Not a Normal Killing

[Raw Dykes]

Oh so life is only valuable if there isnt much of it

You do realise that we are omnivores? Breeding lots of cows and pigs to eat them is not the same thing as killing endangered animals for a souvenir. What about hitting a wasp with a rolled up newspaper? Is that as bad as sawing a rhino's horn off and leaving it to die in agony?

Next you'll be arguing that euthanasia is the same as homicide. It's all killing people, after all.

[ozleicester]

Really?

Fook.. well thats potatoes off my plate now... Damn you!!

[OzFox]

and then.. we eat them

do you think it would be a good idea to do that if there was only a few left?

You live in Australia. Did you see that 4 Corners about the cattle trade to Indonesia? We pack 'em off to abattoirs where they are lined up and killed one by one. They stand there shivering with fear, watching the cow in front being carved up with a rusty knife and often take ages to die. Not nice.

[ozleicester]

You do realise that we are omnivores? Breeding lots of cows and pigs to eat them is not the same thing as killing endangered animals for a souvenir. What about hitting a wasp with a rolled up newspaper? Is that as bad as sawing a rhino's horn off and leaving it to die in agony?

Next you'll be arguing that euthanasia is the same as homicide. It's all killing people, after all.

We have become omnivores, but we can live perfectly healthy lives on veggies only.

Killing something... is killing it, it is the ultimate cruelty.

you do know that the wasp... also is dying in agony

Choice my friend, euthanasia is choice, as long as the cow or pig makes it clear (hitchikers guide style) thjat it wants to have its throat slit and for you to eat it.. ive no problem

[ozleicester]

do you think it would be a good idea to do that if there was only a few left?

You live in Australia. Did you see that 4 Corners about the cattle trade to Indonesia? We pack 'em off to abattoirs where they are lined up and killed one by one. They stand there shivering with fear, watching the cow in front being carved up with a rusty knife and often take ages to die. Not nice.

Horrific and to be fair the same thing is happening in abbatoirs around the world

[Trav Le Bleu]

VEGGIE FASCISM!

You'll notice how Ozleicester's avatar is "saluting"...

[ozleicester]

just trying to discuss the hypocrisy

[Haydos]

just trying to discuss the hypocrisy

Not really hypocrisy though when we've established the two things are nothing alike.

[Trav Le Bleu]

just trying to discuss the hypocrisy

That's how Hitler started.

[ozleicester]

.. by killing things? (he wasnt a veggie by the way

[Trav Le Bleu]

.. by killing things? (he wasnt a veggie by the way

Next you'll be telling me he wasn't German!

Yeah, I know he was Austrian.

[Raw Dykes]

We have become omnivores, but we can live perfectly healthy lives on veggies only.

Killing something... is killing it, it is the ultimate cruelty.

you do know that the wasp... also is dying in agony

Choice my friend, euthanasia is choice, as long as the cow or pig makes it clear (hitchikers guide style) thjat it wants to have its throat slit and for you to eat it.. ive no problem

That's Halal meat, isn't it? I'd rather not eat Halal meat. That's cutting a living creature's throat and letting it's still beating heart pump all the blood out of the still conscious animal's body. It's unnecessarily cruel, and that's the point in question.

Granted, people can get by on a diet that doesn't include other animals, but animals do eat each other. That is life. Is it cruel for a bird to eat a worm? It's natural for us to eat animals, and it's good when the non-halal meat industry reduces suffering by giving animals an instant, pain-free death.

Maybe it is sad that animals have to die to feed other animals, but at least their deaths are not pointless when this happens. One creature dies, but the other is fed. It is totally different to causing an endangered animal a painful death for something as trivial as a trinket.

[Rincewind]

It is bad sometimes how animals are treated but we must not forget that humans treat humans cruely too. There are thousands of children dying every day. If I had to choose I'd save the children.

man has grown to be a hunter and carnivore. It is only since we have become civilized that we care as much or in some cases more for animals.

Meat

Meat is bad for you

Said the young vegan lighting

Up a cigarette

Smoke Rings

Caring parent feeds

Babe takes in food. Pretty

Smoke rings for dessert

The Fox

The fox escapes hounds

Only to kill a chicken

The following day.

Also it has been shown that plants have feelings and actually make a sound when you pull them from the ground. So how would we live if a group came out protesting for the rights of vegetables?

Not making judgments here. I've been around too many years to start getting sentimental to become a veggie. Even if it is better for you I have enjoyed meat for too long and too late to reverse the trend. Damage has been done.

[Daggers]

Bacon.

There is no existence without it.

[The Doctor]

I've never understood why they can't just take skins/furs/horns from animals that die naturally.

Also, as far as ivory/horns are concerned, surely its in the interest of poachers to keep the animal alive, cut off the horn and it'll grow back.

Some people are just dumb.

Can't be done. Ivory in particular - the tusks of elephants are ridiculously strong rooted, it'd take several days to chop it off. Also the tusks contain nerves, the elephant would go ****ing berserk with the pain and kill them all.

Not so sure about rhino horns and the like though.

[Zingari]

Bacon.

There is no existence without it.

I think the actual Bacon quote is ;

"For whatever deserves to exist deserves also to be known, for knowledge is the image of existence, and things mean and splendid exist alike.

[Webbo]

If animals weren't meant to be eaten, why are they made out of meat?

[Zingari]

If animals weren't meant to be eaten, why are they made out of meat?

God put them there to see if we can resist temptation and test our will , just like the fruit of the tree of knowledge

He's always doing stuff like that .

[Daggers]

I think the actual Bacon quote is ;

"For whatever deserves to exist deserves also to be known, for knowledge is the image of existence, and things mean and splendid exist alike.

I adore bacon and Bacon.

Two examples of magnificent meat.

[Rincewind]

God put them there to see if we can resist temptation and test our will , just like the fruit of the tree of knowledge

He's always doing stuff like that .

Well I don't believe in god so I don't believe I've been tempted and my self will is normal. What isn't here to test us?

[Daggers]

What isn't here to test us?

Chicory, spinach and Radio 2

[21st Century Fox]

[ozleicester]

Next you'll be telling me he wasn't German!

Yeah, I know he was Austrian.

That's Halal meat, isn't it? I'd rather not eat Halal meat. That's cutting a living creature's throat and letting it's still beating heart pump all the blood out of the still conscious animal's body. It's unnecessarily cruel, and that's the point in question.

No i wasnt referring to Halal, it happens in many abbatoirs...either way, surely killing something is cruel?

Granted, people can get by on a diet that doesn't include other animals, but animals do eat each other. That is life. Is it cruel for a bird to eat a worm? It's natural for us to eat animals, and it's good when the non-halal meat industry reduces suffering by giving animals an instant, pain-free death.

Do you really believe this??? Im sure you would be happy to know "the animal" that is your relative suffers a pain free death

Maybe it is sad that animals have to die to feed other animals, but at least their deaths are not pointless when this happens. One creature dies, but the other is fed. It is totally different to causing an endangered animal a painful death for something as trivial as a trinket.

well that open to interpretation isnt it... your steak tonight will last and be appreciated for about 20 minutes, at least the trinket lasts forever? less pointless?

It is bad sometimes how animals are treated but we must not forget that humans treat humans cruely too. There are thousands of children dying every day. If I had to choose I'd save the children.

man has grown to be a hunter and carnivore. It is only since we have become civilized that we care as much or in some cases more for animals.

Meat

Meat is bad for you

Said the young vegan lighting

Up a cigarette

Smoke Rings

Caring parent feeds

Babe takes in food. Pretty

Smoke rings for dessert

The Fox

The fox escapes hounds

Only to kill a chicken

The following day.

Also it has been shown that plants have feelings and actually make a sound when you pull them from the ground. So how would we live if a group came out protesting for the rights of vegetables?

This is incorrect, vegetables do not have a central nervous system and have no pain receptors, however if it is proven that they are suffering, and there is an alternative, then i would review my eating habits.

Not making judgments here. I've been around too many years to start getting sentimental to become a veggie. Even if it is better for you I have enjoyed meat for too long and too late to reverse the trend. Damage has been done.

I too am not making judgements, just suggesting that for someone to be sitting at their computer with a hunk of dead animal in their mouth and be judging another seems somewhat hypocritical.

[OzFox]

Not dissing pigs or anything, bit i'm pretty sure that the trade in endangered wildlife to Asia has little to do with bacon.

One glance at this thread makes me think the animal kingdom is even more fvcked than I thought. With any luck we'll soon start eating each other, and I can do my bit for population control. Maybe have a couple of heads mounted on the living room wall. Beckford and Mills?

As an aside, the Aussies have found an innovative use for kangaroo scrotums. They sell them to tourists as bottle openers

[Rincewind]

Watched a program about wolves last night. It was in the USA but forget which state it was, anyway there was lots of hills and snow.

The reporter and the team were following a pack of wolves and one had lost his mate. The team that was monititoring them spoke to farmers and hunters in a nearby town and they said if they came near their livestock they would kill them. One pro-hunter showed pictures of stags killed by wolves and said he wanted to see all wolves wiped out.

My point here is there are different views about wild animals. In the film one side was trying to save what they thought was an endangered animal they others wanted to wipe them out.

With regards to cows, pigs, chickens etc if we did not breed them to eat there would be little space for them as their feilds would be taken up by crops and they would be too expensive to keep. On the whole they do exist in better conditions than they did in the past. Little comfort I know when on the way to a slaughterhouse.

I am against killing animals for ivory fur coats and trophys etc to satisfy the money-grabbing rich Survival yes. Profit and self gratifying no.