Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 After Brazil rejected Guardiola because he is not Brazilian, is it time for FIFA to outlaw foreign managers in international football? I've got to agree with the Brazilian Football Confederation president José Maria Marin who said: I find it hard to believe that Brazil's next coach will be a foreigner. I have the greatest respect for Guardiola, but Brazil has won all of its five World Cups with Brazilian coaches. Brazil has won 5 World Cups with Brazilian players and Brazilian managers. If they were to win a sixth World Cup with Guardiola in charge it would not really be a Brazilian victory since it would have been masterminded by a Spaniard. Perhaps FIFA should just ban foreign managers altogether so there is no temptation for nations such as England and Russia to try and buy success by using foreign managers. If you're not allowed to use foreign players then why are you allowed to you use foreign managers? England can't sign Messi or Ronaldo to help them so why should they be able to get Capello or Guardiola? Using another country's talent to improve your chances of success really defeats the whole point of international football.
Carl the Llama Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 I actually agree that it's more in the spirit of international teams to be managed by nationals of that country. Can't see foreign managers being outlawed though - everyone would be up in arms.
Dan Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Controversial but.. yes. Not saying immediately kick out all foreign managers but if every player is foreign, why shouldn't the manager be?
J.Lisemore Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 They should. Work with what you've got as a country.
Haydos Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 It makes sense that as a national Football team, all your players and staff should be from that country. So yes, I think it's time for a change.
darko2k7 Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Not sure you could outlaw it, at least not in Europe anyway . Would it not break European law saying for example a Spanish manger can not work in England ?. I suppose they could have it as a guideline but they could never force any nation not to employ a foreign manager .
KingPowerLCFC1884 Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 this is stupid!!!! so your saying for example Brendan Rodgers cannot manage Liverpool because he is from Northern Ireland? i am sorry but that is discrimination.
Rocket-Ron Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Has there ever been a foreign manager of a world cup winning team??
Kitchandro Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 I don't really care either way, but if they're going to do this, they should also tighten up the rules on which nations you're qualified to play for. There was a Premiership footballer on Football Focus the other day who can pick and choose between FOUR different countries. Half the Wales, Scotland and Ireland teams are full of Englishman. France won the world cup with some players who were essentially Africans, and some of the best German players are in fact Polish and Turkish. It's getting a bit silly now, players are moving to a country for a year and then rush through citizenship and are allowed to play for them. The manager's nationality is just water under the bridge these days.
Carl the Llama Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Not sure you could outlaw it, at least not in Europe anyway . Would it not break European law saying for example a Spanish manger can not work in England ?. I suppose they could have it as a guideline but they could never force any nation not to employ a foreign manager . By your logic international football teams must also be illegal in Europe. this is stupid!!!! so your saying for example Brendan Rodgers cannot manage Liverpool because he is from Northern Ireland? i am sorry but that is discrimination. Nobody's saying that, not even closely.
foxesfan1989 Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Pretty sure it would be illegal. It's nice to have a manager from the same nation, but I don't think it's right to insist upon it.
darko2k7 Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 By your logic international football teams must also be illegal in Europe. Nobody's saying that, not even closely. I do get your point but It's not my logic , It's European law !, you can not stop a European citizen from working any where they like in Europe .
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 29 November 2012 Author Posted 29 November 2012 Not sure you could outlaw it, at least not in Europe anyway . Would it not break European law saying for example a Spanish manger can not work in England ?. I suppose they could have it as a guideline but they could never force any nation not to employ a foreign manager . Spanish managers would still be able to work in England. They just wouldn't be able to manage the England national team. In the same way that Spanish players can play IN England but they aren't allowed to play FOR England.
darko2k7 Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Spanish managers would still be able to work in England. They just wouldn't be able to manage the England national team. In the same way that Spanish players can play IN England but they aren't allowed to play FOR England. But you can not by law stop a Spanish manger from being manager of England. Maybe they should treat managers and staff of national teams like they do players and say that they at least have to work in England for x amount of years before they can manage the England team. Look i'm not a lawyer i was just stating that you can not stop free employment in the European union , I don't know the in's and outs of it.
lavrentis Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 foreign managers could raise the profile of football in some countries but I am happy that England has an English manager
Carl the Llama Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 I do get your point but It's not my logic , It's European law !, you can not stop a European citizen from working any where they like in Europe . This is entirely true, but as it's perfectly legal - required even - for international teams to only use players with a passport from that country, why should the same not be allowed to be applied to the manager?
darko2k7 Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 This is entirely true, but as it's perfectly legal - required even - for international teams to only use players with a passport from that country, why should the same not be allowed to be applied to the manager? Like i said above i'm not a lawyer so i don't know the in's and outs of it all . All i do know is that you could not force any European FA not to employ a foreign ( from the EU at least ) manager .
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 No! How else will the lesser and developing football nation be able to bridge the gap, with out foreign coaches?
Rincewind Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Do football managers come under the EU freedom to work in Europe bill? If so they can move about Europe the same as any other worker and if they live in the UK they can apply for any job.
Carl the Llama Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 No! How else will the lesser and developing football nation be able to bridge the gap, with out foreign coaches? Fair point, but the best way to achieve that end is with better coaching at grassroots, not paying a guy with a good reputation to make the best of what's available.
Bugg Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 I don't really care either way, but if they're going to do this, they should also tighten up the rules on which nations you're qualified to play for. There was a Premiership footballer on Football Focus the other day who can pick and choose between FOUR different countries. Half the Wales, Scotland and Ireland teams are full of Englishman. France won the world cup with some players who were essentially Africans, and some of the best German players are in fact Polish and Turkish. It's getting a bit silly now, players are moving to a country for a year and then rush through citizenship and are allowed to play for them. The manager's nationality is just water under the bridge these days. Which ones are these? I can only think of Ozil who was born in Gelsenkirchen to a third generation Turkish-German family.
accessory Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Miroslav Klose and Lukas Podolski were both born in Poland. To those who voted yes in the poll, If Guardiola, Mourinho or even Arsene Wenger wanted to manage England in the 2014 World Cup (assuming we qualify), do you really doubt they would do a better job than the current incumbent?
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.