Guest MattP Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 That's a great retort. You think what you want to think. If you make a blanket statement as though it was fact, with no evidence, then please excuse for laughing at you. No worries Torbett.
sphericalfox Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 Every religion has it's lovely, generous and caring people. Every religion also has it's extremists, it's ignorant backward members. Problem is with Islam, the proportion of the latter to the former is much higher than all other mainstream religions. Muslims don't seem to be able to keep their religion to themselves, they all seem to want to thrust their backward beliefs on others, and they seem to think they are better than non-muslims. jeebus wept.
Dr The Singh Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 No chance, they'll always be a string of white liberals to defend anything they do in the name of 'tolerance and diversity'. We need an open and honest society, whether its sikh, black, no matter what race, the grooming, exploitation of girls must stop!!!
sphericalfox Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 No worries Torbett. Brilliant, you think I find the subject matter amusing, rather than your backerds viewpoint?
Guest MattP Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 We need an open and honest society, whether its sikh, black, no matter what race, the grooming, exploitation of girls must stop!!! No chance of getting it unfotunately, the fact some people still seem to want to laugh off and sweep this sort of thing under the carpet even when it involves child rape in case we offend someone or something offers no hope.
Dr The Singh Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 No chance of getting it unfotunately, the fact some people still seem to want to laugh off and sweep this sort of thing under the carpet even when it involves child rape in case we offend someone or something offers no hope. There will be a tipping point, and i'm afraid to say, when a rich white young girl gets groomed, the whole country will uproar. Or like this case a mass group of men go on the rampage and murder!!!
Guest MattP Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 There will be a tipping point, and i'm afraid to say, when a rich white young girl gets groomed, the whole country will uproar. Or like this case a mass group of men go on the rampage and murder!!! A rich white girl won't get groomed though, in pretty much all these cases it's generally girls from working class broken homes who are the victims. Hence why a lot of the middle classes don't really give a shit about them.
Kilworthfox Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 Politically, I lean to the right. I have friends that are white, black, brown, yellow and with the recent weather, blue. I'm friends with Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, atheists, Christians, Jews and even some Catholics (I'm Protestant) However, some of the stuff that has been posted in this thread is ridiculous. Digitalalba or whatever your name is, you need to be careful, coming onto the Internet and spouting shit like that is very dangerous. Fair play to the Sikhs, they went to the police, the police did nothing. Now before anybody tells me vigilante justice is wrong, stop and think, if a gang raped / attacked your mum/sister/auntie/niece/daughter* (*delete as appropriate) would you really sit around twiddling your thumbs ? No, nobody would, anger would sweep through you and you would want revenge. This attack is nothing to do with race or religion, it's to do with the fact one of their family was 'raped'. Rant over, now lets make love. My thoughts too! This is about feelings of injustice, nothing to do with differing religious beliefs.
Dr The Singh Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 A rich white girl won't get groomed though, in pretty much all these cases it's generally girls from working class broken homes who are the victims. Hence why a lot of the middle classes don't really give a shit about them. Thats so sad!
MooseBreath Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 "the closest we have to a national estimate comes from CEOP's 2011 scoping study into "localised grooming", roughly synonymous with on-street grooming... CEOP suggest there are over 2,000 "potential offenders" in the UK... Of these, 49% were white and 46% Asian: the proportion of Pakistani Asians remains unknown. However, in a country where Asians constitute 7% of the general population, this is a striking figure." "First, we have the white offenders, who typically offend alone. So far, nothing new: the lone white male is the norm for UK child sex offences. Second, however, there are Asian offenders, many of whom are of Pakistani origin. They seem much more likely to offend in groups, lending their abuse a curiously social dimension. In our research, which focuses on large offending groups, we analysed police data from five major on-street grooming investigations. Of the 52 suspects charged, 83% were Asian Pakistani, 11% Asian other and 6% white British. These are shocking statistics and the over-representation of Asian offenders within this dataset certainly merits attention."
breadandcheese Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 Does anybody actually know the statistics as to the percenatge of incidences of paedophilia and grooming in the muslim vs non-muslim community? I suspect nobody does but there is plenty of talk that it is supposed fact that grooming is a far bigger problem in the muslim community. Frankly, it smacks of witch-hunt.
Guest MattP Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 Does anybody actually know the statistics as to the percenatge of incidences of paedophilia and grooming in the muslim vs non-muslim community? I suspect nobody does but there is plenty of talk that it is supposed fact that grooming is a far bigger problem in the muslim community. Frankly, it smacks of witch-hunt. Post above. we analysed police data from five major on-street grooming investigations. Of the 52 suspects charged, 83% were Asian Pakistani, 11% Asian other and 6% white British. These are shocking statistics and the over-representation of Asian offenders within this dataset certainly merits attention."
leicsmac Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 Massive hot-potato issue this. But paedophiles of any race or religion are just that - paedophiles, and should be investigated and convicted equally. I was always uncomfortable about the generalisation that went around about Catholic priests when all of that came to light. You attach race/religion/ethnicity labels to criminals in that way and very quickly you get generalisations of entire populations which are unjustified and only stoke more tension. As for the incident itself, I'm not a father (yet) so I can't say what I would do if (all the entities in the multiverse forbid) I found myself in that situation, but I would imagine rounding up a couple of mates and delivering a swift bucketful of darkness to those responsible would be an awfully strong feeling.
MooseBreath Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 That's a great retort. You think what you want to think. If you make a blanket statement as though it was fact, with no evidence, then please excuse for laughing at you. ONLY How much more evidence do you want? And why don't you provide some of your own? Your denial is effectively you making a blanket statement as though it was fact, with no evidence, but i'm not laughing at you because you're never funny.
Bettsj2 Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 Does anybody actually know the statistics as to the percenatge of incidences of paedophilia and grooming in the muslim vs non-muslim community? I suspect nobody does but there is plenty of talk that it is supposed fact that grooming is a far bigger problem in the muslim community. Frankly, it smacks of witch-hunt. 100% muslim against non muslims
1964FOX Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 Sorry, do provide me with the others who engage in this behaviour then? I can honestly say I never heard of a group of lads from any other group who go around together picking off young girls to drug, rape and pass around each other. I hate to think why people like you always seem to want to defend this behaviour, I dread to think what skeletons are in your closet. Like The Singh says above, you can close your ears all you like and try to run away from it, this has been happening for years by that lot and it's sickos like you that seem for some bizarre reason to give it every opportunity it can to cintinue. Unfortunately Matt this type of thing has been going on for many years, gangs or 'circles' of men befriend and influence vulnerable young females and then sexually abuse them. They target young girls in care especially and years ago this would be exclusively White middle aged men. It does seem to be a trend that is being adopted by certain sectors of our society who seem to discount this behaviour as they see the girls as bad people and therefore fair game.
Guest MattP Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 Unfortunately Matt this type of thing has been going on for many years, gangs or 'circles' of men befriend and influence vulnerable young females and then sexually abuse them. They target young girls in care especially and years ago this would be exclusively White middle aged men. It does seem to be a trend that is being adopted by certain sectors of our society who seem to discount this behaviour as they see the girls as bad people and therefore fair game. Yes and that sort of thing is generally middle aged white men isn't it? We're talking about the sort that teams up with a few mates, gets in a car with a some drugs/booze then drives arounds the streets looking for teenage tearaways to gang rape.
sphericalfox Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 How much more evidence do you want? And why don't you provide some of your own? Your denial is effectively you making a blanket statement as though it was fact, with no evidence, but i'm not laughing at you because you're never funny. I don't disagree that there is an issue, and that it should be swept under the carpet or any other nonsense. But when MattP makes a statement that says it's a MUSLIM ONLY. I'm sure that even you can understand this simplicity, that it is NOT A MUSLIM ONLY ISSUE, and retarded statements like this, only suggest an underlying issue with Matt's viewpoint, EVEN after the fact you presented some statistics or facts on the issue,
Guest MattP Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 Are you a twat? Oh sorry that's shouldn't be rhetorical. Brilliant, we manage to get through six pages of decent debate then one night the usuals turn up again with the insults.
MooseBreath Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 it is NOT A MUSLIM ONLY ISSUE Sounds like a blanket statement to me, pretty boy, time for some evidence?
sphericalfox Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 Brilliant, we manage to get through six pages of decent debate then one night the usuals turn up again with the insults. Torbett? Maybe you should keep quiet now... shhhhhh
Guest MattP Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 Torbett? Maybe you should keep quiet now... shhhhhh I thought you would take it as a compliment. You certainly seem to know the score about passing the burden of proof when it comes to talking about child sex offending.
sphericalfox Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 I thought you would take it as a compliment. You certainly seem to know the score about passing the burden of proof when it comes to talking about child sex offending. Before this grinds into an insult thread. May I say that hypocrisy does suit you, and if ONLY I could come up with something as clever as your encyclopedic knowledge of pedophilia I'd ONLY make one more post to put you in your place.
Captain... Posted 23 January 2013 Posted 23 January 2013 We're talking about the sort that teams up with a few mates, gets in a car with a some drugs/booze then drives arounds the streets looking for teenage tearaways to gang rape. You mean Leeds united players?
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