ADK Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 So people are just making a protest vote. UKIP probably won't win a single seat at the general election.
purpleronnie Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 So people are just making a protest vote. UKIP probably won't win a single seat at the general election. I think its more than that but fingers crossed.
lavrentis Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 So people are just making a protest vote. UKIP probably won't win a single seat at the general election. Cool story bro.
Manwell Pablo Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 And yet you can't even be bothered to let us gullible ****wits know just how stratospherically stupid we are by scribbling "none of the above" or whatever on a bit of paper? I respect your right not to vote but I think it's irresponsible. What exactly are you trying to prove? Well you clearly don't That the whole system, in it's current form, is not fit for purpose, and a waste of time. I honestly do not see how scribbling none of the above contributes to what I believe more than contributing to a low turn out. The media actually sit up and take not of low turn outs
Carl the Llama Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 Considering how shockingly ill-informed and UKIP seem to be on the whole EU issue, and their strong anti-EU stance, I'm saddened that they're picking up votes from confused nationalists who think they're voting in favour of the country instead of further endangering its economic capabilities.
ADK Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 So Leicestershire is still Tory, Tory:30 (-6) LibDem:13 (-1) Labour:10 (+6) UKIP:2 (+2) BNP 0 (-1) Turnout 29.7% down from 39.3%
Guest MattP Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 So people are just making a protest vote. UKIP probably won't win a single seat at the general election. You are right, be interesting if it holds up though, 15-18% of a nationwide vote and not a single seat would show what a flawed voting system we have. You should enjoy that being a Liberal anyway as people would start talking FPTP. So Leicestershire is still Tory, Tory:30 (-6) LibDem:13 (-1) Labour:10 (+6) UKIP:2 (+2) BNP 0 (-1) Turnout 29.7% down from 39.3% The county's all ours, the county's all oursssssssssss, the city's a shithole, the county's all ours.
lavrentis Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 Considering how shockingly ill-informed and UKIP seem to be on the whole EU issue, and their strong anti-EU stance, I'm saddened that they're picking up votes from confused nationalists who think they're voting in favour of the country instead of further endangering its economic capabilities. Totally right. UKIP shockingly ill informed about the EU issue. Of course this isn't the same UKIP though whose main issue with the EU though so they actually have to be well informed? You keep believing the other parties "talk" about the EU though, and all the Cameron talk about getting things done. UKIP say it like it is.
leicsmac Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 You are right, be interesting if it holds up though, 15-18% of a nationwide vote and not a single seat would show what a flawed voting system we have. You should enjoy that being a Liberal anyway as people would start talking FPTP. The hung parliament and ludicrous mess as a result that will follow the next General Election will pretty much guarantee electoral reform. As for UKIP, I admire their intent but increased isolationism of the type they are purporting isn't really going to help that much in todays globalised world. We can't just sit out and think that what happens in the rest of the world doesn't affect us, either politically or economically.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 You made it a public vote? Now we know the forum's three racists! I find myself wondering about the people who voted UKIP, whether they have any idea what they are going to do re: taxation, education, the NHS, etc. Cos most of the ones I know don't, it's purely the quasi-US isolationist stance that attracts them. I didn't vote, as I'm A-political, but (whilst I am loathe to lump them together) both the BNP and UKIP seem to be one policy parties. They could be saying, "and income tax will be 90%!" and no one would know.
ADK Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 Maybe one of the local UKIP zealots can tell me more about their policies but going by what the bbc says (i don't really trust the bbc as they come across pro-establishment): They want to impose a flat rate of income tax (so a tax break for the well-off) They want to cut taxes but increase spending on defence and want to double the number of prison spaces while imposing tougher sentences for crimes They want us to withdraw from the EU They want to ban all immigration for a period of 5 years They want to bring back smoking in pubs and allow fox hunting They want to build new grammar schools and increase student grants They oppose political correctness They oppose same sex marriage Have to say alot of it seems like typical populist nonsense from a party that won't be held accountable. You can't cut taxes for everyone while increasing the tax burden on the poor by scrapping progressive income tax and increase spending on defence and prisons and students. The numbers just don't add up. The immingration and european policy is at best extremely isolationist in an age of globalisation and at worst xeonophobic. If you thought the libdems didn't have enough experience to be in government then these lot might make them seem suddenly very competent.
Guest MattP Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 Maybe one of the local UKIP zealots can tell me more about their policies but going by what the bbc says (i don't really trust the bbc as they come across pro-establishment): They want to impose a flat rate of income tax (so a tax break for the well-off) They want to cut taxes but increase spending on defence and want to double the number of prison spaces while imposing tougher sentences for crimes They want us to withdraw from the EU They want to ban all immigration for a period of 5 years They want to bring back smoking in pubs and allow fox hunting They want to build new grammar schools and increase student grants They oppose political correctness They oppose same sex marriage Have to say alot of it seems like typical populist nonsense from a party that won't be held accountable. You can't cut taxes for everyone while increasing the tax burden on the poor by scrapping progressive income tax and increase spending on defence and prisons and students. The numbers just don't add up. The immingration and european policy is at best extremely isolationist in an age of globalisation and at worst xeonophobic. If you thought the libdems didn't have enough experience to be in government then these lot might make them seem suddenly very competent. Sounds like the Liberal Democrats doesn't it? Can promise what you want then one day you get in and actually see the books and it's 'whoops'. UKIP's policy has major flaws in, we all know that as they had better come out with a manifesto that is sensible for 2015. Though for most traditional Conservatives most of the things you mention in that list are quite important to us. Add to that UKIP are getting votes because they are appealing to the ambitious working class and lower middle class, something Blair and Thatcher did.. You concentrate on your party rather worrying about UKIP, I would be if they had just got 352 in a by-election and came a hundred ahead of the Raving Loonys.
lavrentis Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 You concentrate on your party rather worrying about UKIP, I would be if they had just got 352 in a by-election and came a hundred ahead of the Raving Loonys.
Houdini Logic Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 UKIP are getting votes because they are appealing to the ambitious working class and lower middle class By putting their income tax up by 5%?
Guest MattP Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 By putting their income tax up by 5%? People know UKIP won't be deciding their tax rates, they aren't voting for them on that.
Houdini Logic Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 People know UKIP won't be deciding their tax rates, they aren't voting for them on that. Being that it's one of their 9 main policies I can only take from that they have so few solid 'policies' that even their main ones are nonsensical filler
Guest MattP Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 Being that it's one of their 9 main policies I can only take from that they have so few solid 'policies' that even their main ones are nonsensical filler Officially they are still having internal reviews on their tax rate and Farage said on QT anyone on minimum wage would be taken out the tax bracket completely so I don't think anything is set in stone. People aren't voting for them on official policy lines, they are voting for something they rather like in a stance on Europe, Immigration and Mr Farage. Do many people really vote on policy anyway? Do all the idiots who still queue up to vote Labour really do it because they agree with another 5 years of borrow and spend along with flooding the public sector with it's voters that will end up again in severe debt? Of course not.
Houdini Logic Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 Officially they are still having internal reviews on their tax rate and Farage said on QT anyone on minimum wage would be taken out the tax bracket completely so I don't think anything is set in stone. People aren't voting for them on official policy lines, they are voting for something they rather like in a stance on Europe, Immigration and Mr Farage. Do many people really vote on policy anyway? Do all the idiots who still queue up to vote Labour really do it because they agree with another 5 years of borrow and spend along with flooding the public sector with it's voters that will end up again in severe debt? Of course not. If people vote for a party based on two policies then they probably deserve UKIP
Guest MattP Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 If people vote for a party based on two policies then they probably deserve UKIP Most people seem to vote for a party because that's who their Dad voted for. They deserve exactly what they get.
The God Emperor Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 sadly I couldnt find a candidate that appealed to the crazy libertopian . that and on the day of the vote I got in from work and started vomiting all night so democracy was not at the forefront of my mind.
Guest MattP Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 Feel good story of the day is that Labour stooge who was planted by the BBC to have a go at UKIP on QT a while back loses her local election. To UKIP https://democracy.kent.gov.uk/mgElectionAreaResults.aspx?XXR=0&ID=230&RPID=5184915
Captain... Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 Well you clearly don't That the whole system, in it's current form, is not fit for purpose, and a waste of time. I honestly do not see how scribbling none of the above contributes to what I believe more than contributing to a low turn out. The media actually sit up and take not of low turn outs But you not turning up out of protest makes no distinction to someone just being too lazy to turn up, by actively registering your discontent with available options then you are saying "I care about politics and this country, but I am not happy with the state of politics". If 50% of people turned up and said none of the above then people would take note, more so than 50% not bothering to turn up.
lavrentis Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 Feel good story of the day is that Labour stooge who was planted by the BBC to have a go at UKIP on QT a while back loses her local election. To UKIP https://democracy.ke...30&RPID=5184915 Wonder how she feels losing to a "disgusting party" who prey on vulnerable people.
Guest MattP Posted 3 May 2013 Posted 3 May 2013 Wonder how she feels losing to a "disgusting party" who prey on vulnerable people. I've just tweeted her my delight and she's blocked me straight off. Clearly not a good day.
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