Goals from midfield

[RumbleFox]

Good Morning everyone. How the devil are we?

Thought I would write an actual football related post today and not just rant on inanely for three paragraphs about my woeful excuse for a penis (honestly you can barely see it when it's cold. Curse you God for forsaking me so!!).

Anyway, just watched the highlights again from the last two games and I am a jolly excited little chappy. In Marshall, Gallagher (don't cvnting moan about Gallagher anyone. It is boring and pathetic and he has 10 goals from midfield this season so your arguments are also redundant) and now King coming back with have three midfielders all capable of scoring at least 10 goals in a season. Add to that a couple from Dyer and Drinkwater and we have goals all over midfield for the first time in years. I am getting rather excited that we might get into the play offs this season (so much so my wee came out a different colour and my tiny penis tingled) but if we do not I feel really confdent about next season. We could possibly have 30 goals from midfield next season which would take a wee bit of pressure off the front men,

All we need now is some beast like Elliott. Walsh and Taggartesque headers from our defenders and we'll fvcking destroy this league! Come on you Foxes!!!!!!

Anyway, point made so I'm off to bathe my sorry excuse for a donger in saline solution. Not only is it tiny but my word is it rancid.

Oh, and welcome back Andy King. We love you!!

X

[Captain...]

Not to mention Danns' 6 goals so far this season.

[Bluearmyfox28]

Very good point, I remember QPR last year I think their main striker only scored 15 goals but they had players like Tarrabt,Buzacky,Faurlin these realised the stress on the strikers because they all reached double digits!!

Also Danns is settled now so I could also see him scoring double digits next season that means we should have, Gallagher,Marshall,King,Danns all capable of scoring ten or more!!

[James.]

So the question is out of the current squad who would be our first choice midfield assuming everyone is fit? Tough question with King coming back, a promising player in Drinkwater, experienced players like Gallagher and Wellens.

For me Marshall on the right, Dyer on the left and Danns in the middle. Then one of King, Drinkwater and Wellens alongside Danns - in an ideal world an in form King would probably be the best match.

[Finnegan]

Just out of interest, how many of Gallagher's "goals from midfield" were actually direct shots from set pieces?

[Bluearmyfox28]

^^ and penalties

[Captain...]

Only 3 were penalties I think, we have had 4 penalties this season, Danns missed 1, I think Gallagher took the other 3 (Burnley, Ipswich, Cardiff) he got 2 from open play against Palace, Doncaster goal was open play, then there was the freekick against Cardiff, I can't place his other goal.

3 penalties, 1 free kick, 3 from open play 1?

I don't see it as a bad thing to score penalties, look at Danns' piss poor attempt against Cov.

Edit: the other one was against Peterborough at home, also from open play,

So 3 penalties, 1 free kick and 4 from open play.

[RumbleFox]

Just out of interest, how many of Gallagher's "goals from midfield" were actually direct shots from set pieces?

^^ and penalties

Seriously. Do you enjoy being so negative? We you bullied as kids? Are you on the Spectrum? If so then sorry. X

[TrentFox]

Just out of interest, how many of Gallagher's "goals from midfield" were actually direct shots from set pieces?

Do set-pieces not count ?

[Finnegan]

Seriously. Do you enjoy being so negative? We you bullied as kids? Are you on the Spectrum? If so then sorry. X

I'm not being negative I'm being accurate. To move forwards we need to be honest and assess our assets and what they're worth. If you're discussing goal contributions from the midfield then surely what's important here is goals from open play.

It's good to have a reliable set piece weapon but given that could be a striker, a full back or even the keeper then it seems somewhat irrelevant. I feel Gallagher's worth to the team is occasionally a little over hyped simply because he happens to be our designated penalty taker.

I don't hate the guy, I don't love the guy, I've never met the guy - I don't know him. I'm neither a hater or a fan. But I do feel that, on reflection, he's a distinctly average championship journeyman and we need better players to go up and stay up.

[theessexfox]

Fernandes netted a few early on as well.

[Corky]

He scored once didn't he?

[theessexfox]

I'm not being negative I'm being accurate. To move forwards we need to be honest and assess our assets and what they're worth. If you're discussing goal contributions from the midfield then surely what's important here is goals from open play.

It's good to have a reliable set piece weapon but given that could be a striker, a full back or even the keeper then it seems somewhat irrelevant. I feel Gallagher's worth to the team is occasionally a little over hyped simply because he happens to be our designated penalty taker.

I don't hate the guy, I don't love the guy, I've never met the guy - I don't know him. I'm neither a hater or a fan. But I do feel that, on reflection, he's a distinctly average championship journeyman and we need better players to go up and stay up.

10 goals are 10 goals.

[jimmer]

Yet another post with lame references to you're inept penis......you're quite the funny guy aren't you Yawn

But yeah we have a great midfield, possibly the best in the championship IMO, finally starting to settle as a team and click. So long as we maintain stability, I'm really looking forward to next season and quietly confident for the last 4 games, just need Cardiff, Brighton & Middlesborough to completely tits things up!!

[theessexfox]

He scored once didn't he?

Oh yeah... That goal stuck in my head.

[RumbleFox]

I'm not being negative I'm being accurate. To move forwards we need to be honest and assess our assets and what they're worth. If you're discussing goal contributions from the midfield then surely what's important here is goals from open play.

It's good to have a reliable set piece weapon but given that could be a striker, a full back or even the keeper then it seems somewhat irrelevant. I feel Gallagher's worth to the team is occasionally a little over hyped simply because he happens to be our designated penalty taker.

I don't hate the guy, I don't love the guy, I've never met the guy - I don't know him. I'm neither a hater or a fan. But I do feel that, on reflection, he's a distinctly average championship journeyman and we need better players to go up and stay up.

I forgot the rule saying only goals from open play count sorry. My mistake.

Yet another post with lame references to you're inept penis......you're quite the funny guy aren't you Yawn

Good point, well made.

[Finnegan]

I forgot the rule saying only goals from open play count sorry. My mistake.

Good point, well made.

That's right, get snide in the face of a genuine argument, I can see why you normally stick to cock jokes.

This is what narks me about some of the posters on here, you get so used to mindless moaners that you get entrenched whenever a real bit of criticism pops up and you just jump on the defensive.

Gallagher is a tidy penalty taker and of course that needs to be taken in to consideration, but that wasn't really the point of your thread was it? And it's not really what people are talking about, for the most part, when they look at their midfielders contributing goals.

What should be looked at is who's stepping up to score during play, not who is essentially being gifted a near "free" statistic off the back of a refs decision. Or else we're really claiming that Gallagher's potency last term was really comparable to King's?

[shen]

Good point, well made.

He 'yawns', you've got your cock out, the signal and intent is pretty clear

I'm not being negative I'm being accurate. To move forwards we need to be honest and assess our assets and what they're worth. If you're discussing goal contributions from the midfield then surely what's important here is goals from open play.

It's good to have a reliable set piece weapon but given that could be a striker, a full back or even the keeper then it seems somewhat irrelevant. I feel Gallagher's worth to the team is occasionally a little over hyped simply because he happens to be our designated penalty taker.

I don't hate the guy, I don't love the guy, I've never met the guy - I don't know him. I'm neither a hater or a fan. But I do feel that, on reflection, he's a distinctly average championship journeyman and we need better players to go up and stay up.

An average Championship midfielder who is a threat from direct free kicks and penalties qualifies as a weapon in my book. The fact that our set piece expert could be 'anyone on the pitch' is a bit of a moot point. When Gallagher's not on the pitch we lack that threat, and it's not right to neglect it. Besides, it's not like he doesn't score or create goals from open play.

[TrentFox]

That's right, get snide in the face of a genuine argument, I can see why you normally stick to cock jokes.

This is what narks me about some of the posters on here, you get so used to mindless moaners that you get entrenched whenever a real bit of criticism pops up and you just jump on the defensive.

Gallagher is a tidy penalty taker and of course that needs to be taken in to consideration, but that wasn't really the point of your thread was it? And it's not really what people are talking about, for the most part, when they look at their midfielders contributing goals.

What should be looked at is who's stepping up to score during play, not who is essentially being gifted a near "free" statistic off the back of a refs decision. Or else we're really claiming that Gallagher's potency last term was really comparable to King's?

You make your point eloquently and coherently and I have enjoyed thinking about the points you raise. I just don't personally think you can separate out certain facets of the game and recalculate as you are doing. Otherwise, we could look at clean-sheets for keepers .... without goals conceded from set-pieces .... or subtract penalties from strikers that take them i.e. Lambert etc etc. The Gally debate has been done to death and we have pretty much every angle covered on these boards. But he has an ability to strike a football that is on a higher level than anyone else in our squad in my opinion and maybe that luxury is something we need to factor into our team, particularly when we almost certainly need to win three, if not all four, of our remaining games. Thoughts ?

Having looked at how this comes out on screen, for those reading it, can I point out it wasn;t my post that was being referred to by Finn !! Don't do penis jokes !!!

[Finnegan]

Like I said, I'm not discounting Gallagher as a player purely because his goals tend to be scored from set pieces. I'm simply quibbling that goals from set pieces should be considered distinctly different to goals "from midfield."

It's possible I'm being a little pedantic and arguing semantics more than football but would you, for example, consider Alexander at Burnley to be a potent, goal scoring threat from full back (a la Maicon or Alves) because he's tidy from the spot? I'm guessing not. You'd acknowledge that Burnley have (had? Has he retired yet?) a good set piece specialist but that doesn't mean you'd be concerned about him bursting up the wings and banging them in.

Similarly Gally does have a terrific right boot but it's a threat to most teams twice a season at best and I'm hugely against carrying a player on the off chance we get a scoreable set piece, especially given the like of Marshall also seem capable.

[TrentFox]

Like I said, I'm not discounting Gallagher as a player purely because his goals tend to be scored from set pieces. I'm simply quibbling that goals from set pieces should be considered distinctly different to goals "from midfield."

It's possible I'm being a little pedantic and arguing semantics more than football but would you, for example, consider Alexander at Burnley to be a potent, goal scoring threat from full back (a la Maicon or Alves) because he's tidy from the spot? I'm guessing not. You'd acknowledge that Burnley have (had? Has he retired yet?) a good set piece specialist but that doesn't mean you'd be concerned about him bursting up the wings and banging them in.

Similarly Gally does have a terrific right boot but it's a threat to most teams twice a season at best and I'm hugely against carrying a player on the off chance we get a scoreable set piece, especially given the like of Marshall also seem capable.

Excellent argument, and I'm grateful for the distraction otherwise I'll have to do some work. In the case of Alexander (surely he must have retired by now?) if he is defending well (his primary role) and contributing to the 'goals scored', then he has to be considered a potent weapon. I think penalties are interesting in this argument due to the sheer infrequency of them. But someone who can hammer home a free-kick is a potent threat as their frequency is significantly greater. Also, in Gally's case, his crosses also contribute to the 'goals for' tally ... although I've gone off-piste with that line of thinking !!

[James.]

I think if you interpret "goals from midfield" as not just the ability of midfielders to score goals but also create them then the case for Gallagher becomes stronger.

[acooling08]

RumbleFox, please see this thread:

http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/78137-rumblefox/page__hl__rumble__fromsearch__1

[Finnegan]

I think if you interpret "goals from midfield" as not just the ability of midfielders to score goals but also create them then the case for Gallagher becomes stronger.

Well... obviously. But that applies to almost every midfielder in the game (except maybe Andy King!) That's what they do...

[James.]

Well... obviously. But that applies to almost every midfielder in the game (except maybe Andy King!) That's what they do...

The point I was making was that part of the reason people are disagreeing with your view of Gallagher is that they are considering the overall goals impact to be more than just set pieces. Firstly he does score from open play but he also puts in a fair few assists. So overall he makes a significant "goals from midfield" contribution.

For the record I think we should be looking for better options than Gallagher for the nitty gritty of the Championship and am genuinely excited about Ben Marshall. However it's exactly a Gallagher sort of player that could sneak us into the play offs over the next 4 games, because he has a real impact when talking about goals from midfield.