flowwolf Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 My point was that she is a Councillor working within a community that serves all religious sectors including Muslims and to date no-one has stoned her to death or beat her to death. Ah but she would not be allowed to hold that position in a fully Islamic society.
Rincewind Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Then what is the problem? There is a local free magazine available at various locations. I believe it is called Pukkar. There is a news article about her. Read it then comment.
flowwolf Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Then what is the problem? There is a local free magazine available at various locations. I believe it is called Pukkar. There is a news article about her. Read it then comment. To be honest Rince I'm not that bothered I'm just bored.
digitalalba Posted 24 January 2013 Author Posted 24 January 2013 This is why letting a community police itself is not a good idea and why we should have an independent police service to uphold the law of the land. Let me know when we get an independent police service. I wont hold my breathe especially since they've now decided to politicise the police service with elections When the police are told to avoid 'raising tensions', then 5 men are arrested for alledged sexual assualt, if it was your daughter or niece and the police said theres nothing we can do initially because we don't want 'racial tensions', would you really only, "want to see the criminal brought to justice, but that would involve wanting to see them convicted and imprisoned."? Would your family and closest friends agree with you and pat you on the back, good job cheese, right on ...and if it could create racial tension, what a farce it is that the very same people are calling Leicester a wonderful multicultural enriching society besides the good, if sexual assualt and 40 men attacking a restaurant is part of enrichment for the british is what they're telling us, who needs that
digitalalba Posted 24 January 2013 Author Posted 24 January 2013 Ok serious point time, the worry is that we will end up with a situation like black men being pulled over constantly by police it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Police profiling suggests that paedophilia is rife in Muslim gangs so you focus all your resources on finding Muslim paedophile gangs, then you will only find Muslim paedophile gangs, if you only find Muslim paedophile gangs then you will only look for... Etc I'm not saying it is not a Muslim problem, I an saying it is not only a Muslim problem, the problem arises with many perpetrators from many walks of life, it is not just Muslims and celebrities, but they make a better story. Is it a 'better story' because the impression from the elite is that muslims and islam is always of peace? Only the few in society know thats not the case. When will most people know.
digitalalba Posted 24 January 2013 Author Posted 24 January 2013 What they hate is things like Wahhabism, Salafists, Hamas, Al Qaeda and the like. None of these really follow Islam. Those groups' so called scholars are working against Islam either intentionally, or in some cases, unintentionally. Wahhabis were created and controlled by the British. So were Salafis. Hamas was created and controlled by Israel. Al Qaeda was created by security forces from the USA. There's a pattern emerging for anyone with intelligence. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/08/july7.development 8th paragraph. You can add the Muslim Brotherhood to that list aswell. They are just the Arab branch of freemasonry. Nothing to do with Islam. The illuminati (the enlightended ones). That religion has been taken over and used, just like Christianity has, but I know that many westerners don't want to know. Even when you tell them, they just come up with some more shit about why Islam is bad because of something that Hamas or the Wahhabis have done Its only when you get 'islamic nationalists' like Gadaffi who see through those you describe, the elite, that end up being hunted down and assasinated. Sudam hussein on the other hand was in with the elite as a patsy, the elite decided he was no longer willing to play the game or didn't need him, got rid by 'trial'. Im no fan btw
Guest MattP Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Five men have appeared in court charged with a string of sexual offences against a 16-year-old girl. A total of 22 charges have been brought against the men, aged 20, 22, 25, 27 and 39. ​Five men have appeared at Leicester Magistrates Court charged with sex offences It follows a police investigation into the alleged exploitation of a teenager. The charges include: trafficking for sexual exploitation; arranging or facilitating prostitution; controlling a child involved in prostitution; inciting child prostitution and paying for sexual services. No pleas were entered during yesterday's hearing, at Leicester Magistrates' Court, but it was decided the charges were so serious that the case could only be dealt by a crown court judge. Magistrates have issued an order banning publication of the defendants' names, addresses and dates of birth. The Leicester Mercury challenged the order in court – but was unsuccessful. The men were remanded back into custody to appear at court again later this month.
Manwell Pablo Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Organised Religion, ruining the world for thousands of years.
indierich06 Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Because of Islam rediculous stance on insisting that it is the one and only true religion and anyone who does not believe what it teaches is a infidel and going to hell. Yes such a wonderful tolerant way of looking at life is bound to make us all want to be part of it. Are you joking or have you not read the Bible? In fact, most religions operate along these lines.
Rincewind Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 That is why I do not follow any religion. There are said to be 3000 gods available to pray to. I dismiss them all and rely on human nature which for all it's faults is basically good. It is only those that take their faith too far and try to impose it on others that there is trouble. In ancient times people were more afraid of stories of everlasting torture than a slap on the wrist for commuting a misdemeanor against the rest of the tribe. I am just amazed that people still believe the stories in the 21st century.
Dr The Singh Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 It's not Islam that people hate. People who hate don't know anything about Islam, apart from maybe a few quotes, or examples of bad sheiks stirring up trouble, or atrocities blamed falsely on Islam. Easily led if you ask me. Some of them actually want to hate though, so aren't going to question too much. What they hate is things like Wahhabism, Salafists, Hamas, Al Qaeda and the like. None of these really follow Islam. Those groups' so called scholars are working against Islam either intentionally, or in some cases, unintentionally. Wahhabis were created and controlled by the British. So were Salafis. Hamas was created and controlled by Israel. Al Qaeda was created by security forces from the USA. There's a pattern emerging for anyone with intelligence. You can add the Muslim Brotherhood to that list aswell. They are just the Arab branch of freemasonry. Nothing to do with Islam. That religion has been taken over and used, just like Christianity has, but I know that many westerners don't want to know. Even when you tell them, they just come up with some more shit about why Islam is bad because of something that Hamas or the Wahhabis have done I thought that it was the British who destroyed the Sikh empire? I may be wrong, but that's what I always thought and is why I've always found it strange that many Sikhs have such a love affair with the British establishment. On a side note, about 6 months ago on a job, I was talking to a religious Sikh. He told me that many Sikhs in his community nowadays are reet racists in his opinion (I have since heard a few Sikh radio talk shows that seem to back this up as they had some reet shit-stirring dickheads on). He told me about a couple of the early Guru's who went to Mecca, and had respect for Islam and said that this mutual respect has mostly long since gone out of the window. I know that the loss of this respect has alot to do with the history, but I don't see what that has to do with religion or nationality. It's surely politics. It was the SIkhs that destroyed the Sikh empire after the SIkhs destroyed the Moghul (islamic) empire from India, kicked the Afghan invaders arses and the Turks, Nepalese Gurkhas, Pathans of Kashmir. The Sikhs have done what no army has done, invaded Afghanistan all the way to Kabul. Which show Empty, im intrigued, I would like to download and listen. Sikhs are no more racist then anyone other race, infact there was a panorama documentary on ilegal immigration and I was so ashamed of UK Sikhs abusing and taking advantage of illegal immgrants from the SIkh background. But one thing I will say, the Sikh TV Channels, temples and establishments, haven't sat quite nor swept in under the carpet, there will be action. Sikhs have been open and honest enough to admit there is a problem. I could do a Empty and come out with a 'true sikh' would not disrespect any religion. Our first master went to Mecca, there is still a sikh tempe and shrine nearby. Your right it's politics that caused the drift, unfortunately pakistan is a islamic state a political entity based on religion, so really the two are entwined. I have been to pakistan punjab and found no animosity, majority are good people, unfortunately surrounding states are illiterate and easily duped. Those iliterates are also in the UK.
sphericalfox Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 jeebus wept indeed ! I see you have changed your avatar once again, shame you can't change the absolute bilge that dribbles out of your dull little mouth. Pancake boy This coming from you is precious.
anotherharboroughfox Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 I'm a practicing Jedi. So don't fvck with me.
The Doctor Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 I'm a practicing Jedi. So don't fvck with me. You're a fence-sitting monk, what are you, gay? Join the sith - more depravity and jesus was one.
anotherharboroughfox Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 You're a fence-sitting monk, what are you, gay? Join the sith - more depravity and jesus was one.
BoneDog Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 And I have not even touched on how muslim women are treated. I'm afraid peoples negative attitudes to Islam are brought on by the way the religion in it's portrayal and practice is shown by it's adherents. I don't know what to say about the first part without repeating myself so have left it out. As for the women part, I know and have known many Muslim women over the years, including white converts, and all of them are no different from English women. Maybe they are less depressed actually. But apart from that, exactly the same. I've read a few different translations of the Koran, more than once, and read numerous commentaries, and womens importance to their family and to society as a whole can hardly be stressed more. Those men who treat their wives, sisters, mothers etc. like crap, are not following any religion. Its only when you get 'islamic nationalists' like Gadaffi who see through those you describe, the elite, that end up being hunted down and assasinated. Sudam hussein on the other hand was in with the elite as a patsy, the elite decided he was no longer willing to play the game or didn't need him, got rid by 'trial'. Im no fan btw It's a shame what they did to Gadaffi. He was good for the region. A top leader. Just look at the state of Libya now, and the catastrophe it is in. Gadaffi isn't responsible for that - the scum who decided on destabilizing the region are. We can clearly now see what a good job the man was doing. He had many of the terrorist pricks locked up, and kept the others under control. We let them loose! Mental! Organised Religion, ruining the world for thousands of years. Not sure about that. Can't remember one major war, for example, in the past 100 years that was fought because of religion. Can easily point you to hundreds of millions of early and unnatural deaths because of other reasons though. Edit : Got to go out. Already running late after popping in here. Prob be back at about ayf 11.
flowwolf Posted 24 January 2013 Posted 24 January 2013 Well if you really have read the Qur'an ( it's not the Koran by the way ) you will have understood that no where does it tell muslim women to dress in such a covered up way. That is something muslim men have insisted, on it has no religious connextion what so ever. So in the islamic world the ony use a women has is to be a mother and society as a whole , what kind of backward patronising shite is that ? No wonder it is looked upon in any civilised society as a medievil throw back , it does not even have much history being invented by a man who thought it ok to have sex with a nine year old.
BoneDog Posted 25 January 2013 Posted 25 January 2013 Well if you really have read the Qur'an ( it's not the Koran by the way ) you will have understood that no where does it tell muslim women to dress in such a covered up way. That is something muslim men have insisted, on it has no religious connextion what so ever. So in the islamic world the ony use a women has is to be a mother and society as a whole , what kind of backward patronising shite is that ? No wonder it is looked upon in any civilised society as a medievil throw back , it does not even have much history being invented by a man who thought it ok to have sex with a nine year old.
BoneDog Posted 25 January 2013 Posted 25 January 2013 Of course I don't surrender, just not sure if it's worth it!
The Doctor Posted 25 January 2013 Posted 25 January 2013 Of course I don't surrender, just not sure if it's worth it! Do it, I've got popcorn out for this.
digitalalba Posted 25 January 2013 Author Posted 25 January 2013 It's a shame what they did to Gadaffi. He was good for the region. A top leader. Just look at the state of Libya now, and the catastrophe it is in. Gadaffi isn't responsible for that - the scum who decided on destabilizing the region are. We can clearly now see what a good job the man was doing. He had many of the terrorist pricks locked up, and kept the others under control. We let them loose! Mental! What was hard to swallow was the media lapping up the war against Gadaffi and making the general public believe it was a good idea to invade the country and murder thousands of people, on the understanding that a bunch of 'rebles' (coalition sponsered) were being 'persecuted'. If someone doesn't learn the truth, will they only believe a lie? All that is needed for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke
digitalalba Posted 25 January 2013 Author Posted 25 January 2013 Well if you really have read the Qur'an ( it's not the Koran by the way ) you will have understood that no where does it tell muslim women to dress in such a covered up way. That is something muslim men have insisted, on it has no religious connextion what so ever. So in the islamic world the ony use a women has is to be a mother and society as a whole , what kind of backward patronising shite is that ? No wonder it is looked upon in any civilised society as a medievil throw back , it does not even have much history being invented by a man who thought it ok to have sex with a nine year old. Didn't he marry her at 6 aswell
Dr The Singh Posted 25 January 2013 Posted 25 January 2013 Come on guys, let's not insult anyone's religion, unless it's of real relevance to the thread!!!!
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