Boston Marathon hit by explosions

[BoneDog]

I`v been flicking through all the news channels on me sky net for a while now and you wouldn`t believe the inconsistency on some topics

They have replaced religion with the media as a form of control for the masses.

I want to have the news on at the moment but my Mrs doesn't allow it for more than an hour a day!

Yeah with the help of the media they getting everybody scared up this century, that's for sure.

[BoneDog]

Welcome to the Future. 'Safe' America 2013-?

If y'all don't believe that this is the future USA.................just wait longer.

The extra security at the marathon didn't make anybody safer, and whether the lockdown of the city helped is heavily up for debate too. This looks more like the road to tyranny than the road to security to me.

[Jordan]

What did I say about this becoming the moon landing thread again? Oh, right...

[Mack]

CNN, who was reporting a brown-skinned male suspect was arrested and being taken to a federal courthouse on Wednesday...

There were photos posted of the aftermath of the gun fight in the streets of Watertown early Friday morning (which wasn't between the Tsarnaevs and "highly trained soldiers," but between them and 6-8 cops, with all but one patrol car--containing 2 cops, I assume--arriving hastily on the scene.) I would guess it is reasonable enough that the younger brother floored the gas and drove through, then set off on foot for a brief while under cover of darkness before finding a hiding place.

And as for the kid, the narrative being built is that it is the older brother that was the force behind the attacks--a former boxer that trains in mixed martial arts that, to be fair, would probably be the favorite against most of us in a fistfight. While the profile being built of him doesn't make him out to be a killing machine, he seems like a tough dude and also one that wasn't entirely well adjusted. It would seem more likely that he would have been the one doing most of the dirty work and the shooting, and he was the one that apparently was on foot running at the cops during the big shootout before being killed.

The younger brother's contributions so far seem to be placing one of the bombs, driving get-away vehicles, and lying in fetal position in a boat for a few hours--hardly the work of John Rambo.

Not all cell-phone service was shut down. I have a friend in Boston that was texting me on Monday afternoon and evening, also on Friday morning during the lock-down... UNLESS SHE REALLY WASN'T IN BOSTON AND IS IN ON THIS TOO!

One could easily take cell phone videos and post them to YouTube. Even if cell-phone service would have been down, every home pretty much has wi-fi, or you could just USB/Bluetooth it to a PC one way or another.

Yet apart from the sound of gun shots and bangs there is no video of his final moments, or any aspect of the shoot out.

Why would two young men who that by their own admission were "lucky" to live in America do that? Makes no sense.

[Jordan]

Yet apart from the sound of gun shots and bangs there is no video of his final moments, or any aspect of the shoot out.

Why would two young men who that by their own admission were "lucky" to live in America do that? Makes no sense.

Several photos--linked here, even--of the aftermath of the first shootout are available for anybody to see.

As for the final moments, there is video from a distance that shows about 8 seconds of gunfire. Remember that the area surrounding the final stand-off was sealed off by police, but there are photos of the suspect just moments after he was captured.

As for the artist formerly known as El Empty, since the lockdown, there were neither any further fatalities nor casualties, and the remaining at-large suspect was detained, so it appears that the lockdown was successful and effective. As for the rest of our resident crackpot's comments, they are not worth responses otherwise to say that he continues to demand a burden of proof that is absurd at best.

[flowwolf]

There is no doubt that this is yet another Islamic terror attack against the U.S. The Western world are now going to have no choice but to except the fact that the main threat to our freedom and way of life, will and is coming from the Islamic world.

Our biggest problem is these " sleepers " the one who pretend to embrace our way of life while all the while hating and loathing every thing about us. These two brothers were prime examples. And make no mistake there are plenty more to come.

[leicsmac]

There is no doubt that this is yet another Islamic terror attack against the U.S. The Western world are now going to have no choice but to except the fact that the main threat to our freedom and way of life, will and is coming from the Islamic world.

Our biggest problem is these " sleepers " the one who pretend to embrace our way of life while all the while hating and loathing every thing about us. These two brothers were prime examples. And make no mistake there are plenty more to come.

I must say that the prospect of continuous war against a nebulous and long-lasting threat really doesn't appeal to me, so I really hope you're wrong.

And I don't want to turn this into a religion thread, but these guys aren't Islamic nutters, they're extremist nutters. Or just nutters. But that's treading ground we've already covered in previous threads.

[Haydos]

Is that it then, that's the proof? There were 9000 armed men in the streets. It's not hard for a small group of them to pop a few rounds off here and there whilst everybody in the city is on lockdown, or nobody is in the vicinity.

No need to say that the military/police/ATF and whatnot would not lie or hurt their own people either. That arguement doesn't wash as I've seen plenty of evidence that some of them are literally crazy and love a bit of spilled blood on their own patch. Not just a little evidence, but alot. They're not all good peaceful citizens like most people are.

Of course, if you've got a picture or video of either of those lads firing shots at police and houses, I'll agree that they caused the holes. I'd still think they're patsy's though.

Why do you think literally every major bad event is a conspiracy. If it was the odd one that had some solid reasoning, motive, evidence and explanation it might be easier to pay attention to your waffling but it's just become the ramblings of a paranoid weirdo.

Are you like this in day to day life? Do you worry that people are out to wrong you or anything like that? Genuinely curious.

[Haydos]

Yes, apparently for more than a few hours while everybody else was ordered indoors. The only people outside were officials and press. There were lots of black helicopters in the air with allsorts of different cameras, plus 9000+ of the USA's 'finest' on patrol. (sorry but I have to put 'finest' in quote marks after these shenanigans)

Do you seriously believe that not one of those helicopters - with the best equipment available - were not able to spot a cowering boy when the rest of the population were indoors? He'd stick out like a sore thumb, and I'm sure any military or police folk know this. Heck, the local police helicopter around my way in England can spot a guy easily - even if he's hiding in a sewer pipe under a bridge

If somebody is underneath something they're not going to show up as a heat signature.

[Carl the Llama]

What did I say about this becoming the moon landing thread again? Oh, right...

Not the same thing at all.

This event happened.

[MooseBreath]

If somebody is underneath something they're not going to show up as a heat signature.

That would kind of defeat the object of thermal imaging cameras, wouldn't it? If you could just hide under a thin sheet to avoid detection.

Anyway, he showed up clear as day, as you can see here - http://www.bbc.co.uk...canada-22237501

I don't know how far away this boat was from the main search area, but I have to admit i find it astonishing that they didn't see him in there with the thermal imaging camera.

[Haydos]

That would kind of defeat the object of thermal imaging cameras, wouldn't it? If you could just hide under a thin sheet to avoid detection.

Anyway, he showed up clear as day, as you can see here - http://www.bbc.co.uk...canada-22237501

I don't know how far away this boat was from the main search area, but I have to admit i find it astonishing that they didn't see him in there with the thermal imaging camera.

My bad, wasn't really paying attention to that bit, didn't realise he was only under a sheet. Bit silly of him.

Looks like the chopper is flying quite low, might just be magnified though. I'm wondering why they hadn't tracked him from the start. I would have thought they'd have had a chopper camera on him throughout. Obviously I have no idea how difficult that is/the process behind it but you see it on police chase programmes where it isn't even a very high profile crime.

[Guest Bilo]

I must say that the prospect of continuous war against a nebulous and long-lasting threat really doesn't appeal to me, so I really hope you're wrong.

And I don't want to turn this into a religion thread, but these guys aren't Islamic nutters, they're extremist nutters. Or just nutters. But that's treading ground we've already covered in previous threads.

[Tom17LCFC]

That's made me laugh so much more than it should lol

[leicsmac]

Yeah, I thought about that one when I wrote my latest reply too. Disturbing.

[ADK]

Thermal imaging cameras are only really good if you know roughly where you are looking. Its not easy to search an entire city by helicopter. That's a large area. I don't know how a heavily wounded suspect managed to escape from a horde of armed police on foot. I don't really see what motive the police would have for losing him though.

[ADK]

Don't see why muslims are any worse than the IRA tbh.

[Jordan]

There is no doubt that this is yet another Islamic terror attack against the U.S. The Western world are now going to have no choice but to except the fact that the main threat to our freedom and way of life, will and is coming from the Islamic world.

Our biggest problem is these " sleepers " the one who pretend to embrace our way of life while all the while hating and loathing every thing about us. These two brothers were prime examples. And make no mistake there are plenty more to come.

White non-Muslim guys are still responsible for the biggest mass murders in my country with the exception of 9/11.

[BoneDog]

As for the final moments, there is video from a distance that shows about 8 seconds of gunfire. Remember that the area surrounding the final stand-off was sealed off by police, but there are photos of the suspect just moments after he was captured.

Yes, I've seen a photo of him climbing out of the boat, with no injuries. All of a sudden he's critical. Very convenient.

You and the other 'cheerers' in the US are going to be the downfall of the USA. I feel for the US citizens who love freedom and who don't want the country to go down. Keep bending over and before long you'll have no rights left laddo!

Why do you think literally every major bad event is a conspiracy.

I don't think every major event is a conspiracy. Did I say the Texas explosion was? The Boston malarkey is blatantly a conspiracy.

Have you not even questioned the 'undercover' guys all over the place just metres away from the 'suspects'? Or the colour of the suspects bags compared to the colour of the FBI's official photo of the bomb bag? If not, I pity you.

If it was the odd one that had some solid reasoning, motive, evidence and explanation it might be easier to pay attention to your waffling.

You really think the official narrative is a solid explanation? I pity you if so.

How long do you reckon you could lead SWAT/police/ATF/FBI and military on a manhunt for? After they've had you in their sights and shot you and have numerous choppers in the sky? If it was as easy as this lad made it seem (according to some), then why can't hardened criminals get away from two fat coppers with guns every day?

All they normally need to catch people is a news chopper and a couple of regular cops. This lad was some ninja/Rambo according to some of you lot. Perhaps the USA should ask him to train some of their people.

Are you like this in day to day life? Do you worry that people are out to wrong you or anything like that? Genuinely curious.

Yes I'm like this all day every day. I never make eye contact with anyone and I talk about the media and government non stop

Just incase anyone feels sorry for me, that was a lie.

I don't know how a heavily wounded suspect managed to escape from a horde of armed police on foot. I don't really see what motive the police would have for losing him though.

The police/SWAT didn't lose him. Somebody had a hold of him and they 'caught' him when they were supposed to - after the practice run city lockdown they had. More of those to come believe you me.

This lad has been set up and I feel sorry for him, the poor bastard.

[BoneDog]

Seriously, some of you lot are tapped!

[Jordan]

Seriously, some of you lot are tapped!

[flowwolf]

White non-Muslim guys are still responsible for the biggest mass murders in my country with the exception of 9/11.

That fact changes nothing I'm afraid.

[Vacamion]

The Boston malarkey is blatantly a conspiracy.

Do you know who conspired and what their aims were?

[Vardinhio]

I think people saying everything is a conspiracy is very disrespectful to those people that have died.

Also, most people that work for organisations such as the Police/MoD and equivalent are just normal people with normal families and lifes to lead, they arn't experts in covering things up and they arn't experts in mass killings and explosive engineering.

[BoneDog]

Do you know who conspired and what their aims were?

No, do you? Who do you think I am, Henry Kissinger or something?!

What I've said in a nutshell is this:

1. FBI bomb bag photo does not match either of the two suspects bags. The young lads bag was white, the older guys was grey.

2. I don't believe that the 19 year old student led the security forces and helicopters on a 12 hour manhunt.

3. There was a drill that involved much suspicious activity.

All 3 things, among others, are suspicious to me. If I ever hear or read anything that convinces me that the official narrative adds up, I'll say so.

On a side note, I bet you're enjoying all the msm coverage though! What, with being a Sam Harris fan and all that! Are you on board with the pre-emptive nuke call yet?

I think people saying everything is a conspiracy is very disrespectful to those people that have died.

Also, most people that work for organisations such as the Police/MoD and equivalent are just normal people with normal families and lifes to lead, they arn't experts in covering things up and they arn't experts in mass killings and explosive engineering.

I'm not being disrespectful to anybody who died. I felt sick as soon as I saw the blasts and my sympathies are with everyone involved. I feel exactly the same way about this atrocity as you and most other people do.

On the second point, I agree that 95+% of all security forces are totally innocent of any wrong doing. I've got/had family who are cops and soldiers so do know about much of the good they do. Doesn't mean I suddenly disregard the hundreds of cases of corruption and bloodshed from certain elements that I know about.

I think that every guy involved in the drills (that were publicly announced over loudspeakers before and during the marathon) are possibly not involved in the blasts, and have nothing to cover up. Not ruling it out though. It only takes 3 or 4 corrupt units out of a group of 1000 loyal and honourable units to cause chaos and confusion.