Guest Col city fan Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 Two excellent posts that I fully agree with. As Dan said, there's been a feeling that the fans, even when we were winning and playing well, were not fully behind it all and ready to pounce on any slight mistake. I had a feeling that the good runs were not being enjoyed, which is a shame and will no doubt happen again next season. And indierich sums it up. Sven didn't do it, Pearson isn't doing it, that's all there is to it. Hopefully next season we have the right man in charge and we can forget about what has happened before. As I said to Babylon yesterday. If the fans were hesitant to become exuberant even when we were playing well, it's understandable. There have been too many false dawns at the club, too many hopes raised to then become dashed. And it looks like it's gonna happen again. It will take a very good manager and some success to really overcome this reticence to begin hoping again. Over-expectation and successive failure has led, I'm afraid, to the City fans becoming a sceptical bunch.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 As I said to Babylon yesterday. If the fans were hesitant to become exuberant even when we were playing well, it's understandable. There have been too many false dawns at the club, too many hopes raised to then become dashed. And it looks like it's gonna happen again. It will take a very good manager and some success to really overcome this reticence to begin hoping again. Over-expectation and successive failure has led, I'm afraid, to the City fans becoming a sceptical bunch. Fair post Col Got to say for all our critics I thought second half against Brum our lot really got behind the team and there was no negativity at all. Still think generally we have a great set of away fans and even watching this current team we get 20'000 plus at home which I think is terrific in these austere times
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 Fair post Col Got to say for all our critics I thought second half against Brum our lot really got behind the team and there was no negativity at all. Still think generally we have a great set of away fans and even watching this current team we get 20'000 plus at home which I think is terrific in these austere times I've made it clear mate that I have always and still do consider City fans to be amongst the very best. Especially away, we continue to travel with spirit and hope. It's about time somebody gave us all something to really get passionate about and, more importantly, to sustain it. All we want is to see the team really showing marked signs of improvement. The recent performances have, unfortunately, made many of us simply think 'oh shit, here we go again'. And that's an attitude which is hard to turnaround quickly I'm afraid. That doesn't make us 'bad fans' or 'passionless fans', it's just the result of ten years without any real success to show for it.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 I've made it clear mate that I have always and still do consider City fans to be amongst the very best. Especially away, we continue to travel with spirit and hope. It's about time somebody gave us all something to really get passionate about and, more importantly, to sustain it. All we want is to see the team really showing marked signs of improvement. The recent performances have, unfortunately, made many of us simply think 'oh shit, here we go again'. And that's an attitude which is hard to turnaround quickly I'm afraid. That doesn't make us 'bad fans' or 'passionless fans', it's just the result of ten years without any real success to show for it. Very much agree Col
Dan Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 Yes. It absolutely is a case of blaming Sven for his transfer policies and whoever was in charge of our finances. The way he went about his business was a complete and utter joke! Pearson inherited a squad which although there were some decent additions with Nugent, Kasper and Konchesky, there were several very average players too who were earning far, far too much in comparison with their respective abilities. Nigel came in and inherited this squad and so when January eventually came, he was able to make a few additions. But as a club, we really couldn't afford to adopt the same, ridiculous mentality that we did in the previous transfer window. When listening to his interviews, he makes a very valid point about going for decent players if they're available at the right price, he isn't the sort of person who is going to just completely waste money here and there just for the sake of it. He always tries to ensure that we get value for money. Okay Vardy hasn't been a great example of this but that is an exception to the rule. So he did have 33 games, but those games were with someone else's very poorly assembled squad which left a massive weight around our necks in terms of the wage budget. Thankfully, we've managed to lift alot of the weight off but it's still there and still impacted us during that season and probably this season to a certain extent. I'm sure that Nigel would've strengthened the squad further if he had the resource to do so this season, but it's also about building a squad and he has done that. I honestly believe that keeping everything as it is and giving it time to improve next season is the best move our club can make at this time. Our big opportunity as a football club to build a side that would be capable of promotion and sustaining some success in the Premier League came in the summer of 2011 as Dan alluded to. Unfortunately, as a football club, we made a monumental f**k up of it, primarily thanks to our short term mentality. With the right people in charge at that time, we could've looked out for better players who would represent much, much better value for money and probably be in a much better position right now too. That season has held us back but we are currently still on the right track. Having more managerial changes is more likely to completely de-rail any progress we've made rather than enhance it. Better than any argument I've put up for keeping Pearson. I can see both sides of it, but this post is absolutely spot on.
Corky Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 As I said to Babylon yesterday. If the fans were hesitant to become exuberant even when we were playing well, it's understandable. There have been too many false dawns at the club, too many hopes raised to then become dashed. And it looks like it's gonna happen again. It will take a very good manager and some success to really overcome this reticence to begin hoping again. Over-expectation and successive failure has led, I'm afraid, to the City fans becoming a sceptical bunch. It's not about being exuberant, it's about not being so miserable when we are playing well. Moaning at 6-0 up v Ipswich, moaning at 6-1 v Huddersfield, 4-0 v Bristol City- if you can't enjoy those games when can you enjoy it? It's pathetic.
Dan Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 That's actually not a bad shout at all. He took over a Norwich side near the bottom of League One and took them to the Premiership, keeping them there comfortably, in successive seasons. This. He plays very attacking football too, that Norwich display away at us was one of the best I've seen at this level, how they only won 2-3 was beyond me.
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 Yes. It absolutely is a case of blaming Sven for his transfer policies and whoever was in charge of our finances. The way he went about his business was a complete and utter joke! Pearson inherited a squad which although there were some decent additions with Nugent, Kasper and Konchesky, there were several very average players too who were earning far, far too much in comparison with their respective abilities. Nigel came in and inherited this squad and so when January eventually came, he was able to make a few additions. But as a club, we really couldn't afford to adopt the same, ridiculous mentality that we did in the previous transfer window. When listening to his interviews, he makes a very valid point about going for decent players if they're available at the right price, he isn't the sort of person who is going to just completely waste money here and there just for the sake of it. He always tries to ensure that we get value for money. Okay Vardy hasn't been a great example of this but that is an exception to the rule. So he did have 33 games, but those games were with someone else's very poorly assembled squad which left a massive weight around our necks in terms of the wage budget. Thankfully, we've managed to lift alot of the weight off but it's still there and still impacted us during that season and probably this season to a certain extent. I'm sure that Nigel would've strengthened the squad further if he had the resource to do so this season, but it's also about building a squad and he has done that. I honestly believe that keeping everything as it is and giving it time to improve next season is the best move our club can make at this time. Our big opportunity as a football club to build a side that would be capable of promotion and sustaining some success in the Premier League came in the summer of 2011 as Dan alluded to. Unfortunately, as a football club, we made a monumental f**k up of it, primarily thanks to our short term mentality. With the right people in charge at that time, we could've looked out for better players who would represent much, much better value for money and probably be in a much better position right now too. That season has held us back but we are currently still on the right track. Having more managerial changes is more likely to completely de-rail any progress we've made rather than enhance it. I see this post quite contrary to Dan. I absolutely agree that Sven damaged the club considerably and was allowed to. And I also agree that Pearson has been quite ruthless in shipping out the players he didn't consider to be value for money (most notably Mills, Beckford and Danns). However, the rest comes across to me as yet another poor excuse. If you look at the teams above us in the table they have no more money (in some cases considerably less) than we have and their managers have had less time to re-shape their respective squads than Pearson has had. Take Forest for example. They have been in complete disarray. Managerial changes, few funds with which to strengthen their squad yet somehow, Billy Davies has been able to pull it out the bag, at least so far. The two managers at Palace this season have had Fook all to spend, yet in Glenn Murray they have been able to deliver football that has got him leading the Championship for goal-scoring stats. Bolton are apparently massively in debt, yet somehow appear to have times their run perfectly and are now the form team coming into the run-in. Bruce at Hull has had less time and no more resources than Leicester but it appears that he is going to take them up at his first attempt. Pearson didn't inherit a squad in disarray. Nugent, Konch, Kasper, King.. All proven players at this level. He hasn't exactly not spent any money either. Knocky didn't come cheap, Vardy looks like money appallingly spent, Drinky wasn't signed for Peanuts and Wood was another million. The best value for money player, by a country mile, has had to be Morgan... Possibly Pearson's best ever signing. The others haven't exactly yet set the world alight, in fact Knocky, Drinkwater and Marshall look a shadow of the players we thought they were. So, to adumbrate, I do agree with you to some extent but I also feel that you are clutching at straws in other respects. To not make the play-offs given the time, resources and existing squad that Pearson inherited is failure IMO. I think most people, if truth be told, would too feel this. I predicted 7th at the start of the season, primarily because I thought Pearson had bought signings which lacked enough quality. So personally, I'm not surprised. But, and it's an important but, I think we could have certainly made play-offs with just another couple of quality players at this level.. Something I've alluded to right from the first day. They were HIS signings and his alone. Another season? Well I don't know? I think some of the abject errors that Pearson has made this time round would fill me with apprehension should he stay on. And no amount of excuses (as I see them) changes my point of view on that.
Dan Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 Are you ****ing insane? Peter Taylor took a top ten, cup winning side and in 2 years we were in the first division, in administration and well and truly ****ed. He replaced Neil Lennon with JUNIOR ****ING LEWIS, Trevor Benjamin and Ade Akinbiyi to replace Emile Heskey (who left the previous season) AND Stan Collymore. I can only assume you are very young otherwise you have the IQ of a glass of water. This is one of the most idiotic posts I've ever read. I'm 19, so at the time I was quite young. You're probably right, but I'll stick Sven in second behind him.
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 I'm 19, so at the time I was quite young. You're probably right, but I'll stick Sven in second behind him. Not your best post ever Dan to be fair.. Taylor turned a great team into a pants one within a few months (again, backed by the board). Sven, though a charlatan, did improve upon Sousa.
Dan Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 Not your best post ever Dan to be fair.. My point stands though. Sven left us in an absolutely ridiculous mess. Two excellent posts that I fully agree with. As Dan said, there's been a feeling that the fans, even when we were winning and playing well, were not fully behind it all and ready to pounce on any slight mistake. I had a feeling that the good runs were not being enjoyed, which is a shame and will no doubt happen again next season. And indierich sums it up. Sven didn't do it, Pearson isn't doing it, that's all there is to it. Hopefully next season we have the right man in charge and we can forget about what has happened before. Nope. Even when we were right at the top there still wasn't something right about us, I'm very much in agreement that there were still plenty who wanted us to fail. Pearson's had to make some big decisions and I can sort of see why it's put fans off, but some seem well and truly hell bent on him failing. Whatever it is lingering over our support, it won't go until we're in the Premier IMO. It's hard to word this, but it just doesn't seem right.
dannythefox Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 Stick with him for now we might get lucky and get in the playoffs if we dont make the playoffs then I would look to replace him. He's nothing speical he's proven that with his tactics this season.
fleckneymike Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 I'm 19, so at the time I was quite young. You're probably right, but I'll stick Sven in second behind him. Then you are still a ****ing idiot. Pleat, McLintock, Allen, Taylor, Holloways FFS!
funkyrobot Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 Will those people who are desperate for Pearson to be sacked please come up with their replacement? A realistic replacement that is, so that wouldn't include the likes of Lennon, Di Matteo,MON who wouldn't come to city, or any manager who has taken a job in the last few days. It's no point demanding a sacking unless you've got a solution to the problem and there's certainly no point in swapping like for like.I haven't seen one suggestion as of yet that indicates that anyone's got a clue.
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 Will those people who are desperate for Pearson to be sacked please come up with their replacement? A realistic replacement that is, so that wouldn't include the likes of Lennon, Di Matteo,MON who wouldn't come to city, or any manager who has taken a job in the last few days. It's no point demanding a sacking unless you've got a solution to the problem and there's certainly no point in swapping like for like.I haven't seen one suggestion as of yet that indicates that anyone's got a clue. I do agree mate. Pearson worries me, for all the reasons I've given. But an obvious replacement isn't easy to discern. For that reason, we stick with him and hope.
Buzzell Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 Stick with him. There's not a lot of better options out there to be his replacement. I do feel he will be here next season. Give him 10 games next season, if we don't hit the ground running and don't improve, expect a change of manager.
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 When Pearson signed a contract I remember him saying he had a two year contract. If this is the case, he will be out of contract this summer. Leicester City has today announced that Nigel Pearson is the Club's new first-team manager.Pearson has signed a deal which will keep him at the Club until the end of the 2013/2014 season and will be joined by assistant managers Craig Shakespeare and Steve Walsh for the same period of time. http://web.archive.org/web/20120120073801/http://www.lcfc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10274~2516924,00.html
Happy Fox Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 Will those people who are desperate for Pearson to be sacked please come up with their replacement? A realistic replacement that is, so that wouldn't include the likes of Lennon, Di Matteo,MON who wouldn't come to city, or any manager who has taken a job in the last few days. It's no point demanding a sacking unless you've got a solution to the problem and there's certainly no point in swapping like for like.I haven't seen one suggestion as of yet that indicates that anyone's got a clue. Mark Hughes, Alan Curbishely and Mick McCarthy three candidates that would realistically come here and are significantly better than NP imo.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 Stick with him for now we might get lucky and get in the playoffs if we dont make the playoffs then I would look to replace him. He's nothing speical he's proven that with his tactics this season. This
ADK Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 Mark Hughes, Alan Curbishely and Mick McCarthy three candidates that would realistically come here and are significantly better than NP imo. Hughes isn't better than Pearson, he's a typical money waster with a mediocre record. Curbishley? Isn't he retired? Mick McCarthy perhaps, although i think it would more likely be a sideways step.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 Stick with him. There's not a lot of better options out there to be his replacement. I do feel he will be here next season. Give him 10 games next season, if we don't hit the ground running and don't improve, expect a change of manager. Not sure we should stick with him for first 10 games next season? Just really not sure
Happy Fox Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 Hughes isn't better than Pearson, he's a typical money waster with a mediocre record. Curbishley? Isn't he retired? Mick McCarthy perhaps, although i think it would more likely be a sideways step. Top 10 in the prem is mediocre come on lad wake up he would be far better option than NP only thing that doesn't count for him is he hasn't managed at this level but it shouldn't be hard for him. Curbishely hasn't retired yet, and Mick McCarthy isn't a sideways step he is proven manager at this level and in the prem by getting Sunderland and Wolves promotion.
ADK Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 Top 10 in the prem is mediocre come on lad wake up he would be far better option than NP only thing that doesn't count for him is he hasn't managed at this level but it shouldn't be hard for him. Curbishely hasn't retired yet, and Mick McCarthy isn't a sideways step he is proven manager at this level and in the prem by getting Sunderland and Wolves promotion. By that logic Sven is better than all of them, after all he's won European competitions and managed at international level. Hughes has never impressed me, i don't feel hes taken a team and really moved them forward. His best time was at Blackburn, after that he's seemed mediocre. I get the feeling if Hughes did come here he'd want to be paid a kings ransom and have a huge spending budget too. I feel safer with Pearson in charge, a man who's only ever made teams better.
Dan Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 Then you are still a ****ing idiot. Pleat, McLintock, Allen, Taylor, Holloways FFS! Can't comment on Pleat/McLintock. Allen & Holloway both left a mess, at least the majority of their signings weren't on absolutely silly money for this league, more than can be said for Sven.
fleckneymike Posted 14 April 2013 Posted 14 April 2013 Can't comment on Pleat/McLintock. Allen & Holloway both left a mess, at least the majority of their signings weren't on absolutely silly money for this league, more than can be said for Sven. Holloway left us in the wrong ****ing league for crying out loud! We'd never been outside the top two divisions in our entire history and that **** managed to take us down yet somehow he's not as bad as Sven! Martin (Mad Dog) Allen signed more right backs than the rest of the league put together whilst also racking up the biggest pre Sven debt ever so they weren't playing for sweets and pop. HE signed Segio Hellings (RIP), Cassino Jimmy, Hossan Kaebi, Carl Court... McLintock won 1 in 26, that's ONE IN TWENTY SIX!
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