Disabled Man who went to ATOS for assessment told his wheelchair was a fire risk.

[Guest MattP]

Depends on the disabilities we're talking about. There are a lot of disabilities which don't involve a wheelchair. I suspect the place where people with 'wheelchair disabilities' get assessed does indeed have good wheelchair access. This place doesn't deal with wheelchair claims so doesn't need the access. All you need to do is make sure you inform the claimer where they need to go, which it sounds like they did but the claimer couldn't be bothered to read it.

 

Exactly.

 

I really don't see how hard this is to understand.

Surely when he filled in the forms to claim , he would have told them he had mobility problems , and had to use a wheelchair ,

 

It's not a claim it's his assessment all the disabled are having to do at the moment.

[MooseBreath]

Surely when he filled in the forms to claim , he would have told them he had mobility problems , and had to use a wheelchair ,

Yeah and then they sent him a letter telling him where he needed to go and he just ignores it and went somewhere else instead.

[Zingari]

Yeah and then they sent him a lettee telling him where he needed to go and he just ignores it and went somewhere else instead.

I don't see why they wouldn't ensure that all the centres are pretty easily accessible to all .?

 

Claimants are going to have a whole raft of problems , it just seems common sense to cut out any obstacles in the first place.

 

but he' could be playing the old soldier a bit too 

[Zingari]

Exactly.

 

I really don't see how hard this is to understand.

 

It's not a claim it's his assessment all the disabled are having to do at the moment.

yes but the claimants fill out a freakin long form explaining their disabilities prior to going to these centres 

[Guest MattP]

I don't see why they wouldn't ensure that all the centres are pretty easily accessible to all .?

 

 

Because they need more buildings to carry these out, not all buildings have it.

 

For a short term plan like these assessments would you

 

a) Direct people who need wheelchair access to the proper building

b) Spend thousands of pounds of taxpayers money on installing ramps etc etc for something that will only be needed for a few months.

[Rincewind]

My point was not whether he was genuine or not but that a DISABILITY assessment Centre does not have facilities in place to enable them to assess DiISABILITIES.

 

In order to play a football match you first need a football.

[MooseBreath]

I don't see why they wouldn't ensure that all the centres are pretty easily accessible to all .?

Claimants are going to have a whole raft of problems , it just seems common sense to cut out any obstacles in the first place.

but he' could be playing the old soldier a bit too

Maybe they don't have enough money left after paying out all the claims.

Again I would reiterate the point about disrespecting the hard work done by genuinely good people to improve things like disabled access in this country - work which is often charged with increasing 'red tape' - just because some feckless idiot couldn't be bothered to read a letter and is subsequently trying to dip his filthy fingers into a compensation pot.

[Guest MattP]

My point was not whether he was genuine or not but that a DISABILITY assessment Centre does not have facilities in place to enable them to assess DiISABILITIES.

 

In order to play a football match you first need a football.

 

Are all disabled people in wheelchairs then?

 

Maybe when they built the football pitch they didn't leave enough money to buy a ball.

[Zingari]

maybe this is why we can't afford to have offices with wheelchair access . 

 

 

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/record-view-atos-chiefs-280k-1985526

[Zingari]

Are all disabled people in wheelchairs then?

 

Maybe when they built the football pitch they didn't leave enough money to buy a ball.

that's not really the point , not all people who go to libraries are wheelchair bound , but there is a duty to make them wheelchair accessible ( at least i think there is )

[Guest MattP]

that's not really the point , not all people who go to libraries are wheelchair bound , but there is a duty to make them wheelchair accessible ( at least i think there is )

 

Is there?

 

They also go to pubs, my local couldn't get a person in a wheelchair in unless they were carried.

[Zingari]

Is there?

 

They also go to pubs, my local couldn't get a person in a wheelchair in unless they were carried.

thats ironic , because that's how i usually get out 

[Guest MattP]

thats ironic , because that's how i usually get out 

 

Same, I could have done with a wheelchair to get home half the time.

[Webbo]

thats ironic , because that's how i usually get out 

[RobHawk]

Not the best article as their is a distinct lack of facts. I presume that because he's on incapacity benefit he's being reassessed for ESA.

Interestingly, when PIP comes in he's more likely to get that than he would DLA, again the article doesn't say if he's in receipt of this as well.

For those moaning he can walk, DLA requirements are 50meters (I think) and PIP will be 20 meters. And that has to be reasonably and safely and within twice the time it would take a person without any impairments

[AKCJ]

They probably thought he was a fire risk as he is the double of Mick Philpott not because of his wheelchair.

 

 

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Maybe they don't have enough money left after paying out all the claims.

Again I would reiterate the point about disrespecting the hard work done by genuinely good people to improve things like disabled access in this country - work which is often charged with increasing 'red tape' - just because some feckless idiot couldn't be bothered to read a letter and is subsequently trying to dip his filthy fingers into a compensation pot.

The reading of information on forms is surely a basic necessity. My partner who works at Wycombe Hospital, is forever having people turn up, when the appointment letter clearly states it is elsewhere. It's people's incorrect assumptions that are the root cause of so many such problems.

[Guest MattP]

The reading of information on forms is surely a basic necessity. My partner who works at Wycombe Hospital, is forever having people turn up, when the appointment letter clearly states it is elsewhere. It's people's incorrect assumptions that are the root cause of so many such problems.

 

It's true so many people just don't have any common sense or basic intelligence. They don't even bother checking details.

 

I heard a rather embarrassing rumour that when Rincewind went for his job interview at DNO he was actually 35 minutes late as he had turned at B&Q.

[MooseBreath]

Pretty sure I remember him saying he was asked to wear a suit too but he ignored that and went dressed as a trout instead.

[Rincewind]

I give up. Everyone's missing the point. (well not quite everyone just the usual suspects)

[MPH]

Not every building has wheelchair access. It takes time to install if you haven't and it's expensive. 

 

Therefore they made sure people in wheelchairs shouldn't go to that centre and instead use a different one. He couldn't bothered to read that could he? I hope he loses his benefits for stupidity.

 

 

This wasn't an audition for a dance group.... It was to asses his disability claims...

[stix]

This wasn't an audition for a dance group.... It was to asses his disability claims...

Yeah...

[MooseBreath]

This wasn't an audition for a dance group.... It was to asses his disability claims...

Yes but he turned up at the wrong building. You can't just pick and choose where you want to go for these things. He was given an address for a place with wheelchair access but he ignored it and went somewhere else. He might as well have had himself hoisted to the top of the shard and made the same complaint from there. Would have been just as valid.

[Jon the Hat]

So ATOS have a policy of home visits for assessing people in wheelchairs were they dont have a wheelchair accessible centre?  How terrible to have to stay at home and have someone come out and visit you.  Shocking.

I give up. Everyone's missing the point. (well not quite everyone just the usual suspects)

 

You don't have a point, you have a contrived argument.  The whole thing is a PR stunt.

[Rincewind]

How will they know what kind of workplace a person who has a disability if the cannot test fairly all scenarios?

It would be like Pearson signing a player for £3mikllion after he saw him kick a ball with only his left foot and though him good enough for Championship football.