Not a Normal Killing

[Charl91]

Let me re-word. I do not mean that people of Asian ethnicity are not civilised. I only meant that people living in Asia aren't as civilised as the west. That's a fact as well, not racism. India is getting there, so is China; but the majority of the middle east is still uncivilised.

Your assumption that western culture is civilised and eastern culture isn't is very naive. Edward Said is probably turning in his grave.

[FoxyPV]

Your assumption that western culture is civilised and eastern culture isn't is very naive. Edward Said is probably turning in his grave.

Responding to a troll

[Charl91]

I'm very hypocritical when it comes to killing. I'l happily eat meat, yet I hate the killing of anything (I can't even kill a wasp, let alone mammals). I'v come to accept that I need to eat meat to survive (I couldn't live as a veggy, I don't eat veg or fruit....), but I'm very against unnecessary killing, and I try to buy free-range produce

Responding to a troll

I took the bait

[Raw Dykes]

What use would a sheep be to a farmer if he had to use the grazing land as crops? They can't be kept as pets. Well not a whole flock of them in one living room.

Exactly. It's true to say that the meat industry is responsible for giving countless sheep, pigs, cows and chickens a life they otherwise would never have had in the first place. Granted, some are treated badly, but then can a hen caged for life really know how bad it's life is, if it has nothing to compare it to? I am playing devil's advocate a bit, but there is some truth in my first point. Surely, it's better to have lived and then ended up a burger, than to have never lived at all.

[Rincewind]

There are not many veggie options I like. I am not a big lover of beans. I fiddle with the beans in chilli-con-carne and sometimes leave them at the side. I don't mind pasta but I see pasta as an accompanment to meat dishes. Cheese and tomato pizza maybe but bland. There are veggie sausage bacon etc but you pay over the odds for them but i have not tasted many to compare. Not had much soya mince which would be OK for stews etc.

Today I had a sort of beef Byrani as it was Good Friday and I'm non -religious

I see veggie meaks as a side dish.

[OzFox]

So killing for musical intolerance isn't normal then?

Only when it's rap, hip hop or Rick Astley

[ozleicester]

Exactly. It's true to say that the meat industry is responsible for giving countless sheep, pigs, cows and chickens a life they otherwise would never have had in the first place. Granted, some are treated badly, but then can a hen caged for life really know how bad it's life is, if it has nothing to compare it to? I am playing devil's advocate a bit, but there is some truth in my first point. Surely, it's better to have lived and then ended up a burger, than to have never lived at all.

Am i missing something have you become a troll? because this is without doubt one of the stupidest statements i have ever read. read that last line again and apply it to anything other than a meat animal and then see if you can honestly think its a fair comment.

There are not many veggie options I like. I am not a big lover of beans. I fiddle with the beans in chilli-con-carne and sometimes leave them at the side. I don't mind pasta but I see pasta as an accompanment to meat dishes. Cheese and tomato pizza maybe but bland. There are veggie sausage bacon etc but you pay over the odds for them but i have not tasted many to compare. Not had much soya mince which would be OK for stews etc.

Today I had a sort of beef Byrani as it was Good Friday and I'm non -religious

I see veggie meaks as a side dish.

try any Quorn products, tasty, flavoursome and cruelty free.

[OzFox]

i think the general understanding is killing for food/survival is sort of acceptable or "normal" , but for sport, vanity , or solely for a part of the animal ( tusk , horn etc) it's not , but I don't think there can be a hard and fast rule to suit everyone.

I think in the context of the article "normal" refered to levels of poaching that they were used to in that part of Africa. Recently, it's accelerated as demand has grown from Asia.

“This killing is not a normal one,” he said, “In the past poachers were selective, but now no more—they kill whole elephant families and take even the tiniest ivory.” The high demand for ivory motivates the poachers to kill quickly and indiscriminately. Kikoti believes that, at this rate, elephants will largely disappear from the African continent within five years.

Scary stuff. The really perverse thing is that the rarer the animal becomes, the more valuable it is to collectors. Tuna is a good example. One bluefin sold for almost half a million pounds in a Tokyo market last year. One fish!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-16421231

[Zingari]

I think in the context of the article "normal" refered to levels of poaching that they were used to in that part of Africa. Recently, it's accelerated as demand has grown from Asia.

“This killing is not a normal one,” he said, “In the past poachers were selective, but now no more—they kill whole elephant families and take even the tiniest ivory.” The high demand for ivory motivates the poachers to kill quickly and indiscriminately. Kikoti believes that, at this rate, elephants will largely disappear from the African continent within five years.

Scary stuff. The really perverse thing is that the rarer the animal becomes, the more valuable it is to collectors. Tuna is a good example. One bluefin sold for almost half a million pounds in a Tokyo market last year. One fish!

http://www.bbc.co.uk...acific-16421231

Ah , I stand corrected in this context but I'd still maintain that only killing for food or survival can be considered in any way "normal" .

[I am Rod Hull]

try any Quorn products, tasty, flavoursome and cruelty free.

You`ve got to be kidding, right?

[OzFox]

Ah , I stand corrected in this context but I'd still maintain that only killing for food or survival can be considered in any way "normal" .

Yep. Too many people doing it for fun or profit. Tossers.

[Rincewind]

I bought some pot plants from Wilkinsons (3 for 2) for my windowsill (I'm in a 1st floor flat) Basil, Chives and oregano. Not really sure how well they will grow. Bought them on the day it pssd it down so they had plenty of water. Not a gardener but they have all year round planting on them.

Others I looked at were peppers and onions but they had got Feb-april on them so don't know if they would be OK. Got space for about 3 more pots in the container and if I can get it to stay on the windersill room for another container.

When will I start to see a result?

[Raw Dykes]

Exactly. It's true to say that the meat industry is responsible for giving countless sheep, pigs, cows and chickens a life they otherwise would never have had in the first place. Granted, some are treated badly, but then can a hen caged for life really know how bad it's life is, if it has nothing to compare it to? I am playing devil's advocate a bit, but there is some truth in my first point. Surely, it's better to have lived and then ended up a burger, than to have never lived at all.

Am i missing something have you become a troll? because this is without doubt one of the stupidest statements i have ever read. read that last line again and apply it to anything other than a meat animal and then see if you can honestly think its a fair comment.

Christ! Lighten up, mate! It was clearly tongue in cheek. I even said I was playing devil's advocate. Did you read the whole thing, or do you just like to pick out bits of text to get foaming at the mouth over? I still don't see what's stupid about it, anyway. Would you rather live your life, and when you die, your flesh is eaten, or never have been born in the first place and experience nothing at all?

Explain to me what is stupid about that.

try any Quorn products, tasty, flavoursome and cruelty free.

I was wondering whether you'd had your sense of humour surgically bypassed, but this is evidence you haven't.

[Rincewind]

If quorn, veggie saugage, bacon etc had a similar taste at a lower price I would consider on having it. I love pastas and in the winter stews so maybe quorn mixed in with herbs and spices would not be so bad but as I do not have any strong views against eating meat I shall carry on. Just me stopping will not stop it being produced and animals reared for the sole purpose of feeding us.

[FoxyPV]

try any Quorn products, tasty, flavoursome and cruelty free.

Quorn is vile. The meatfree range at Tesco is much better.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

This makes me feel truly sick. I would love to get my hands on the evil cruel bastards that do this. F------ scum.

[I am Rod Hull]

Quorn is vile. The meatfree range at Tesco is much better.

I agree, I`m not a veggie but i`v had Quorn and its not too good. Why people use it is beyond me....

Taste does not come from pretend meat...

[Charl91]

Would you rather live your life, and when you die, your flesh is eaten, or never have been born in the first place and experience nothing at all?

I'd probably guess that not living would be better, if the quality of your life is that bad. Hence why people choose to commit suicide when they have a degenerative illness; they clearly find it better to end it rather then live a life of suffering.

[dave the caveman]

Comphrehensive article. I wouldn't class it as a particularly important issue personally, but it's good to know there are people out there willing to devote their time to trying to stop it. It's clearly just a case of keeping on raising the issue through articles such as this and continuing to apply pressure on the right people and eventually the necessary education will filter through to the consumers who will change their mindset and thus the demand for the practice will cease.

Meanwhile, I will continue to eat meat without a trace of guilt. Go figure. I guess i'm just an animal.

[Trav Le Bleu]

The whole thing with quorn is this...

If you don't want to eat meat, then why do you want to eat something that's "supposed" to taste like/have the texture of meat (it doesn't).

If you like veg, fine, eat veg - just don't try and convince other people that there's such a thing as meat substitute.

[OzFox]

Comphrehensive article. I wouldn't class it as a particularly important issue personally, but it's good to know there are people out there willing to devote their time to trying to stop it. It's clearly just a case of keeping on raising the issue through articles such as this and continuing to apply pressure on the right people and eventually the necessary education will filter through to the consumers who will change their mindset and thus the demand for the practice will cease.

Meanwhile, I will continue to eat meat without a trace of guilt. Go figure. I guess i'm just an animal.

It's a nice thought, but it hasn't helped tuna for instance. How many people are careful what brand they buy? The only thing that changes consumers behaviour is when supply dries up or the price skyrockets

[Daggers]

The only thing that changes consumers behaviour is when supply dries up or the price skyrockets

Not quite - there's many other factors

Being linked to Tories really kills off sales.

[dave the caveman]

The only thing that changes consumers behaviour is when supply dries up or the price skyrockets

That's not true.

[OzFox]

That's not true.

When it comes to endangered animals, it takes something on the scale of the Nestle campaign to achieve anything, or bombing around in little boats like Sea Shepherd. Even after that Kitcat/palm oil ad, sales actually went up for a while before Nestle were forced to act. Shark finning has been universally condemned for years, yet it's only recently started coming off menus in europe, america, australia. It's often too little, too late.

Generally, not enough people are aware or care. You've admitted yourself you don't think it's important

Being linked to Tories really kills off sales.

Good point. So consumers will change their behaviour when supply dries up, the price skyrockets or they think they're about to be poisoned.

[Daggers]

Consumers will change their buying behaviour as a result of pretty packaging, ad campaigns, lifestyle associations, health benefits, weight loss links, price cuts of alternatives and far more - as long as it is personalised and the benefit is clear to the ignorant consumer.

They won't change because of some nebulous event happening miles away to people/places/animals they haven't met/seen first hand. But form links for them and they'll buy into it. Hell, I used to market & sell product for Satan's own company! People are easily led.