Burmesefox Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 very true, how bringing schlup and howard on was supposed to get us a goal i do not know, neither have a real proven goal scoring ability, and neither are match fit imo. We have to develop a better plan b than throwong long balls up to stevie and hopeing the strikers read where his flicks are going. Schlupp and Howard was actually a decent substitution on paper. Schlupp is strong, fast and direct - something we required as defensively they were very strong and disciplined last night. Howard (I am not a fan of at all) - was required to win something in the air as we must have crossed the ball into the box in the region of 30 times without winning a ball just about. Having those two in the mix was the logical change as we weren't getting anything out of them at all.
whoareyaaa Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 Dyer should of burried his chance great ball from Beckford that and the Marshall shot are the only real chances we had.
Happy Fox Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 Imo it is the owners who have failed or not been tactful with their money, the spending levels last summer, could have major repercussions if we don't go up next year, and that in itself will cause more pressure on NP to deliver promotion, by all means we all want promotion but if it too negate the club's very existence I would much rather we take a measured approach and build a side to go up i.e take at least 2-3 seasons than promotion.
m00nie Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 Imo it is the owners who have failed or not been tactful with their money, the spending levels last summer, could have major repercussions if we don't go up next year, and that in itself will cause more pressure on NP to deliver promotion, by all means we all want promotion but if it too negate the club's very existence I would much rather we take a measured approach and build a side to go up i.e take at least 2-3 seasons than promotion. yea how dare the owners come here and invest money..
Happy Fox Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 yea how dare the owners come here and invest money.. Money? not their money it is all a loan which we have to pay back £53m in total.... a gamble is it not on the club's very existence? and also it is absolutely imperative we go up next year otherwise FFP will not be so good, with point deductions etc.
m00nie Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 Money? not their money it is all a loan which we have to pay back £53m in total.... a gamble is it not on the club's very existence? and also it is absolutely imperative we go up next year otherwise FFP will not be so good, with point deductions etc. oh sorry didnt realise you had seen the books Does FFP not start gradually from next year either ?? with no doubt ways and means to push boundaries for a while..
cc_star Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 yea how dare the owners come here and invest money.. What money of theirs have the invested? They've (effectively) taken a mortgage out against the club.
m00nie Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 What money of theirs have the invested? They've (effectively) taken a mortgage out against the club. so theres no financial risk for the thais??
foxfanazer Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 Not at all imo. Brave decision by him to come back, e could've quite easily stayed at hull where he was doing a decent job. He knew it wouldn't be easy an it hasn't been but I feel we have the right man for the job. Deserves another season without a doubt
dave the caveman Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 You mean Yuki Abe who did little under anyone and wanted to go home? You mean Fernandes who stated the moment Sven went he wanted to go and had no intention of staying here? You mean "fat" Johnson who barely even played under Sven has hasn't done anything since about 3 years ago? Mills who has lived up to the billing the Reading fans gave him of not being very good and having an attitude problem? Beckford seems to be playing better than he was under the previous manager, so I'm not sure what evidence there is to show he's not playing for Pearson. And i'm not even sure where the Kasper stuff comes from. As for Gradel, he was a kid we were near the top of the championship and he went on loan to get some games. He went to a team a league below us and even they didn't start him that often in his first season there, mostly appearing from the bench for the main part. You don't need names to get promoted, you need a team. Just like Norwich and Swansea. Excuses like being fat and not wanting to be here don't exactly disprove my point that Pearson can't manage them though, does it? Especially when they go on to play well in other teams. Fact is that Pearson has no track record of managing big name players, and he seems to have fallen out, failed to get the best out of or not impressed nearly every player who is close to a big name at Leicester. We might be able to sneak through the play offs with a team full of relative unknowns but if we reach the premiership we are going to need to better players, and that means Pearson is going to need to learn to deal with them. The ability to deal with ridiculous ego's is a big part of modern management whether you like it or not.
Babylon Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 Excuses like being fat and not wanting to be here don't exactly disprove my point that Pearson can't manage them though, does it? How on earth can a manager get the best out of players who have categorically stated they do not want to be at the football club? I don't even need to disprove something that you haven't even proved, you've come up with some clap trap about not managing people who obviously weren't happy before he even arrived. Especially when they go on to play well in other teams. Who would that be then? Fact is that Pearson has no track record of managing big name players Sven did though and he achieved the square root of feck all, so what's your point? he seems to have fallen out, failed to get the best out of or not impressed nearly every player who is close to a big name at Leicester. What on earth are you talking about, are you just making stuff up. Who has he "not impressed", who is he "not getting the best out of", because if you mean Beckford his form started to improve with Pearsons arrival and has a recent goalscoring streak to match most strikers in the division. As for the "fallings out" you don't have a clue what has or hasn't gone on do you? We might be able to sneak through the play offs with a team full of relative unknowns but if we reach the premiership we are going to need to better players, and that means Pearson is going to need to learn to deal with them. The ability to deal with ridiculous ego's is a big part of modern management whether you like it or not. Dealing with an ego and choosing not to have a disruptive influence are two different things. He and Walsh have stated several times that they sign players with the correct mentally and research their character as much as they do their play. He wouldn't even sign a billy big bollocks. And plenty of teams manage in the premier without signing some skillful nob head.
Simmo86 Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 Another joke thread but to be expected really....... You've got people on here slamming Nige for his tactics last night when on Saturday he was a bloody genius! Last night IMO wasn't all that bad tactically wise, it was always going to be tough against them parking the bus. I lost count the number of times we got into decent positions last night only to be let down by a shocking final ball. Last was down to individual errors rather than the manager, anybody who can't see we're a better side since he took over need their head testing!
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 Pearson! Bloody useless bag of manure. Totally bloody clueless.
dave the caveman Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 What on earth are you talking about, are you just making stuff up. Who has he "not impressed", who is he "not getting the best out of", because if you mean Beckford his form started to improve with Pearsons arrival and has a recent goalscoring streak to match most strikers in the division. As for the "fallings out" you don't have a clue what has or hasn't gone on do you? No and neither do you. All we know is that a number of players couldn't wait to get out of the door as soon as Pearson arrived. We can't say much for certain about that, but it wasn't exactly a glowing endorsement. Dealing with an ego and choosing not to have a disruptive influence are two different things. He and Walsh have stated several times that they sign players with the correct mentally and research their character as much as they do their play. He wouldn't even sign a billy big bollocks. And plenty of teams manage in the premier without signing some skillful nob head. I hope you're right, but I fear that you are wrong. That's all.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 29 March 2012 Posted 29 March 2012 Not at all imo. Brave decision by him to come back, e could've quite easily stayed at hull where he was doing a decent job. He knew it wouldn't be easy an it hasn't been but I feel we have the right man for the job. Deserves another season without a doubt The reason he came here, was that his salary doubled! "Brave", does not come in to the equation. lol
MrSpaM Posted 29 March 2012 Posted 29 March 2012 No and neither do you. All we know is that a number of players couldn't wait to get out of the door as soon as Pearson arrived. I'd hardly call Fernandez a number of players. Abe left for family reasons, and Johnson was just fat. Who else has left?
Babylon Posted 29 March 2012 Posted 29 March 2012 No and neither do you. All we know is that a number of players couldn't wait to get out of the door as soon as Pearson arrived. We can't say much for certain about that, but it wasn't exactly a glowing endorsement. Actually the Fernandez interview was in foreign press about 3 or 4 days before Pearson even returned from Hull. He made it quite clear he signed for Sven and Sven only to return a favour, not for the club. And that with Sven going he wanted to leave.
inckley fox Posted 30 March 2012 Posted 30 March 2012 Excuses like being fat and not wanting to be here don't exactly disprove my point that Pearson can't manage them though, does it? Especially when they go on to play well in other teams. Fact is that Pearson has no track record of managing big name players, and he seems to have fallen out, failed to get the best out of or not impressed nearly every player who is close to a big name at Leicester. We might be able to sneak through the play offs with a team full of relative unknowns but if we reach the premiership we are going to need to better players, and that means Pearson is going to need to learn to deal with them. The ability to deal with ridiculous ego's is a big part of modern management whether you like it or not. Come on, think what you're saying! You're suggesting that Michael Johnson being fat (which he has been for four years under three different managers at Man City) and Gelson Fernandes wanting to leave Leicester (which he'd declared before Pearson joined the club) are both down to NP. If you feel Sven needed longer then that's a fair point. Maybe he would have done better than NP with this set of players. The fact is that he didn't, and Pearson has got better results out of these players. Mills, Fernandes and Johnson played their part in Sven getting the sack; how a fan can have a problem with a subsequent manager marginalising them - and getting better results in the process - is beyond me. Looking at your posts, 50% of what you're saying is right - that there are major problems with the squad - and I know plenty of fans who seem to think that this is the best squad we've ever assembled, which clearly isn't the case. So I'm with you there. Yet the other 50%, which squarely blames that on Pearson, doesn't even get off the ground. Sven expensively assembled a set of players who under-performed badly for him; but under Pearson - who has sidelined a bit of the excess baggage - they have, save for goal-difference, averaged play-off form. If we were in 17th or 18th place now it'd STILL be unfair to blame the predicament on a manager who's only been in charge for four months. As it happens, we're doing rather better. If you feel Sven needed longer; or that these players aren't good enough, then you've got a point, but in blaming it all on Pearson you totally undermine the argument. Put simply, it makes you wrong.
foxfanazer Posted 30 March 2012 Posted 30 March 2012 The reason he came here, was that his salary doubled! "Brave", does not come in to the equation. lol Ok I agree to a certain degree but how long we tend to give managers makes this club a risk surely. Just say for example he was on 20k a week at hull (I don't have a clue what he was/is in really) he didn't ever look like getting sacked there so he would've had that money for as long as he wanted really, and if he did well would've asked for more money. Here he may have doubled his wages but the "life expectancy" of the job is far less which could see him losing out on money in the end
Happy Fox Posted 30 March 2012 Posted 30 March 2012 Ok I agree to a certain degree but how long we tend to give managers makes this club a risk surely. Just say for example he was on 20k a week at hull (I don't have a clue what he was/is in really) he didn't ever look like getting sacked there so he would've had that money for as long as he wanted really, and if he did well would've asked for more money. Here he may have doubled his wages but the "life expectancy" of the job is far less which could see him losing out on money in the end Also the fact he gets a £1m bonus if he gets us promoted..
dog_4 Posted 31 March 2012 Posted 31 March 2012 yep! clearing the riff raff from the squad! pre season to get the team to his fitness levels! which lets face it we're clearly not compared to when he was here last time round. We have the squad but not the 110% fitness levels! get that and we'll have a team running the extra mile blocking the extra balls,making those last mins runs! creating more goals and preventing them! come on city!
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 31 March 2012 Posted 31 March 2012 yep! clearing the riff raff from the squad! pre season to get the team to his fitness levels! which lets face it we're clearly not compared to when he was here last time round. We have the squad but not the 110% fitness levels! get that and we'll have a team running the extra mile blocking the extra balls,making those last mins runs! creating more goals and preventing them! come on city! A very good point.
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