Guest Col city fan Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 His valuation of a player is, I agree, more about attitude than it is about ability. We saw that with Gradel. On top of that, we can't look at everything in terms of 'he's banged in a few goals so we needn't worry about him'. The same has gone for Hume, Connolly, Kitson, Kelly, Lowe... as far as you wish to go back, there have been players who score goals - and look pretty decent - but who never feature in a successful City team. Fans' favourites, at City at least, are notoriously not good enough. Look at some of the past candidates - we all (me included) loved Rooster Russell, Tommy Wright, Ali Mauchlen, Joey Gudjonsson... but quite often they're called cult heroes because the majority of sane people understand that they're not really very good! So it could be anyone who goes. Unless we make the play-offs they all have a share of the blame, and their jobs are all on the line. Top stuff... Although how dare you say anything about ooooooh Tommy Wright? He WAS the dogs bollox! See, now even im doing it!
m00nie Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 Well, we're not nine points off the play-offs, we're four points off. So in saying 'if we win the next three' I've obviously taken that into consideration, haven't I? Please think about what you're saying. Jesus. IF we win the 3 games that takes us to 65 points.. not including 1st/2nd/3rd there are another 5 teams that can get past 65 with just 2 wins some just 1..
inckley fox Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 IF we win the 3 games that takes us to 65 points.. not including 1st/2nd/3rd there are another 5 teams that can get past 65 with just 2 wins some just 1.. Yes, I was working on the assumption that not all of them would. And they won't, by the way. So no, we may not be in the play-offs in that unlikely but entirely conceivable scenario, but yes we'd be close. Which is what I was saying in order to illustrate that the season isn't over.
m00nie Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 Yes, I was working on the assumption that not all of them would. And they won't, by the way. So no, we may not be in the play-offs in that unlikely but entirely conceivable scenario, but yes we'd be close. Which is what I was saying in order to illustrate that the season isn't over. well you can base your season not over on the assumption we will win our next 3 and hte others will slip up, il base mine it is on we wont win our next 3 and the others will still pick up points..
iancognito Posted 27 March 2012 Posted 27 March 2012 He's not failed, just not been as successful as we wanted or needed. I'd say that if he keeps his job in the summer, he'll be given the same backing Sven was to get us up and the training ground will have a revolving door on it because short of Kasper, Peltier, Morgan, Nugent and probably King no-one's really safe.
MONreborn Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 I can't see him getting us promoted automatically and that's what the Thais want. Play offs yes but is that good enough for the investment made?
inckley fox Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 well you can base your season not over on the assumption we will win our next 3 and hte others will slip up, il base mine it is on we wont win our next 3 and the others will still pick up points.. Again - and I'm in danger of repeating myself - I'm simply stating that, if a side is to get into the play-offs they have to win three consecutive games at some point. If we do that, then we will be close to the play-offs, if not among them. And, as I've explained, that would give us nine points - not the four points which currently separate us from the play-offs - so I am assuming that other teams WILL pick up points. Just not ALL of them. I'm not sure which part of that is so far-fetched / confusing to you. An example: Birmingham are on 60 points. If they get five points from their next three games, which is more than they've averaged so far this season, then in the event of us winning the next three we'd be level on points with them in 6th/7th, albeit having played a game more. If that happens - and we're not talking about anyone solving the great solar neutrino problem here but rather beating three Championship sides on the trot (which we managed several times with Pearson first time round) - then our season would quite clearly not be over. The season is only over if you assume that we're not good enough to beat teams like Peterborough. I can understand if you do, but it still seems a touch negative to me.
Fox in the North Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 Simple for me. 4 points off the play offs, 7 games to go, still possible I see no reason to think Nigel has failed yet as I think it's way too soon to pass that sort of judgement. He turned us around when we got relegated, he turned Hull around into the possible play off team they are now and I have no doubt he will sort us out again. Maybe not this season, but certainly next season. All we can do now is support the players and keep the faith If we don't go up this season, ah well we've had worse. I'd rather us not get promoted this season so Nigel can sort our problems out over summer which I hope he can.
CKB Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 Feckin eejit! No Pearson has not failed, Jesus H Christ on a rocket to the moon! Give the fella at least a pre-season up till Jan and lets see then shall we? I believe good times are ahead but we must be patient
renards Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 You'd have to say YES Pearson takes over a faltering and underperforming side with questionable tactics and lack of dressing room harmony. We are still as the above although Beckford and Danns seem to be making more effort; outside of that we are still poorer than previously. Obviously we could only ever dream of a MON return, I guess what he has done with Sunderland with their limited ability would be classed as success not failure. NP has made less impact than he did during his last spell, possibly as he is now dealing with more over paid/ over rated players that are guaranteed of becoming unbelievably rich regardless of performance and results. Could ol’ Nig himself have fallen into that category?
teblin Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 The club failed by allowing him to leave in the first place. We'd have most probably made the play offs at least last season and would be higher this season as he'd have built a team over 3 years not 6 months. We need to stick with Nigel and we will be a lot better off this time next year, who knows we might win the last 7 games. (I don't think we will mind you)
Mack Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 Pearson is doing an excellent job in my opinion. Last night was frustrating, but we are quietly creeping up the table and you still never know.
muzzy1981 Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 He has done a good job so far. Although I do feel with some on here see him as a god already, but in truth he hasn't put together a squad yet worthy of promotion to the prem. Next season will define whether Pearson is going to be a top manager and if he isn't then let's find one! But yes deffo needs a full season just like sven deserved.
strattylcfc Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 What a stupid thread he won't get sacked he will be here next season and im glad he will be here next season get over it
RumbleFox Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 I cannot seriously believe any fans would want him to leave. We really do have some mongdoobers at this club. He got us promoted from the First Division in our first season down there. "yer but Rumble like, it's tha first div innit? It's easeh!". Just fvck right off! It is not easy neither is reaching the play offs in our first season back in the Championship. He is a great manager and a winner, you can just sense it. He has an aura that cannot be denied. We are still inconsistant and OK, I hoped he did better than he has but there are signs of a squad and a TEAM coming together. That's four wins and a draw in our last five home games. Maybe he could have turned things round quicker but there has been a definite improvement in recent weeks and I truly believe if we stick with him we will have a TEAM next year that is challenging for promotion and which we are proud of. So just fvck off and support someone else if all you want to do is moan about a good, honest manager. Up the Foxes! X Oh and PS, I bet he has a serious dong going on! Foot long at least.
AyewJoking Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 Pearson remains one of the better managers at this level but no one can deny he has "failed" this time. The players have failed too. Sven aswell. One big failure of a season.
dave the caveman Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 Okay, on closer analysis - if you include the +12 goal difference we'd have had Pearson been in charge all season, we'd be in 7th place, but on equal points with 6th and on better goal difference than 4th and 5th, and a point or two off. To be honest, no, I wouldn't be all that heartbroken were we to find ourselves in that position this time next season. And I doubt Pearson would be fired on the Wednesday morning after a late-March draw with Forest, whether or not the board preferred the idea of being 1st-3rd, as you put it, in the table. Maybe I'm unambitious, but then again, maybe you aren't being realistic. Either way, it looks a lot better than down in 13th place - which is where Sven left us - or lower still, as we were when Pearson took charge. And if we dare be so bold as to actually say something positive about Pearson's record, then maybe we should look at the 24 points he's won in the 15 games since Christmas. Extrapolate that over the whole season and we'd be 4th. Or maybe it makes more sense to just fire him. I can't begin to understand why you'd be happy with 8th place given our financial firepower, but you make a good point about form since christmas. Like I said before I like np, I just have concerns over his ability to manage high quality and thus big ego players. His style is more about being the plucky little underdogs with the great team spirit. This is brilliant when you've got no money, but what a waste when for the first time in our history we have the funds to bring in genuine quality.
Guest Col city fan Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 I can't begin to understand why you'd be happy with 8th place given our financial firepower, but you make a good point about form since christmas. Like I said before I like np, I just have concerns over his ability to manage high quality and thus big ego players. His style is more about being the plucky little underdogs with the great team spirit. This is brilliant when you've got no money, but what a waste when for the first time in our history we have the funds to bring in genuine quality. Are you honestly suggesting that Matt Mills is 'high quality'? Who else in the squad is even meant to be 'high quality' that Pearson supposedly 'can't manage'? Genuine questions...
whoareyaaa Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 There is no one else I would rather have as manager, I think Nige will get the job done if not this season the most deffenatly next season and the Thais will give him the chance. I think its time we as a club stuck with a manager and see where it takes us theres no point in chopping and changing every single season. plus I like the blokes attitude.
Babylon Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 We really discussing whether a manager has failed or not after 23/24 league games in charge?
Leicester_Loyal Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 We really discussing whether a manager has failed or not after 23/24 league games in charge? This is a Leicester forum. Gosh. What did you expect, sanity?
dave the caveman Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 Are you honestly suggesting that Matt Mills is 'high quality'? Who else in the squad is even meant to be 'high quality' that Pearson supposedly 'can't manage'? Yuki, fernandes, Johnson. Mills is probably not that good but np has failed to get anything out of him. It's debatable whether beckford is really playing for the manager. Gradel. Even kasper's form and attitude has dipped. All good players.
Babylon Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 Yuki, fernandes, Johnson. Mills is probably not that good but np has failed to get anything out of him. It's debatable whether beckford is really playing for the manager. Gradel. Even kasper's form and attitude has dipped. All good players. You mean Yuki Abe who did little under anyone and wanted to go home? You mean Fernandes who stated the moment Sven went he wanted to go and had no intention of staying here? You mean "fat" Johnson who barely even played under Sven has hasn't done anything since about 3 years ago? Mills who has lived up to the billing the Reading fans gave him of not being very good and having an attitude problem? Beckford seems to be playing better than he was under the previous manager, so I'm not sure what evidence there is to show he's not playing for Pearson. And i'm not even sure where the Kasper stuff comes from. As for Gradel, he was a kid we were near the top of the championship and he went on loan to get some games. He went to a team a league below us and even they didn't start him that often in his first season there, mostly appearing from the bench for the main part. You don't need names to get promoted, you need a team. Just like Norwich and Swansea.
Guest Col city fan Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 You mean Yuki Abe who did little under anyone and wanted to go home? You mean Fernandes who stated the moment Sven went he wanted to go and had no intention of staying here? You mean "fat" Johnson who barely even played under Sven has hasn't done anything since about 3 years ago? Mills who has lived up to the billing the Reading fans gave him of not being very good and having an attitude problem? Beckford seems to be playing better than he was under the previous manager, so I'm not sure what evidence there is to show he's not playing for Pearson. And i'm not even sure where the Kasper stuff comes from. As for Gradel, he was a kid we were near the top of the championship and he went on loan to get some games. He went to a team a league below us and even they didn't start him that often in his first season there, mostly appearing from the bench for the main part. You don't need names to get promoted, you need a team. Just like Norwich and Swansea. I don't need to add anymore to that. And the final sentence is soooooo true.
MPH Posted 28 March 2012 Posted 28 March 2012 The failure is that they sacked him in the first place and undid all his great work on the small-ish budget he had. The other failure is then to employee him and expect him to change the philosophy in 1/2 a season that the two previous managers had instilled in the squad in the previous two - and to change the mentality of certain players who thought they were all bill big balls with their huge wages. This thread topic has been said before so the obvious answe has to be stated before... If we had just stuck with him and given him the backing Paulo and Sven were given...
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