Rincewind Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 My cyicism is a cover for my cyicism? Maybe a little exagerated but I cannot see a huge turnaround. I support the petition.
Captain... Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 Im beginning to lose the ability to ever take you seriously. I know in some ways you are joking, but its still just a mask for what you really believe.... It's not advisable to take anyone on here seriously we are all faceless internet Muppets.
MPH Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 It's not advisable to take anyone on here seriously we are all faceless internet Muppets. ah its just some people .. all they ever seem to do is complain ALL the time. About everything. It just gets boring after a while...
davieG Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 ah its just some people .. all they ever seem to do is complain ALL the time. About everything. It just gets boring after a while... Stop complaining then
Jon the Hat Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 Speaker: Next on the agenda is an objection to the Glenfield Childrens hospital in Leicester closing. Cameron. They are poor Northerners are they not? Speaker: Yes Cameron: In that case, meeting over. Let's all go home. Mp's :Hear hear That chip on your shoulder must be giving you a really stiff neck.
Rincewind Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 Do you love and trust MP's? I know of very few people that do. Especially on here. Well maybe one or two want Cameron's love child but I won't hold that against them. My point was that even though I support the petition, these decisions will already have been made and wheels put in motion. The majority of the government will know little about the Glenfield hospital or any of the other units in danger of closing. They live in a different world to us. This most likelly applies for all parties and the members of the House of Lords. If you disagree that is fine but I think there are many people that I share that chip on my shoulder with. It has not always been there but just grown old along with me with the passing of time.
davieG Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 In my experience people at the top rarely have a clue as to how things operate at the middle and bottom. I've been in a many a situation were people around me have been made redundant on the back of saving money only for them to be replaced down the line because the role they did was actually needed. Likewise over the years governments have come made changes and gone only for down the line someone realises the change isn't working. I see so many political initiatives today introduced as if the people have had a Eureka moment yet if they'd taken the time to look back they'd see it's been done before and failed. Sadly if they'd only consulted those people in the middle and at the bottom before making the changes they might well have come up with more sustainably, realistic, working solutions. I've been at the top as well and involved in reorganisations of company structures and never has there ever been any consultation with those involved advice is more often than not provided by outside consultants that know little or nothing about how a particular organisation functions let alone the nuances that make them tick.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 In my experience people at the top rarely have a clue as to how things operate at the middle and bottom. I've been in a many a situation were people around me have been made redundant on the back of saving money only for them to be replaced down the line because the role they did was actually needed. Likewise over the years governments have come made changes and gone only for down the line someone realises the change isn't working. I see so many political initiatives today introduced as if the people have had a Eureka moment yet if they'd taken the time to look back they'd see it's been done before and failed. Sadly if they'd only consulted those people in the middle and at the bottom before making the changes they might well have come up with more sustainably, realistic, working solutions. I've been at the top as well and involved in reorganisations of company structures and never has there ever been any consultation with those involved advice is more often than not provided by outside consultants that know little or nothing about how a particular organisation functions let alone the nuances that make them tick. good post davieG
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 Come on folks, please lets have one more push trying to save Glenfield, peoples jobs and lives are on the line literally . . . . .
davieG Posted 17 July 2012 Posted 17 July 2012 In my experience people at the top rarely have a clue as to how things operate at the middle and bottom. I've been in a many a situation were people around me have been made redundant on the back of saving money only for them to be replaced down the line because the role they did was actually needed. Likewise over the years governments have come made changes and gone only for down the line someone realises the change isn't working. I see so many political initiatives today introduced as if the people have had a Eureka moment yet if they'd taken the time to look back they'd see it's been done before and failed. Sadly if they'd only consulted those people in the middle and at the bottom before making the changes they might well have come up with more sustainably, realistic, working solutions. I've been at the top as well and involved in reorganisations of company structures and never has there ever been any consultation with those involved advice is more often than not provided by outside consultants that know little or nothing about how a particular organisation functions let alone the nuances that make them tick. The UK Border Agency has laid off 1,000 more staff than intended and is having to hire extra people and increase overtime to meet its workload, Whitehall's spending watchdog says.
Rincewind Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Not read this yet just cop/pasted. Thread also needs bumping. MP Speaks in Commons About Glenfield Childrens Heart Services Jon Ashworth MP speaks in Parliament about the decision to end Glenfield’s children’s heart services and move the children’s ECMO service to Birmingham. In yesterday’s debate, which was secured following pressure from Jon and other Leicestershire MPs including Liz Kendall, Jon asked: “Where do our constituents in the east of the country, between Newcastle and London, go? That is something else that many of my constituents have raised with me.†During the debate, Jon pushed the government to publish the evidence upon which the decision to move the children’s ECMO unit away from Leicester to Birmingham was made. Jon stated: “I accept that the Minister takes advice from experts, but given that there is one set of experts making one argument, presumably he receives advice from a different set. If he published his evidence, those of us who are laymen on health policy can try to make our own judgments as those experts scrutinise one another’s work.†“Concerns have been raised about the Birmingham facility and whether it can deal with the new ECMO service. It was suggested to me that if the 80 ECMO nurses at Leicester are not prepared to leave Glenfield, it will take up to eight years for nurses in Birmingham to be trained to the appropriate level of expertise.†Before the debate Jon, Liz and other MPs met Health Minister Simin Burns to speak out against the decision to move the children’s ECMO unit away from Leicester to Birmingham
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 Not read this yet just cop/pasted. Thread also needs bumping. interesting article
Head Honcho Posted 19 July 2012 Posted 19 July 2012 It's not about money, it's about concentrating expertise in centres of excellence. The idea is to save more childrens' lives. If it isn't about money then surely the answer would be to fund more expertise per unit.
davieG Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 The people of Leeds are not happy either - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-18952868
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 The people of Leeds are not happy either - http://www.bbc.co.uk...-leeds-18952868 i dont want to get political, but this government are muppets
Jon the Hat Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 If it isn't about money then surely the answer would be to fund more expertise per unit. You are missing the point. There are not that many cases of the really difficult heart problems for surgeons to get enough practise, hence why having fewer centres will improve outcomes. The surgeons carrying out the surgery will be more experienced. Which units should remain open is a different question.
Captain... Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 You are missing the point. There are not that many cases of the really difficult heart problems for surgeons to get enough practise, hence why having fewer centres will improve outcomes. The surgeons carrying out the surgery will be more experienced. Which units should remain open is a different question. It is an interesting take on increasing the expertise, reduce the numbers and increasing the work load, sounds like cost cutting to me.
Webbo Posted 24 July 2012 Posted 24 July 2012 This stems from a report from medical professionals commissioned by the last govt. These experts might not know as much as the rest of you, and maybe it'll be proved at a later date that they were wrong but we have to assume that it is an honest decision taken for the best of reasons.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 26 July 2012 Posted 26 July 2012 It is an interesting take on increasing the expertise, reduce the numbers and increasing the work load, sounds like cost cutting to me. anyone locally who thinks shutting down Glenfield is a good idea needs their heads looking at
Parafox Posted 27 July 2012 Posted 27 July 2012 anyone locally who thinks shutting down Glenfield is a good idea needs their heads looking at This would apply to anyone in any area where a specialist unit was threatened with closure. Because it happens to be Glenfield doesn't make it a special case.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 27 July 2012 Posted 27 July 2012 This would apply to anyone in any area where a specialist unit was threatened with closure. Because it happens to be Glenfield doesn't make it a special case. didnt say it did Parafox, just stating the obvious that locally this is an important issue
MPH Posted 28 July 2012 Posted 28 July 2012 This would apply to anyone in any area where a specialist unit was threatened with closure. Because it happens to be Glenfield doesn't make it a special case. errr... other than the fact they have a higher success rate ( survival rate) than most of the other units that are not under threat?
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 31 July 2012 Posted 31 July 2012 errr... other than the fact they have a higher success rate ( survival rate) than most of the other units that are not under threat? well said
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