Leicester Piggott Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 I wonder if he liked carrots? Maybe carrots cause you to kill? It can't have been the direct orders from a superior, it can't be a coincidence and if it does turn out that he liked carrots, I want all carrots cremated immediately, sod the circumstances. Rincewind - too much daily mail. Not enough application of common sense/perspective.
Leicester Piggott Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 Not a Daily Mail fan. Really? You should try it. Your anti-video game viewpoint and linking two potentially coincidental mutual occurrences and drawing a direct causal link would fit right in!
leicsmac Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 I do think that anyone who kills and then writes a book about it is a mite sociopathic.
Rincewind Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 Really? You should try it. Your anti-video game viewpoint and linking two potentially coincidental mutual occurrences and drawing a direct causal link would fit right in! My post was not meant to be taken seriously.
Reynard Bleu Posted 4 February 2013 Author Posted 4 February 2013 I dont think the total is the issue as such. Someone on a missile battery or in a bomber could kill more than that in one day. This difference is it is somehow personal to put the enemy in your sights when they don't know you are there are calmly pull the trigger. Quite.
Finnegan Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 Why is he a psychopath for doing his job? Does that mean people like prince harry are psychopaths as they have killed people in a war? It wasn't that he'd killed people that raised a brow it was the way he talked about it. Crazy.
Rincewind Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 It wasn't that he'd killed people that raised a brow it was the way he talked about it. Crazy. It wasn't that he'd killed people that raised a brow it was the way he talked about it. Crazy. A psychopath author then.
The Doctor Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 Why is he a psychopath for doing his job? Does that mean people like prince harry are psychopaths as they have killed people in a war? I'd say what makes him more of a psychopath is comments like this: "When I do go face god there is going to be lots of things I will have to account for but killing any of those people is not one of them." In essence saying it was fine to kill all of those people - a complete lack of remorse. When you see what is essentially murder as fine, then you're probably a bit of a psychopath.
Rincewind Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 He may have prayed before each kill to ask for the all clear.
Guest BlueBrett Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 In essence saying it was fine to kill all of those people - a complete lack of remorse. When you see what is essentially murder as fine, then you're probably a bit of a psychopath. But he doesn't see it as murder and why should he feel remorse for simply doing his job? I expect he probably thinks the fact that such actions are deemed necessary is sad like the rest of us but once you accept that they are, which millions of people do, there is nothing psychopathic about being unapologetic about being the one whose job it is to pull the trigger. I also think it should be considered that his flippancy about the whole thing may well just be a coping mechanism.
Jon the Hat Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 But he doesn't see it as murder and why should he feel remorse for simply doing his job? I expect he probably thinks the fact that such actions are deemed necessary is sad like the rest of us but once you accept that they are, which millions of people do, there is nothing psychopathic about being unapologetic about being the one whose job it is to pull the trigger. I also think it should be considered that his flippancy about the whole thing may well just be a coping mechanism. Where the poor buggers who dropped the H bomb on Japan psychopaths? I doubt it, I expect they beleieve like everyone else in their chain of command that it was the best way to stop the war.
AdamN Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 I also think it should be considered that his flippancy about the whole thing may well just be a coping mechanism. Quite likely. If I was an Army sniper then I'd be pretty fucked in the head if I felt remorse for over 250 killings. The absolute best thing to do is treat it as a job, and nothing else. You aren't the Grim Reaper, you don't personally send your country to war, you just do as you're told.
Guest BlueBrett Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 Where the poor buggers who dropped the H bomb on Japan psychopaths? I doubt it, I expect they beleieve like everyone else in their chain of command that it was the best way to stop the war. Exactly. And who are we to sit here and criticise people who have to carry out these atrocious acts when they do so in our name and are simply acting in accordance with the foreign policy of the governments we vote into power. Maybe if Rincewind et al are so affronted by things like this they should consider voting UKIP in 2015. They are the only serious party without an interventionist foreign policy.
Rincewind Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 Thought UKIP's foreign policy was to exclude foreigners? Yes it was his job like it's a hangman's job to ensure everything is right with a gallows before putting a noose around a victims neck. Cool calculated and devoid of emotion. They believe they are doing the right thing and have been convinced of it by their superiors. They have also convinced themselves that it is the right thing. How many killers defend their actions by saying they did what they thought was right?
MooseBreath Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 ALL SOLDIERS ARE COLD CALCULATED MURDERERS!!!!!! SEND THEM TO JAIL ! Q!
Rincewind Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 Soldiers are pawns of governments used for settling disputes.
Rincewind Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 Me or Moosebreath? Not what others are saying.
Finnegan Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 Bob Hare taught me, I'm qualified to diagnose psychos.* (*via a Ronson book. )
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 Soldiers are pawns of governments used for settling disputes. ... or very brave individuals who are willing to risk everything to do what they believe in, when 99% of others wouldn't have the guts to even consider doing so. Obviously in an ideal world there'd be no war yadda yadda, but the whole world doesn't have the same ideals and there are some pretty messed up people in charge so there'll always be wars.
Finnegan Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 ... or very brave individuals who are willing to risk everything to do what they believe in, when 99% of others wouldn't have the guts to even consider doing so. Obviously in an ideal world there'd be no war yadda yadda, but the whole world doesn't have the same ideals and there are some pretty messed up people in charge so there'll always be wars. Give over, it's not world war two, it's a career and a career in killing people at that. Who these days goes "my God, we MUST save that group of Libyans from that other group of Libyans I don't understand the difference between. By my bravery honour, I will become a fighter pilot to defend them!"
Guest BlueBrett Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 Thought UKIP's foreign policy was to exclude foreigners? That's their immigration policy. Obviously in an ideal world there'd be no war yadda yadda, but the whole world doesn't have the same ideals and there are some pretty messed up people in charge so there'll always be wars. Until everyone learns to speak English. Then we'll all just watch tv all day.
Leicester Piggott Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 Thought UKIP's foreign policy was to exclude foreigners? Yes it was his job like it's a hangman's job to ensure everything is right with a gallows before putting a noose around a victims neck. Cool calculated and devoid of emotion. They believe they are doing the right thing and have been convinced of it by their superiors. They have also convinced themselves that it is the right thing. How many killers defend their actions by saying they did what they thought was right? I would expect most people in the course of doing their job have done something they might not consider to be 'right'. Most of us need a job and this becomes a necessary conflict one must deal with internally. We can't all sit at home and claim benefits. The generalisation (and implied criticism) of someone who has done these difficult things often 'in the line of duty', is a principle one can afford to adopt when they don't work for their money! There is much more to this of course - including 2 further issues: - 1) how far is it acceptable to do something you consider 'wrong' just because its your job? 2) An individual 'wrong' act - can have an overall 'good' outcome ie the bigger picture - breaking eggs to make an omelette and 3) is any act purely good or purely bad/ right or wrong? Do these absolutes exist in our world? Finally - yet another gun-related death in the States
Charl91 Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 I think you have to be at least a little mentally on edge to take up a career like that. I can't really comment on whether what he did was right or wrong, because I don't know whether the people he killed deserved it. I hope they did, but you can never be sure. If by killing 250 scumbags he saved thousands of innocent lives, then personally I would have no complaints, but morally it's a very debatable subject. Either way, it's a shame to survive the war and then to go out like this.
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