Claims that Jimmy Savile was a nonce

[Zingari]

young immature stars suddenly surrounded by underage fans who WANT to have a something with their pop idols. Wrong maybe but certainly different to rape.

Yes i see what you mean , the rock industry has sort of turned a blind eye to this sort of stuff for years . Elvis started going with Priscilla when she was only 14 and there were lots of rumours about many stars such as chuck berry , jerry lee lewis etc .

Times and attitudes have changed enormously since those days

[MPH]

young immature stars suddenly surrounded by underage fans who WANT to have a something with their pop idols. Wrong maybe but certainly different to rape.

you are beginning to sound like Saville defending Gary Glitter...

Are you trying to tell me if your thirteen year old girl went into the dressing room of a celebrity after a concert, that you would NOT call the police and claim she was raped if she came home crying saying intercourse had taken place?

[Guest]

you are beginning to sound like Saville defending Gary Glitter...

Are you trying to tell me if your thirteen year old girl went into the dressing room of a celebrity after a concert, that you would NOT call the police and claim she was raped if she came home crying saying intercourse had taken place?

Did you read what I wrote?

The olden day pop stars who were hounded and attacked by teenage girls in a most sexual manner is NOT the same situation as Savile and 13 year old rapes. I said it would be wrong if they took advantage but I don't think you are aware of what it was like then. and even more so in the drug hazed days of the 60's and early 70's.

Teenage girls were trying to lay the stars. It's not acceptable to take advantage of them then but to call that rape is not right either.

[Guest]

FYI my sister was a JJBurnel groupie and my daughter was never stupid enough to be going into a celebrity's changing room. I hope that you would be bringing your daughter up to know what is a stupid thing to do and what is a reasonable action.

[21st Century Fox]

It does look as if there's a really muddied area here, which makes me think the current accusations won't lead to more widespread investigations because some massive names could potentially be drawn into it.

There would seem to be a grey area of the predatory nature that some celebrities had towards young girls. FIF is right in saying that some musicians were actively pursued by young girls in a sexual way.

However people like Glitter and Saville look to have preyed on these girls who were just fans that they had easy access to (obviously we know Glitter had more of a deep seated interest).

With regard to the rock stars bedding young groupies it's easy to say "well by today's standards...." but then you could apply that to anything like racism that would have had a blind eye turned to in the past. It's abhorrent in which ever decade it was committed.

[Leicfox]

Did you read what I wrote?

The olden day pop stars who were hounded and attacked by teenage girls in a most sexual manner is NOT the same situation as Savile and 13 year old rapes. I said it would be wrong if they took advantage but I don't think you are aware of what it was like then. and even more so in the drug hazed days of the 60's and early 70's.

Teenage girls were trying to lay the stars. It's not acceptable to take advantage of them then but to call that rape is not right either.

I get what your saying. I was saying something similar to my wife this morning.

[MPH]

FYI my sister was a JJBurnel groupie and my daughter was never stupid enough to be going into a celebrity's changing room. I hope that you would be bringing your daughter up to know what is a stupid thing to do and what is a reasonable action.

i read what you wrote.

13 year old girls are incapable of making adult decisions. so for you to insinuate immature starts ( of adult age) are in any way NOT to raping them is quite frankly worrying, especially considering that you ARE a father.

The parents trusted these stars- that part is clear. the fact that trust was broken by ANY star no matter what their age is in no way justifies what can happen to a thirteen year old girl.

Do you also believe that just because a women wears a short skirt she is , not to blame, but inviting rape?

There is no justification for rape whatsoever.

[21st Century Fox]

i read what you wrote.

13 year old girls are incapable of making adult decisions. so for you to insinuate immature starts ( of adult age) are in any way NOT to raping them is quite frankly worrying, especially considering that you ARE a father.

The parents trusted these stars- that part is clear. the fact that trust was broken by ANY star no matter what their age is in no way justifies what can happen to a thirteen year old girl.

Do you also believe that just because a women wears a short skirt she is , not to blame, but inviting rape?

There is no justification for rape whatsoever.

I think FIF was referring to rock stars and the difference in predatory nature.

Lots of rock stars *openly dated ridiculously young girls.

http://www.stryder.d...ri_ Maddox.html

[Webbo]

The adult is always responsible. It's not like these girls raped them.

In the case of Saville though it is even more disgusting as he took advantage of girls in a childrens' home and the staff turned a blind eye. That, to me is the most sickening behaviour of all.

[Leicfox]

I think FIF was referring to rock stars and the difference in predatory nature.

Lots of rock stars openly dated ridiculously young girls.

http://www.stryder.d...ri_ Maddox.html

That's how I read it too. Didn't John Peel marry a 15yr old girl in the 60's who lied about her age.

[Captain...]

i read what you wrote.

13 year old girls are incapable of making adult decisions. so for you to insinuate immature starts ( of adult age) are in any way NOT to raping them is quite frankly worrying, especially considering that you ARE a father.

The parents trusted these stars- that part is clear. the fact that trust was broken by ANY star no matter what their age is in no way justifies what can happen to a thirteen year old girl.

Do you also believe that just because a women wears a short skirt she is , not to blame, but inviting rape?

There is no justification for rape whatsoever.

Why are13 year old girls incapable of making an adult decision? Ok 13 is young, but lets say a 15 and 364 days old? But the next day she can. Why can a 14 year old in some countries wake an adult decision but a 17 year old in other countries can't?

Yes 13 is too young, but any one who has hit puberty is capable of consenting with full knowledge to sexual intercourse, and instigating it regardless of age.

It is only a legal age put on it to protect the vulnerable, and it should be respected, but if you are a rock star and have 15 year old girls made up to look older throwing themselves at you and you sleep with them without checking their id, it is not the same as preying on underage girls like savile is accused of doing.

[Guest]

i read what you wrote.

13 year old girls are incapable of making adult decisions. so for you to insinuate immature starts ( of adult age) are in any way NOT to raping them is quite frankly worrying, especially considering that you ARE a father.

The parents trusted these stars- that part is clear. the fact that trust was broken by ANY star no matter what their age is in no way justifies what can happen to a thirteen year old girl.

Do you also believe that just because a women wears a short skirt she is , not to blame, but inviting rape?

There is no justification for rape whatsoever.

You are writing like a complete twat.

I've never said that it was alright . I've said that they are not similar cases and that both are wrong.

Clearly you are either an illiterate imbecile or just looking for a fight.

How clear do I have to make it to you?

[acooling08]

Have you seen some of the girls that were allegedly abused? Many look much over 16...

I truly hope that as a middle aged bloke I'll have changed, but right now as a 19 year old I wouldn't ask girls like this for ID. I wouldn't thrust myself onto them like Saville, but I wouldn't say no. Most men of my age would say the same too.

[Daggers]

Most men of my age would say the same too.

You aren't a man.

You are a cvnt.

[acooling08]

You aren't a man.

You are a cvnt.

Why don't you just block me rather than seeking out my posts to moan?

Edit: What are your views on my post above? Doubt you actually read it mind

[21st Century Fox]

Unedited extract from a pre-broadcast tape from BBC Radio's Saville's Travels.

Creepy...as....hell!

[Daggers]

Why don't you just block me rather than seeking out my posts to moan?

You are perfectly at liberty to ignore my posts about you.

[Zingari]

i've got everyone on ignore

i only ever read my own posts it's safer that way

[THEBIGJOHNSTEADER;]

Jo Frost next to be exposed

I've always hated that cvnt

[Guest]

Jo Frost next to be exposed

I've always hated that cvnt

was she your nanny?

[Mack]

I just heard someone say that Saville would sometimes answer his phone "She told me she was over 16."

I think we can say that he knew that he was having sex with many underage girls.

And moreover I think that it will be found that this was not only a BBC problem, but a celebrity problem of the time among sick depraved men in a position of power or fame.

Saville was a rancid horrible man who abused the position of trust he was given around children to abuse them in the worse manner.

[21st Century Fox]

I'm wondering how far this will go as I've heard a certain politician is pretty tied to these accusations. My guess would be that this gets buried before his name gets dragged into it.

[THEFATBASTARD]

The met say they have 120 lines of inquiry..other famous names in the frame.. they should dig jimmy up and stick him inside..

[Guest MattP]

I agree, not had a good old fashioned corpse snatch for years.

[THEFATBASTARD]

I agree, not had a good old fashioned corpse snatch for years.

better still, dig him up and hook on a gibbet and we can beat him with sticks..works for me.