Captain... Posted 11 September 2013 Posted 11 September 2013 I totally agree, i worked at amnesty (as a contractor) a few years back. They were not interested in what the person had done to find themselves in a position where their human rights were in question. All of them had their heads up their own backsides, but a powerful organisation these days. This kind of talk worries me, Amnesty fight for basic human rights, these rights should not be called into question just because of a few extreme cases, when we start to erode basic human rights then it will be worse for everyone. This is not directly in relation to this case, but in every extreme case we get people calling to bring back the death penalty. We cannot destroy our way of life to satisfy the blood lust of the baying mob. We don't kill people in this country as a form of justice or punishment, we are a civilised country. We see human beings as capable of change and rehabilitation and even those that aren't as deserving a life away from society and that is not one of constant punishment and torment.
Guest MattP Posted 11 September 2013 Posted 11 September 2013 What was he smuggling? How did he get caught? Heroin, sent you a PM of the Mercury article as I don't think it's fair to plaster his name on here.
Guest MattP Posted 11 September 2013 Posted 11 September 2013 Amnesty is an organisation that triesdto do good but unfortunately has been hijacked by a shedload of far left lunatics desperate to release every people on the planet from prison.
Rincewind Posted 11 September 2013 Posted 11 September 2013 I always thought a doctor was qualified to treat patents because of the 10 years in medical school. it appears i was wrong and it is the bloke down the pub waving the Daily Mail and saying 'You don't want to do it like that.' I personally would rather the killers remained in jail. But I admit that is not based on any qualifications in psychiatry or any that are needed to make the judgement that was made. I hold my hands up to being wrong.
Guest MattP Posted 11 September 2013 Posted 11 September 2013 I always thought a doctor was qualified to treat patents because of the 10 years in medical school. it appears i was wrong and it is the bloke down the pub waving the Daily Mail and saying 'You don't want to do it like that.' I personally would rather the killers remained in jail. But I admit that is not based on any qualifications in psychiatry or any that are needed to make the judgement that was made. I hold my hands up to being wrong.
Rincewind Posted 11 September 2013 Posted 11 September 2013 I think we have wires crossed TPH. I agree a doctor cannot employ a patient after treating them and does not have to have been ill. But by the same token a bloke cannot tell a women childbirth is painless. There are counselors within AA that are ex drinkers. They know and can emphasize with the problem and can show how they got through it. Works far netter in my opinion than the 'It's their own fault lock em up that's what I'd do mate.' mob.
Guest MattP Posted 11 September 2013 Posted 11 September 2013 I think we have wires crossed TPH. I agree a doctor cannot employ a patient after treating them and does not have to have been ill. But by the same token a bloke cannot tell a women childbirth is painless. There are counselors within AA that are ex drinkers. They know and can emphasize with the problem and can show how they got through it. Works far netter in my opinion than the 'It's their own fault lock em up that's what I'd do mate.' mob. Are comparing Alcoholics as a similar problem to a man who abducted, mutilated and left a boy tied to a train tracks to die in agony? You want people who are ex offenders to try and empathise with these people? Good luck the third time then when he's dragged again, I'll be holding my Daily Mail, I hope it's not your child's life he has ruined next time.
The People's Hero Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 Do any of those who want him released have children?
MikeyT Posted 14 September 2013 Author Posted 14 September 2013 Started reading the book "My James" last night written by his dad Ralph. Happened to see it in The Works in town yesterday. I'm 87 pages in and my God. It's probably the hardest thing I've ever had to read. Just got up to them being charged with his murder. But some of the things before that are difficult to read, including about when Ralph's brother had to go and identify James's body. If you haven't read it I suggest it. Will probably only fuel the fire more though, in terms of anger against those two murdering scum.
Strokes Posted 14 September 2013 Posted 14 September 2013 Im not excusing either of them, far from it but you have to wonder what happend in their lives to create such sick perversion. I mean what are the chances that 2 born evils meet at that age to express such behaviour? More likely they shared some unthinkable situations.
MooseBreath Posted 14 September 2013 Posted 14 September 2013 Im not excusing either of them, far from it but you have to wonder what happend in their lives to create such sick perversion. I mean what are the chances that 2 born evils meet at that age to express such behaviour? More likely they shared some unthinkable situations. The chances are slim, thankfully, but slim doesn't mean impossible and so the chances of it happening somewhere at some point in time are very high. I think one was a lot worse than the other, from what I've read. But both born evil for me.
Strokes Posted 14 September 2013 Posted 14 September 2013 The chances are slim, thankfully, but slim doesn't mean impossible and so the chances of it happening somewhere at some point in time are very high. I think one was a lot worse than the other, from what I've read. But both born evil for me.I havent read alot on it tbh, so i was just speculating. I have children at the same age as james was so i doubt ill be reading up too much either.
ADK Posted 14 September 2013 Posted 14 September 2013 Remember we sort of studied it at school and the teacher blamed the Tory government.
Rincewind Posted 14 September 2013 Posted 14 September 2013 One may have been influenced by the other. Who remember s the Bentley case in the early 50's? 'Let Him Have It' The elder of the two was hung because he was of age but it was the younger that did the killing. Bentley had a mental age of around 10 and Craig the older one had an obsession with guns and on the night looking for revenge as his brother had just been sent down for robbery. He served his time and as far as I am aware never reoffended. But Bentley's only mistake was to look up to him. I know they were different ages but Venables seems to be the worst of the two. What has happened to the other one?
Guest ttfn Posted 14 September 2013 Posted 14 September 2013 One may have been influenced by the other. Who remember s the Bentley case in the early 50's? 'Let Him Have It' The elder of the two was hung because he was of age but it was the younger that did the killing. Bentley had a mental age of around 10 and Craig the older one had an obsession with guns and on the night looking for revenge as his brother had just been sent down for robbery. He served his time and as far as I am aware never reoffended. But Bentley's only mistake was to look up to him. I know they were different ages but Venables seems to be the worst of the two. What has happened to the other one? By all accounts he has reintegrated successfully into society.
MikeyT Posted 12 February 2014 Author Posted 12 February 2014 21 years ago today since little James was tortured and murdered. Time has gone by very quickly. RIP.
Bert Posted 12 February 2014 Posted 12 February 2014 The thing I find most laughable is that these cretins all get new identities to start new lives, and so they are protected. That's a load of bollocks to me. They should either not be released at all or if they are not be given new identities. They can build their life back but their victims families can't? Only in Britain.
stripeyfox Posted 12 February 2014 Posted 12 February 2014 Started reading the book "My James" last night written by his dad Ralph. Happened to see it in The Works in town yesterday. I'm 87 pages in and my God. It's probably the hardest thing I've ever had to read. Just got up to them being charged with his murder. But some of the things before that are difficult to read, including about when Ralph's brother had to go and identify James's body. If you haven't read it I suggest it. Will probably only fuel the fire more though, in terms of anger against those two murdering scum.I started reading this but I truly don't know if I can carry on. My son is currently almost exactly the same age as James was when he was murdered, within a day or two. He is beautiful and funny and full of life and of course at that age, trusting of everyone. It is heartbreaking to think of the poor boy; how his innocence was so wickedly taken advantage of, and how he was brutally and sadistically murdered. Maybe I'll find the courage to read it, but just the opening chapter had me sobbing and I suspect it will haunt me when I go to bed tonight.If I woke up in the morning to find out that Venables was dead, by whatever means, then I would be hanging out the bunting and celebrate the day every year for the rest of my life that the evil little shit is dead
MikeyT Posted 12 February 2014 Author Posted 12 February 2014 I started reading this but I truly don't know if I can carry on. My son is currently almost exactly the same age as James was when he was murdered, within a day or two. He is beautiful and funny and full of life and of course at that age, trusting of everyone. It is heartbreaking to think of the poor boy; how his innocence was so wickedly taken advantage of, and how he was brutally and sadistically murdered. Maybe I'll find the courage to read it, but just the opening chapter had me sobbing and I suspect it will haunt me when I go to bed tonight. If I woke up in the morning to find out that Venables was dead, by whatever means, then I would be hanging out the bunting and celebrate the day every year for the rest of my life that the evil little shit is dead It is without a doubt the hardest thing I've ever read. Really is so upsetting and heart wrenching. Try and rad it all if you can. Not only will you feel upset though, you'll feel anger and a massive sense of injustice for James and his family at what our legal system has done.
ADK Posted 12 February 2014 Posted 12 February 2014 I don't get why you'd read a book about a murder from the relatives point of view.
MikeyT Posted 12 February 2014 Author Posted 12 February 2014 I don't get why you'd read a book about a murder from the relatives point of view. What point of view would you have me read it from then?
ADK Posted 12 February 2014 Posted 12 February 2014 I can understand reading about it from a neutral point of view. It's a case that is bound to produce conflicting opinions. You've got the crime itself which is undeniably horrendous but then this conflict between what to do with the perpetrators as they are young themselves. Do you effectively say "that's it" life sentence or do you allow them some chance of rehabilitation. It's difficult and then you have this complication with a further albeit lesser crime committed which casts more doubt on whether the offender should be given another chance. Reading from the parents point of view would just seem ghoulish to me. I wouldn't really want to read that as it is bound to be upsetting but I'm not sure why somebody would want to read it. I'm not really criticising, just wondered why you felt it was worth reading.
stripeyfox Posted 13 February 2014 Posted 13 February 2014 I take the "ghoulish" point but I suppose the boy's father wrote the book and therefore is happy for people to read it. I'm still not sure it's for me though. Woke up in the small hours this morning thinking about it. Not nice...
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