m00nie Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 And season over? If we win the next three games we'll be either in or at the brink of the play-offs. We'd have killed for that under Rob Kelly. Be positive. IF.. and then can you guarantee ALL the other teams will drop there points then ??
Jaspa Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 We carnt say for sure, that the people in charge of appointing Nige really had getting promoted this season as a realistic target. Considering our situation at the time. The real question I've been asking myself, is if our squad is actually right to be in the Prem next season, going on what we've seen; I don't think we are. Pearson is the right man for our predicement, and I think we will go up next year. Unless something major happens
halferowley2 Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 Sven had to leave he had spent a lot of money and had no doubt persuaded the owners that he could buy a team (and a pitch or two) to take us into the premier I suspect Pearson told them he would do his best to build a team that could take us into the premier. Why should Pearson be sacked he is still building a team, and anyway we might just do it this season with a fair wind and the rub of the green - who knows.
shen Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 I repeat, if we'd averaged the same points per game all season as we have under Pearson, we'd be in the play-offs tonight. And trimmed away the occasional brilliance we had under Sven? For every Derby County classic under Sven, there's a Norwich City under Pearson. Don't be daft. We'd be in 8th place on GD, so no we wouldn't be in the playoffs. Any more ifs, buts or pointless speculations?
blueharmie Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 If you wan Pearson out your a twat. That Is all.
THEFATBASTARD Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 So could I, but our opinions were very limited today with what we could do. Other than Schlupp there was nothing on the bench to change the situation. Yeah king is there but we felt light in the middle as it was and he would only have made that worse IMO. I couldn't see where the bench would improve us or change things beyond Schlupp. When you are missing Wellens, Danns, Gallagher, Vassell, Waghorn you lose a lot of options to change formation etc, whether you like or loathe them, you lose options in personell and formations. It wasn't an easy one today and we started with a striker out wide, and a winger and CB in midfield. these are the nights top managers earn their corn, there was enough there to have won that game, either tactically or personel wise, IMO.
dave the caveman Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 I repeat, if we'd averaged the same points per game all season as we have under Pearson, we'd be in the play-offs tonight. We'd be on 60 points so 8th on goal difference. 8th might be good enough for you but it's not for me and I doubt it will be good enough for the Thai's. People say you can't buy success but actually you can, as long as you have the right manager. With the right manager we'd be top of the league with the amount of money we've spent, so suggesting 8th place form is anything close to good enough is rather unambitious. If Pearson can't deliver us top-3 then he's not the right man.
Babylon Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 these are the nights top managers earn their corn, there was enough there to have won that game, either tactically or personel wise, IMO. Such as? Who, how and when should we have changed things do you think? They were third in the form tables and decided to park the bus from about 20 minutes onwards, and we had a make shift team!
Babylon Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 We'd be on 60 points so 8th on goal difference. 8th might be good enough for you but it's not for me and I doubt it will be good enough for the Thai's. People say you can't buy success but actually you can, as long as you have the right manager. With the right manager we'd be top of the league with the amount of money we've spent, so suggesting 8th place form is anything close to good enough is rather unambitious. If Pearson can't deliver us top-3 then he's not the right man. Shame it wasn't Pearson who spent about £20m over the two seasons then.
THEFATBASTARD Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 Such as? Who, how and when should we have changed things do you think? They were third in the form tables and decided to park the bus from about 20 minutes onwards, and we had a make shift team! why not play three up front? (schlupp) from the start ? if king was fit enough for the bench, why not give him the last 20mins? the game is about opinions, but to just say that the forest defence was a brickwall we could not penetrate (my favourite word) is just pathetic..they are shite imo..
mitch_lcfc_1993 Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 To say Pearson is failing? I honestly don't know what the answer is, 1st of all Sven should never have been sacked, however pearson failing? we are still in the same position we were upon him taking over for the Crystal Palace home game (4 points from the play-offs). The reason for pearson failing (if you can say that he is) is due to the fact he is working with a squad of high ego players, if he had been in charge and we had never had sven in charge then we wouldn't have the likes of Mills/Beckford etc. he would of signed decent players but he would have got the best out of them, just look at his signing of Marshall, he is starting to shine under pearson, something which surely if marshall was playing like that at stoke he would not have been sold? there is no doubt pearson is a quality manager and will 1 day take lcfc to the prem, assuming that he does not get sacked in the summer, hopefully the owners realise it was going to be hard for him to get us promoted and hopefully they will stick by him. he won't spend big in the summer like sven did, he will bring players in that he can manage and get the best out of! KEEP PEARSON & KEEP THE FAITH!!
FantasticMrFox Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 I was a big fan of Sven and was originally a bit reluctant to go with NPs's "negative" tactics, but he has won me round. He is top class, top drawer and given the appropriate time required (like Sven should have been :-)), we will get there, to the Premier League, where we will fail spectacularly (without another huge influx of ££££££ (or Thai Baht))!! C'mon Leicester!!!
Leicester_lad_92 Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 We didn't play 'badly' tonight just probably weren't quick enough at times to get past their bus they parked on the edge-.- On a positive note we're building under Nigel again with some good young hungry players, Marshall seems to be growing with confidence with every game, i think with a full summer together and a few tweaks here and there hopefully we can go again next year with Nigel for a full season :city: Lcfc<3
Jimmy Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 we won't spend shit loads as Pearson won't want to, so the approach won't be the same, also last summer we NEEDED to sign loads of players as we only had about 8 senior pros at the club, now we need 3 maybe 4 signings at most to mount a challenge
Grewks Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 Pearson has failed with what exactly? To achieve promotion with a team with 'over ambitious' expectations, with the current squad?? Look at West Ham for instance, although third they have many past premier league regulars, noble, green, cole, nolan, faye etc. We dont. Neither do we have squad based around consistency, e.g. reading and southampton. The reason why we are not top 3 - we are in a transitional period, we do not own a premier league/ consistent squad, such as the teams in the top three, and therefore there was no realistic chance...... Hopefully we do a QPR
Guest Col city fan Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 I don't feel worried at all. Ive got a pretty good idea who I think he'll get rid of and the type of player he will sign. This season has been prob the weirdest for some years but you can see already he's starting to undo some of the errors that Sousa and Sven made. Morgan, Drinky, Marshall are all gonna be good stuff. Don't be too surprised if some of the players you don't expect to leave do though. IMO.
Grewks Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 I don't feel worried at all. Ive got a pretty good idea who I think he'll get rid of and the type of player he will sign. This season has been prob the weirdest for some years but you can see already he's starting to undo some of the errors that Sousa and Sven made. Morgan, Drinky, Marshall are all gonna be good stuff. Don't be too surprised if some of the players you don't expect to leave do though. IMO. do you hope beckford goes?? i believe we can get in two decent stikers (one as a target man) for the wage and transfer fee.
inckley fox Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 We'd be on 60 points so 8th on goal difference. 8th might be good enough for you but it's not for me and I doubt it will be good enough for the Thai's. People say you can't buy success but actually you can, as long as you have the right manager. With the right manager we'd be top of the league with the amount of money we've spent, so suggesting 8th place form is anything close to good enough is rather unambitious. If Pearson can't deliver us top-3 then he's not the right man. Okay, on closer analysis - if you include the +12 goal difference we'd have had Pearson been in charge all season, we'd be in 7th place, but on equal points with 6th and on better goal difference than 4th and 5th, and a point or two off. To be honest, no, I wouldn't be all that heartbroken were we to find ourselves in that position this time next season. And I doubt Pearson would be fired on the Wednesday morning after a late-March draw with Forest, whether or not the board preferred the idea of being 1st-3rd, as you put it, in the table. Maybe I'm unambitious, but then again, maybe you aren't being realistic. Either way, it looks a lot better than down in 13th place - which is where Sven left us - or lower still, as we were when Pearson took charge. And if we dare be so bold as to actually say something positive about Pearson's record, then maybe we should look at the 24 points he's won in the 15 games since Christmas. Extrapolate that over the whole season and we'd be 4th. Or maybe it makes more sense to just fire him.
Jimmy Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 do you hope beckford goes?? i believe we can get in two decent stikers (one as a target man) for the wage and transfer fee. you're an idiot, there isn't a single team in this league that would take Beckford if available he had a terrible start to the season, came plainly unfit and struggled as a result yet has 14 goals, given a full pre-season he'll back 2 next season easy
cc_star Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 The owners have said no pressure, they just want to be up in the next few years, what's changed? It's not like he's signed 20 players probably costing £15m+ & on wages of £40k/wk is it? He's made only 2 signings which will be a key part of the team next year & 3 or 4 more in the summer should see us right. There's some discontent to get rid of too + injuries & suspensions. I don't think we'll get prompted but for those that do we're in a good run, 4pts off the playoffs with 21 to play for. This thread on the back of 4 home wins prior to tonight (best run for 10 years) & when we've got 1 fit midfielder available thanks to Danns' recklessness is ridiculous. Delusions of grandeur & entitlement.
inckley fox Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 IF.. and then can you guarantee ALL the other teams will drop there points then ?? Well, we're not nine points off the play-offs, we're four points off. So in saying 'if we win the next three' I've obviously taken that into consideration, haven't I? Please think about what you're saying. Jesus.
Guest Col city fan Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 do you hope beckford goes?? i believe we can get in two decent stikers (one as a target man) for the wage and transfer fee. It makes absolutely no difference what I think. I'm not the manager. What I do believe however is that Pearsons value of a player is about more than sheer ability alone. This is merely a hunch on my part but I think he particularly likes players with what he perceives to be the right attitude, that graft, that don't consider themselves to possibly be better than they really are. His comments about Mills this evening were funny IMO but also gave a strong indication of how he felt. Mills, for one, I think will be gone and I suspect others may well follow. I could be wrong of course. The point I guess I'm making is that some of the players some fans want to keep may well not be the same ones that Pearson does.
FantasticMrFox Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 Mills is dead in the water. I heard it straight from his brother, Quincer
inckley fox Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 It makes absolutely no difference what I think. I'm not the manager. What I do believe however is that Pearsons value of a player is about more than sheer ability alone. This is merely a hunch on my part but I think he particularly likes players with what he perceives to be the right attitude, that graft, that don't consider themselves to possibly be better than they really are. His comments about Mills this evening were funny IMO but also gave a strong indication of how he felt. Mills, for one, I think will be gone and I suspect others may well follow. I could be wrong of course. The point I guess I'm making is that some of the players some fans want to keep may well not be the same ones that Pearson does. His valuation of a player is, I agree, more about attitude than it is about ability. We saw that with Gradel. On top of that, we can't look at everything in terms of 'he's banged in a few goals so we needn't worry about him'. The same has gone for Hume, Connolly, Kitson, Kelly, Lowe... as far as you wish to go back, there have been players who score goals - and look pretty decent - but who never feature in a successful City team. Fans' favourites, at City at least, are notoriously not good enough. Look at some of the past candidates - we all (me included) loved Rooster Russell, Tommy Wright, Ali Mauchlen, Joey Gudjonsson... but quite often they're called cult heroes because the majority of sane people understand that they're not really very good! So it could be anyone who goes. Unless we make the play-offs they all have a share of the blame, and their jobs are all on the line.
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