foxfanazer Posted 14 February 2013 Posted 14 February 2013 Like many have said, he's a very good player and has great work rate. That said I still think I could name 20 players at least in the world that are better than him. I voted over rated just because of how the media bang on about him
Haydos Posted 14 February 2013 Posted 14 February 2013 Utd have definitely got value for money on him. A fantastic, versatile, technically gifted, hard working player, even if he hasn't gone on to be one of the best in the world. Considering other 30m transfers they got a steal.
Dan Posted 14 February 2013 Posted 14 February 2013 This post I disagree with less. He scores a ton in big premier league games. I can think of lots of goals Vs Chelsea, Arsenal(where I think he has a record of some sort) and even Man City with 2 Vital goals this season as well as a pretty decent goal a few seasons ago(wasnt it voted the best goal in premier league history?). In fact in terms of his Man Utd form I think hes very underrated. For England he hasnt produced his best and his comment vs Algeria infuriated me "Nice to hear english fans booing" however 33 goals in 79 caps is not too shabby either! Overall to sum it up, Rooney is a pretty outstanding player, although I cant agree more that he isnt used properly. He isnt used like "the main man" role..hes always a number 2 to Van Persie or Ronaldo or whoever else the media brown nose's. Majority of players actually dont perform when not in the spot light, however Rooney keeps going with 10+ goals in every season at Man Utd Including 2 with 26 & 27 goals, which is rather impressive. Stats dont lie and his stats stand up to almost anyone. I think the fact people seem to think hes "over rated"or "not as good as before" is because the way he used to run and rip a new a** to any defender he came up against(Remember Vs Turkey in 2004?) Also the entire euro 2004...however his longetivity is still class. The last bit though, why did he lose that? He was far more effective. He's still easily England's best attacking outlet and I will have to admit I probably allow my view on him for England to cloud a lot of what he does for Man Utd, but the consensus with most fans is that he's world class, and as I believe he falls short of that, that makes him over-rated.
Dan Posted 14 February 2013 Posted 14 February 2013 Certainly a very good player, who could play in any position. I've always thought that there are players better than him, but he is always seen as the '3rd best player behind Messi and Ronaldo' due to the media probably. Don't think he should be called the player that England always rely on either, but again that's the media. On the football pitch though, he gives 100% every game, which as a football fan, I want to see. 3rd best behind Messi/Ronaldo is laughable. I'd rank him behind a fair few including a lot of forwards, such as Ibrahimovic, Falcao & Cavani.
Finnegan Posted 14 February 2013 Posted 14 February 2013 3rd best behind Messi/Ronaldo is laughable. I'd rank him behind a fair few including a lot of forwards, such as Ibrahimovic, Falcao & Cavani. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fGnREPs3Kg
Leicester Piggott Posted 14 February 2013 Posted 14 February 2013 He's a very good player who is overrated in some quarters and underrated in others. He is very capable though - but too many expect him to be what he is not. I personally think he's shown himself to be a very good all round footballer with some exceptional areas of his game. He has played in just about every forward role for United, out wide, the goalscoring centre forward, the number 10 as well as more deep lying roles.
Guesty Posted 14 February 2013 Posted 14 February 2013 He's a good player who can play almost everywhere - and against a poorer opposition he looks very good. But if you put him in a big game he bottles it, which is why I don't think he's world-class. How can you be world-class if everytime you play a big game for your country or a big European tie for your club you go missing? People will say he plays out of position and they have a point but if you watched last nights game he couldn't even make simple passes. I think it's mostly mental. He knows he has the tag of big game bottler so it affects his performance from the off. I think he has the skills to be world-class but not the mentality.
Fox92 Posted 14 February 2013 Posted 14 February 2013 3rd best behind Messi/Ronaldo is laughable. I'd rank him behind a fair few including a lot of forwards, such as Ibrahimovic, Falcao & Cavani. Yeah, same. It wasn't me saying that, I was just saying what I thought a lot of people thought.
Carl the Llama Posted 14 February 2013 Posted 14 February 2013 He's better than most, but he certainly isn't the messiah that many make him out to be.
Guest ttfn Posted 14 February 2013 Posted 14 February 2013 He's a good player who can play almost everywhere - and against a poorer opposition he looks very good. But if you put him in a big game he bottles it, which is why I don't think he's world-class. How can you be world-class if everytime you play a big game for your country or a big European tie for your club you go missing? People will say he plays out of position and they have a point but if you watched last nights game he couldn't even make simple passes. I think it's mostly mental. He knows he has the tag of big game bottler so it affects his performance from the off. I think he has the skills to be world-class but not the mentality. This is just utter rubbish. I can't be bothered posting it yet again but in one of the threads about Rooney I put a list of all the goals he's scored in big games during his United career. It's staggering. 2 more away at Man City this year too. I think he's on the way down but there's no doubt in my mind that he's in the top 25 in the world. Back in 2009/10 there was a four or five month spell where he looked like he could be Messi or Ronaldo's equal. Sadly whereas they kicked on, his individual skill (so frequently sacrificed for the good of the team) seems to have faded. The two seasons in which the United side had been built around Rooney he's scored well over 30 goals. In each of the other seasons he's played a critical role in United's enduring success with his flexibility, work rate and sheer ability. In what has been a very good generation of English footballers, he has been the stand out.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 15 February 2013 Posted 15 February 2013 Yeah... The one world class thinh he has done. Dan is right they've tried to make him something he never was going to be. Had it paid off we would have seen a complete player. But its not, and he has gone backwards. I remember his outrageous England debut and hes just gone backwards. Hes not so bad for man utd though even then he still gives the ball away or kicks it out of play far more than most players. This video proves hes an amazing striker of the ball, so why the fook does any manager want to find him at right back all too often trying to win the ball? Its when playing deep that he gives the ball away most often as well. He nevee will be world class
The Year Of The Fox Posted 15 February 2013 Posted 15 February 2013 30 odd goals for England? How many has he scored against the likes of Andorra, Estonia, Slovenia etc? People need to listen a tad less to SSN and learn to make their own mind up. I genuinely think we'd have beaten Italy in june had roy dropped him. See how englands performances declined as soon as he came back?no coincidence
Langston Posted 15 February 2013 Posted 15 February 2013 The one world class thinh he has done. Are you real? If he was anything other than consistently good do you think the greatest manager in the history of world football would nigh on mould a team round him? The guy scored a hat trick on his Champions League debut and an over-head kick voted greatest/most important goal in Premier League history. In two of the past four seasons he's managed 25+ goals in the league alone, what on Earth in your mind constitutes a world class striker if that doesn't?! Ask United fans their verdict on Rooney and I think you'll find the response to be almost overwhelmingly positive. Too many form opinions on tabloid spin and England performances - and not many have exactly 'shone' in recent years have they? He gets a bigger hiding from the public by comparison to others in the national set up because of the expectation heaped upon him - the reason he has that expectation? He's still ****ing quality.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 15 February 2013 Posted 15 February 2013 Are you real? If he was anything other than consistently good do you think the greatest manager in the history of world football would nigh on mould a team round him? The guy scored a hat trick on his Champions League debut and an over-head kick voted greatest/most important goal in Premier League history. In two of the past four seasons he's managed 25+ goals in the league alone, what on Earth in your mind constitutes a world class striker if that doesn't?! Ask United fans their verdict on Rooney and I think you'll find the response to be almost overwhelmingly positive. Too many form opinions on tabloid spin and England performances - and not many have exactly 'shone' in recent years have they? He gets a bigger hiding from the public by comparison to others in the national set up because of the expectation heaped upon him - the reason he has that expectation? He's still ****ing quality. Forgot about his overhead kick admittedely. There is no way he has fulfilled his potential, no way at all. And no noone from England has particularly shone, but no other player is anywhere nearly as overhyped as him. Yhe reason hes overhyped? SSN+lazy teenagers
Langston Posted 15 February 2013 Posted 15 February 2013 30 odd goals for England? How many has he scored against the likes of Andorra, Estonia, Slovenia etc? As many as he's scored against semi-decent sides. Argentina, Holland, Russia, Switzerland, Croatia, Ukraine....
The Year Of The Fox Posted 15 February 2013 Posted 15 February 2013 As many as he's scored against semi-decent sides. Argentina, Holland, Russia, Switzerland, Croatia, Ukraine.... Would love to see an exact breakdown. Also too, an additional bit showing of it was at tournament level, qualifier or friendly
Langston Posted 15 February 2013 Posted 15 February 2013 Forgot about his overhead kick admittedely. There is no way he has fulfilled his potential, no way at all. And no noone from England has particularly shone, but no other player is anywhere nearly as overhyped as him. Yhe reason hes overhyped? SSN+lazy teenagers Ah, you're another of the 'I H8 SKY SPORTS NEWS' brigade. He's not over-hyped, he's billed as our best hope of reaching respectable stages in tournaments because given when he's on song he's England's most effective player, coupled with the fact he's consistently excellent for one of (if not the) biggest club side in the world. Since '04 his showing in international tournaments has been poor - England fans single out and target brightest hope for under performing - Subsequently make up minds that he's not actually that good, completely disregarding stats and whatever he achieves at club level for the sake of pride. Sounds about right.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 15 February 2013 Posted 15 February 2013 1 6 September 2003 Gradski Stadium, Skopje, Republic of Macedonia Macedonia 2 10 September 2003 Old Trafford, Manchester, England Liechtenstei 3 16 November 2003 Old Trafford, Manchester, England Denmar 4 5 June 2004 City of Manchester Stadium, Manchester, England Iceland 5 5 June 2004 Old Trafford, Manchester, England Iceland 6 17 June 2004 Estádio Cidade de Coimbra, Coimbra, Portugal Switzerland 7 17 June 2004 Estádio Cidade de Coimbra, Coimbra, Portugal Switzerland 8 21 June 2004 Estádio da Luz, Lisbon, Portugal Croatia 9 21 June 2004 Estádio da Luz, Lisbon, Portugal Croatia 10 17 August 2005 Parken Stadion, Copenhagen, Denmark Denmar 11 12 November 2005 Stade de Genève, Geneva, Switzerland Argentina 12 15 November 2006 Amsterdam ArenA, Amsterdam, Netherlands Netherlands 13 13 October 2007 Wembley Stadium, London, England Estonia 14 17 October 2007 Luzhniki Stadium, Moscow, Russia Russia 15 10 September 2008 Maksimir Stadium, Zagreb, Croatia Croatia 16 12 October 2008 Wembley Stadium, London, England Kazakhstan 17 12 October 2008 Wembley Stadium, London, England Kazakhstan 18 15 October 2008 Dinamo Stadium, Minsk, Belarus Belarus 19 15 October 2008 Dinamo Stadium, Minsk, Belarus Belarus 20 28 March 2009 Wembley Stadium, London, England Slovakia 21 28 March 2009 Wembley Stadium, London, England Slovakia 22 6 June 2009 Almaty Central Stadium, Almaty, Kazakhstan Kazakhstan 23 10 June 2009 Wembley Stadium, London, England Andorra 24 10 June 2009 Wembley Stadium, London, England Andorra 25 9 September 2009 Wembley Stadium, London, England Croatia 26 7 September 2010 St. Jakob-Park, Basel, Switzerland Switzerland 27 2 September 2011 Vasil Levski National Stadium, Sofia, Bulgaria Bulgaria 28 2 September 2011 Vasil Levski National Stadium, Sofia, Bulgaria Bulgaria 29 19 June 2012 Donbass Arena, Donetsk, Ukraine Ukraine 30 12 October 2012 Wembley Stadium, London, England San Marino 31 12 October 2012 Wembley Stadium, London, England San Marino 32 17 October 2012 National Stadium, Warsaw, Poland Poland 33 6 February 2013 Wembley Stadium, London, England Brazil
Langston Posted 15 February 2013 Posted 15 February 2013 Which exactly proves my point... Honestly, arguments like this make me want to pour anthrax powder on my cornflakes rather than milk.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 15 February 2013 Posted 15 February 2013 I was fairly sure he'd never scored against the Dutch edit i was wrong. No spain, no Italy, no France. Argentina granted, and Id say Croatia and Switzerland were fairly crap in 04-06 So we have brazil, argentina, holland and Croatia 08-09. Its hardly outstanding. I think those goals were all in friendlies bar the Croatia
Guest ttfn Posted 15 February 2013 Posted 15 February 2013 TYOTF why are you just focussing on England? Rooney has routinely affected big games in the Premier League and the latter stages of the Champions League.
Guest MattP Posted 15 February 2013 Posted 15 February 2013 Are you real? If he was anything other than consistently good do you think the greatest manager in the history of world football would nigh on mould a team round him? Wow behave! No doubting Fergie is a domestic genius and one of the finest managers to grace this country but best of all time?! If he was that they would have more than two European Cups from the last 25 years with the talent they have had. Paisley won three in half the time. If Mourinho carries on at the rate he is he'll have 25 league titles and 8 Champions Leagues by the time he is Alex's age.
Milton Keynes Fox Posted 15 February 2013 Posted 15 February 2013 People base Wayne Rooney's game on his goal scoring ability, when he doesn't score and Van Persie is no one even mentions him, especially when he's been so used to be number one at United. But he is number 2 striker at united and still scores goals which i think is really good, he isn't even played as a striker anymore, he's always more of a CAM/CF role. His passing ability is second to none, his technique is second to none, and he has the ability to make something out of nothing. Remember his overhead kick against city, that was unreal. When he hits a cross field ball with back spin and it lands right at Valencias feet for example, you can see that he really is a technically great footballer. However as he gets older i think he will drop further and further back on the pitch and will become a CM.
leicesterlad1989 Posted 15 February 2013 Posted 15 February 2013 Not really too bothered what he does for United but as an England fan I don't believe he has reached his potential. The Euros in 2004 (?) he was class until he was injured. Don't get me wrong he is a very good player and if capable of magic but not often enough. Always seems to fade away on the big stage....having said that, so do all the England players.
Uncle Albert Posted 15 February 2013 Posted 15 February 2013 Your pile of shite i can't be arsed to have quote. Is it Rooney's fault who England draw in World Cup groups or qualification? The only top teams we have played at a major tournament have been Portugal, Germany and Italy. Portugal he got injured and sent off. 2004 he got injured v Portugal, after he had been our best player going into that 1/4 Final. 2006 World Cup he was never fit. 2008 England didn't qualify and Rooney played 5 of the qualifiers and scored 2, wasn't great. 2010 World Cup he didn't score, England just made it out the group and lost to Germany 4-1 BUT in the qualifying Rooney was England's top scorer and was brilliant scoring 9 goals in 9 games. BUT I don't see why you have based your whole argument on Rooney solely on International Football? Rooney has a better goal to game ratio than Ronaldo and Messi at International Level? And Rooney has played more games than Messi. Look at what he has achieved at Man United? He's been at Manchester United for 9 years and he is only 27! Averages better than a goal a game for United in the League. Won everything he can in Club Football. Looks set to break every England record there is available. To say he is overrated is ridiculous. Some people really do need to do a bit of research before coming out with drivel.
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