Bulger Killer Set Free

[Tielemans63]

On a serious note, I'm with Matt P on this one. IMHO it was worth giving him a second chance. He had his chance, he was caught with child porn on his computer - it's not out of the question that if he's spending his time doing that then he might just have done something similarly heinous to another youngster - that should have been his last chance.

He'll be out until he does something awful - the only question is how awful will it be? Massive risk.

[MooseBreath]

I realise how parole boards work guys

It's a very strange turnaround to get such a decision reversed in six months.

I appreciate I don't have the facts, but I would really like to know what change has beene exerted in six months that he now doesn't see the sexual abuse of a child as the most fantastic thing in the world.

Just can't help but feel sorry for the next poor fcuker who out there now who is going to end up suffering at the hands of this animal.

Well at least we've got some volunteers to be his new next door neighbour in this thread. Wonder how long they'll keep up the whole "everyone deserves a third chance" thing when he's right next door and his curtains are twitching everytime their kids are playing in the garden.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Bastard! Should be locked up for life, and the key thrown away. Namby pamby legal system.     

[Fox92]

But you don't KNOW he'll re-offend. The parole board have taken the view that he won't and I'm sure they have access to far greater amounts and detail of information on this guy's state of mind and psychological profile than you've got.

I'm not saying he should definitely be let out, just that the details are necessarily vague.

They have got more about him than I have, however, as I citizen I'm not pleased he's out. I don't know he will re-offend, he might not, but then again he might. He already had a second chance and got caught with child porn!

[DennisNedry]

Not that time. Who's to say he didn't learn this time? If you fail your driving test twice should you not be able to take it a third time?

None of us are close to the detail here, questioning the decision is understandable but I don't get the absolute conviction people have got that this must be the wrong thing to do.

 

Yeah, failing a driving test a few times does make you as a bad as a sadistic murderer.

 

In all seriousness though, only the truly naive believe that people who commit crimes of this nature can be rehabiliated. Sure, you can reform a thief or mugger, but how to you expect to reform somebody who tortured and murdered an infant? They are, to put it scientifically, ****ed up in the head.

 

I'm very surprised and disappointed that nobody in prison knifed the cunts.

[Guest ttfn]

Yeah, failing a driving test a few times does make you as a bad as a sadistic murderer.

In all seriousness though, only the truly naive believe that people who commit crimes of this nature can be rehabiliated. Sure, you can reform a thief or mugger, but how to you expect to reform somebody who tortured and murdered an infant? They are, to put it scientifically, ****ed up in the head.

I'm very surprised and disappointed that nobody in prison knifed the cunts.

Hasn't Robert Thompson been out of jail for over a decade now without re-offending? Is it naive to think that people can be rehabilitated or is it naive to think a leopard can't change it's spots?

I really don't know enough about this to say whether or not in this instance, this particular individual should be let out. But neither does anybody else.

There are principles in life I believe are worth trying to defend and the rehabilitation of prisoners is one of them, no matter what their crime.

The issue of public safety is the key one IMO and I think most seem to be arguing that as the main reason for not wanting this guy to be released, which is something I can sympathise with.

I have to say I find the reference to the previous parole hearing very disturbing, but we have to believe that the people letting him out are confident he won't re-offend.

[Rincewind]

Can we agree that when the offence was committed the two youths were not fully mature. I don'yt know what their mental age was to actual. If Robert Thompson has been out a decade without offending I assume he was the less responsible. By that I don't mean he should not have been punished but if on his own would not have committed the crime.

When there are two I would say there is always a dominant stronger partner who the other one follows through fear or hero worship.

[Wymsey]

Don't know what to say about this.

 

However, it won't be long before people like the Philpott's are given ''another chance'', at this rate!

[MikeyT]

Can we agree that when the offence was committed the two youths were not fully mature. I don'yt know what their mental age was to actual. If Robert Thompson has been out a decade without offending I assume he was the less responsible. By that I don't mean he should not have been punished but if on his own would not have committed the crime.

When there are two I would say there is always a dominant stronger partner who the other one follows through fear or hero worship.

Can agree with that yes. But they still knew what they were doing. Old enough to know. They knew they were torturing and then murdering another human being. 

[Bettsj2]

Can agree with that yes. But they still knew what they were doing. Old enough to know. They knew they were torturing and then murdering another human being.

They knew but they would not have had the capacity to understand the ramifications of what they were doing and the concequences that it would bring. They were 10. I dont even remember being 10, but having nieces and nephews at that age who have a good up bringing and are considered to be intelligent kids, there's no way in heaven or hell that at that age you are of sound enough mind to commit that kind of crime with full motive and intent. The crime was horrendous it really was, but when I look back on it, it seems wrong that they were tried as adults.

[OzFox]

"the Sleep of Reason" by David Smith is a good read. It sounds like Venables was a seriously odd kid long before the Bulger killing. Rehabilitating him may well be impossible but that's not necessarily his "fault". It's possible he's got some mental disorder that we can''t even diagnose, let alone treat.

[MikeyT]

They knew but they would not have had the capacity to understand the ramifications of what they were doing and the concequences that it would bring. They were 10. I dont even remember being 10, but having nieces and nephews at that age who have a good up bringing and are considered to be intelligent kids, there's no way in heaven or hell that at that age you are of sound enough mind to commit that kind of crime with full motive and intent. The crime was horrendous it really was, but when I look back on it, it seems wrong that they were tried as adults.

We shall have to agree to disagree.

[Dan]

Death penalty would be cynical and I'd only use it in extreme cases such as this one.

 

It saves trouble if anything and it's clear that this cvnt is fvcked beyond repair.

 

Bring on his death.

[The Horse's Mouth]

I thought he was already out and living in a town with a different identity? 

[ADK]

Who cares

[Guest MattP]

Who cares

 

The families of the child that continue to be the object of his sexual thrills?

[ADK]

The families of the child that continue to be the object of his sexual thrills?

 

Yes perhaps they care. I can't see why other people should be so bothered.

[MrSpaM]

Wont be long before people figure out who he is once hes released anyway. Apparently the reason his identity got rumbled the last three times was because he bragged about what he'd done to people after he'd been released. This guy is a disaster waiting to happen.

[Charnwood Norris]

I used to shoot pigeons with an air rifle at 12 and thought it was fun.  Now at age 36 I think I was a sicko for doing that back then.

 

People change but this guy doesn't seem capable of it to me.  Just bragging to friends about his true identity shows to me he is work of the devil.

[Guest MattP]

Yes perhaps they care. I can't see why other people should be so bothered.

 

You can't see why people are bothered a man who before 30 has been found to have a huge child porn collection to distribute along with torturing and murdering a child and also has in the last six months confessed that sexually abusing children is the greatest thrill in the World is being released back into society with a new name and identity so none of us know who he is?

 

You have done this before defending these sorts of acts in other threads, you got something to tell us?

 

I'm so glad it's people like you on the left, it makes me realise my views are probably in the right.

[ADK]

You can't see why people are bothered a man who before 30 has been found to have a huge child porn collection to distribute along with torturing and murdering a child and also has in the last six months confessed that sexually abusing children is the greatest thrill in the World is being released back into society with a new name and identity so none of us know who he is?

 

You have done this before defending these sorts of acts in other threads, you got something to tell us?

 

I'm so glad it's people like you on the left, it makes me realise my views are probably in the right.

 

Never heard of him bragging about it before, in that case it does seem bizarre that they would have released him the first time let alone a second time. I'd be surprised if they would release someone like that if they had any doubts.

[Guest MattP]

Never heard of him bragging about it before, in that case it does seem bizarre that they would have released him the first time let alone a second time. I'd be surprised if they would release someone like that if they had any doubts.

 

Any doubts? How can you not have doubts? Would you let him babysit your children?

 

 

the parole board had previously decided it was 'not safe' for Jon Venables to be released.

He added: "It is not known what has changed. No reasons for the decision have been given.

"For Ralph and his family the living nightmare continues and is exacerbated by the problems now created by the reckless decision to free Jon Venables without any publicly disclosed safeguards.

"Jon Venables is a sex offender who has murdered once and made it clear when posing as the mother of a child that an 'ultimate thrill' for him was the sexual abuse of a child.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23190447

 

I wonder about the sort of people who sit on these parole boards.

[MikeyT]

Who cares

I don't even know how to respond to this. Just wow!

[Fox92]

Who cares what age they were when they did it. They still did it, and both of them have obviously got problems for doing it. Look at what some of you are putting, imagine being related to little James Bulger. Totally sick and Venebles shouldn't be released, especially considering he got done again for another child related crime. 

 

Comparing the sick murder of a young child to failing a driving test twice is a bit wierd ttfn (and you usually come across as a sensible poster).

[Rincewind]

On Thusday we have a new slot on the radio sho. The edito of a magazin to address reoffenders is presenting a programme on the criminal justice system (1pm-2pm) Before anuone says anything he is for longer and tougher sentences. To give the inmates time to go on rehabilitation programmes from inside.

Someone asked if we should bring the Venables subject up and the concensous was we had better not for fear of saying the wrong thing. There was agreement that he should not be let out.