David Milliband

[scottthefox]

Should be Labour leader. End of

People only say this because he is closer to Blair than his brother. If you think historically in terms of Labour leaders then Ed fits the bill far more than David, hence why the party members voted him in.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Name a British politician these days that isn't.

This

[Raj]

Ed Balls is the biggest c.unt of all em

[Finnegan]

Erm, by orator I mean orator. I'm not defending him in any other sense, I'm merely implying the man can give a speech, hammy or otherwise.

Nigel Farage?

He said politician.

[ADK]

Who gives a flying **** if the PM is charismatic, i'd much rather a seemingly dull boring PM with a solid career history than some professional bullshitter. This is why i hate democracy.

[lavrentis]

He said politician.

yh m8 he aint one is he

[Finnegan]

yh m8 he aint one is he

I'm not quite sure what you mean to imply by responding in chav.

Though Farage is a clown. He spouts populist rhetoric for ignorant Europhobics looking to scapegoat for our current situation. He's less qualified to govern than Clegg and he was found out rather cruelly.

Farage spews what he knows a frustrated percentage of the population want to hear, safe in the knowledge he'll never have to back it up by being in power. He's just a more marginal Griffin.

You'll grow out of your obsession with him sooner or later, probably to become a Tory voter like every other mature Euroskeptic.

[lavrentis]

I'm not quite sure what you mean to imply by responding in chav.

Though Farage is a clown. He spouts populist rhetoric for ignorant Europhobics looking to scapegoat for our current situation. He's less qualified to govern than Clegg and he was found out rather cruelly.

Farage spews what he knows a frustrated percentage of the population want to hear, safe in the knowledge he'll never have to back it up by being in power. He's just a more marginal Griffin.

You'll grow out of your obsession with him sooner or later, probably to become a Tory voter like every other mature Euroskeptic.

Not sure why I responded in chav but felt it was apt as it was rather silly of you saying he is not a politician.

Dont know how I am obsessed with him though I do think he is a good politician and actually stands for what he believes in.

Like you say a large part of the population get his message though and UKIP's support is growing rapidly.

And I don't know why you are bringing my personal politics into it but who knows I might vote tory later later in my life or I might vote labour but right now, the Tories and Cameron are not that Eurosceptic at all which is why some conservative members are defecting to UKIP.

I would be offended by your tone but I think the general opinion of the country is now eurosceptic and UKIP are far beyond what they were a few years ago.

[Alf Bentley]

Erm, by orator I mean orator. I'm not defending him in any other sense, I'm merely implying the man can give a speech, hammy or otherwise.

You've got me resorting to the Oxford English Dictionary now...

- Orator: "An eloquent [expressive, persuasive] public speaker"

- Sophist: "A person using clever but fallacious arguments; a specious reasoner, a casuist"

- Specious: "Superficially genuine or correct but in reality wrong or false; misleadingly sound or convincing"

- Casuist: "A person who resolves cases of conscience by the application of general rules to particular instances"

So, Blair was a convincing but specious orator much given to sophistry and casuistry.

I, on the other hand, am a boring, pompous pedant - and a thirsty one. Pub time!

[flowwolf]

Are you serious?

He's far more charismatic than his brother and the majority of politicians you will hear speak today. I don't know much about his ideas and thinking but whenever I heard him speak a few years ago I always thought of him as a really enthusiastic man who wanted to help people - something that people feel that our political representatives today really lack.

Hang on he is / was Labour and you call him Charsmatic ? He was like his brother born into wealth that no working class people can have an understanding of. Only people who already have plenty want to " help people " there is no difference between Mps of long ago and Mp's of today , they are in it for their own enrichment first and last.

All he is doing is cashing in on his " could have been a contender" ticket and also the Brother of the opposition leader.

As a working class man you have absolutley nothing in common with this socialist millionair.

[Finnegan]

Not sure why I responded in chav but felt it was apt as it was rather silly of you saying he is not a politician.

Dont know how I am obsessed with him though I do think he is a good politician and actually stands for what he believes in.

Like you say a large part of the population get his message though and UKIP's support is growing rapidly.

And I don't know why you are bringing my personal politics into it but who knows I might vote tory later later in my life or I might vote labour but right now, the Tories and Cameron are not that Eurosceptic at all which is why some conservative members are defecting to UKIP.

I would be offended by your tone but I think the general opinion of the country is now eurosceptic and UKIP are far beyond what they were a few years ago.

boy you're in for a shock come general election.

I'm sure they'll get a "worryingly" large protest vote to give the Tories the willies but there's a massive difference between popularity in polls at this point in a term and actual results come voting time. He's being talked about now because it sells papers, it sells news stories, it's interesting to ham up his level of influence in the news media.

But his brand of rhetoric doesn't get you anything substantial in politics.

Come crunch time the majority of the population will, as ever, vote with their wallets first and their ethics second. Nobody's going to sincerely want UKIP to run the country or have any influence at all over our economy.

They'll be another much-hyped flop, like the years we've been given the eebie-jeebies by the rising BNP or the last election's big "oh the Lib Dems might do well!" because Clegg gave a couple of tidy debates. TIt for tat.

[sdb]

Ed Balls is the biggest c.unt of all em

not familiar with Michael Gove then...

DM would be my choice for Labour Leader. The tories shouldn't be in with a chance in the next election and they are, which is pretty damning for Ed Milliband.

[lavrentis]

boy you're in for a shock come general election.

I'm sure they'll get a "worryingly" large protest vote to give the Tories the willies but there's a massive difference between popularity in polls at this point in a term and actual results come voting time. He's being talked about now because it sells papers, it sells news stories, it's interesting to ham up his level of influence in the news media.

But his brand of rhetoric doesn't get you anything substantial in politics.

Come crunch time the majority of the population will, as ever, vote with their wallets first and their ethics second. Nobody's going to sincerely want UKIP to run the country or have any influence at all over our economy.

They'll be another much-hyped flop, like the years we've been given the eebie-jeebies by the rising BNP or the last election's big "oh the Lib Dems might do well!" because Clegg gave a couple of tidy debates. TIt for tat.

Give me credit I'm not deluded, there is no way UKIP will form a government. Doesn't mean anyone shouldn't vote for them though and doesn't mean anyone should write them off?

Yeah it might sell papers but the past few by-elections have given enough reason for people not to dismiss UKIP. Even UKIP acknowledges that some of that was a protest vote but when they were canvassing at Eastleigh they got a good reception and got a good result.

I don't think the BNP have ever polled as high as UKIP are so a slightly odd comparison there? Why do you keep comparing UKIP to the BNP and not other small parties like the Greens?

Like I say I am not expecting a UKIP government although I do think Farage will be elected into Westminster, anything less will be a disapointment. Either way, you do understate the impact they have had recently on the tories.

[21st Century Fox]

Give me credit I'm not deluded, there is no way UKIP will form a government. Doesn't mean anyone shouldn't vote for them though and doesn't mean anyone should write them off?

Yeah it might sell papers but the past few by-elections have given enough reason for people not to dismiss UKIP. Even UKIP acknowledges that some of that was a protest vote but when they were canvassing at Eastleigh they got a good reception and got a good result.

I don't think the BNP have ever polled as high as UKIP are so a slightly odd comparison there? Why do you keep comparing UKIP to the BNP and not other small parties like the Greens?

Like I say I am not expecting a UKIP government although I do think Farage will be elected into Westminster, anything less will be a disapointment. Either way, you do understate the impact they have had recently on the tories.

The Green's political existence isn't based on riding the coat tails of an economic downturn and the need for scapegoating like other fringe parties.

[lavrentis]

The Green's political existence isn't based on riding the coat tails of an economic downturn and the need for scapegoating like other fringe parties.

Whilst they have increased in popularity in the past few years, UKIP have existed since 1993 campaigning on their single issue of the EU.

[21st Century Fox]

Whilst they have increased in popularity in the past few years, UKIP have existed since 1993 campaigning on their single issue of the EU.

By existence I meant visibility or popularity.

[Webbo]

The Green's political existence isn't based on riding the coat tails of an economic downturn and the need for scapegoating like other fringe parties.

They don't blame big business for all the worlds ills then?

The green increased their vote in the last with middle class Labour voters who were too embarrassed to vote for Gordon Brown and wouldn't be caught dead voting tory.

[21st Century Fox]

They don't blame big business for all the worlds ills then?

The green increased their vote in the last with middle class Labour voters who were too embarrassed to vote for Gordon Brown and wouldn't be caught dead voting tory.

But The Greens are a modern, fringe political mainstay that have kept ticking over in many countries around the World in some form. Fringe right parties tend to grow and are born through economic strife. The Greens tend to be eurosceptic as well interestingly.

[Jon the Hat]

The current band of MPs whatever their political persuasion must be the most bland, forgettable and uninspiring bunch I've seen in my life time.

This is what happens when you castigate poloticians for getting things wrong. No one has all the answers so you end up with squeaky clean nobodies with few ideas.

[Harry - LCFC]

Hang on he is / was Labour and you call him Charsmatic ? He was like his brother born into wealth that no working class people can have an understanding of. Only people who already have plenty want to " help people " there is no difference between Mps of long ago and Mp's of today , they are in it for their own enrichment first and last.

All he is doing is cashing in on his " could have been a contender" ticket and also the Brother of the opposition leader.

As a working class man you have absolutley nothing in common with this socialist millionair.

I don't believe that's always the case. There are plenty of jobs that pay far higher than an MP's salary so why not go into those professions?

I think people look at others and are too quick to label them "out of touch" because they're wealthy. Sometimes these people want to give something back, I imagine Winston Churchill was a wealthy man too - I know he's an exceptional example but doesn't it just show that you can be wealthy and care about your fellow man?

[davieG]

This is what happens when you castigate poloticians for getting things wrong. No one has all the answers so you end up with squeaky clean nobodies with few ideas.

I agree I have no problems with them changing their minds about something it shows they care and requires a different kind of strength to admit something isn't working. Probably why I didn't like Thatcher and her not for turning stubborness even when it was obvious something wasn't right.

[Jon the Hat]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/9957008/David-Miliband-a-colossus-Hes-a-greedy-failure-in-a-cosmic-sulk.html

Heehee

[flowwolf]

http://www.telegraph...osmic-sulk.html

Heehee

As hatchet jobs go that's one of the best I have ever read.

[ACF]

Yep bring back the 80's politicians at least you knew where you stood with them. These are bland days indeed.

It's not just the UK though. Australia's politicians wont stop arguing with each other (doesn't matter if they're the same party or not), and Gillard's trying to force crap laws through just so she can say she got something done.