Kitchandro Posted 6 July 2013 Share Posted 6 July 2013 You think? How do you think players like Jordan Henderson, Andy Carroll and Fernando Torres went for such ridiculous amounts of money in comparison to their ability? Value has no impact in the transfer market and Managers want players and it depends on how much the money men are willing to agree on. Nothing else. How will the money men know how much they should be negotiating for if they don't know how much the player is worth? And how will they know what the player is worth if the bloke who knows about football doesn't tell them? Of course value has an impact, clubs only have a limited amount of money. Those players were bought because the clubs thought they were worth that money. What, you think they don't bother discussing within the club how much they would be happy to spend on a specific player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerrrFox Posted 6 July 2013 Share Posted 6 July 2013 How will the money men know how much they should be negotiating for if they don't know how much the player is worth? And how will they know what the player is worth if the bloke who knows about football doesn't tell them? Of course value has an impact, clubs only have a limited amount of money. Those players were bought because the clubs thought they were worth that money. What, you think they don't bother discussing within the club how much they would be happy to spend on a specific player? Managers are there to get the players they want for their squad. If Pearson could get a player he felt was worth big money and the Thais would pay it he would do it within a heart beat if he felt it would clinch promotion, no matter what people say on here.It's not up to managers to worry about finances. If the club and fans want someone to blame for the current financial worries its the clubs ridiculous spending they are the ones who made the deals. Sven didn't hold a gun to the Thais head and say buy Matt Mills and Jermaine Beckford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted 6 July 2013 Share Posted 6 July 2013 Managers are there to get the players they want for their squad. If Pearson could get a player he felt was worth big money and the Thais would pay it he would do it within a heart beat if he felt it would clinch promotion, no matter what people say on here. It's not up to managers to worry about finances. If the club and fans want someone to blame for the current financial worries its the clubs ridiculous spending they are the ones who made the deals. Sven didn't hold a gun to the Thais head and say buy Matt Mills and Jermaine Beckford. But he did say "Get Matt Mills at any cost". And that is a 100% guaranteed absolute fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerrrFox Posted 6 July 2013 Share Posted 6 July 2013 But he did say "Get Matt Mills at any cost". And that is a 100% guaranteed absolute fact. The owners and the board are the ones who have to do a deal. It's their club, Sven is just an employee. If they think a deal is going to jeopardise the future of the club and future transfers they are the ones at fault for letting it go through not the manager who just wants the players he feels will help the club. If they turned round and said we can't get Matt Mills he is too expensive they would have moved onto another target which they did with plenty of other players at the time. The people above Sven are at fault for the current misfortune with money not Sven. Sven just picked shit players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted 6 July 2013 Share Posted 6 July 2013 The owners and the board are the ones who have to do a deal. It's their club, Sven is just an employee. If they think a deal is going to jeopardise the future of the club and future transfers they are the ones at fault for letting it go through not the manager who just wants the players he feels will help the club. If they turned round and said we can't get Matt Mills he is too expensive they would have moved onto another target which they did with plenty of other players at the time. The people above Sven are at fault for the current misfortune with money not Sven. Sven just picked shit players.Hang on. You just said "Sven didn't hold a gun to the Thais head and say but Matt Mills" now where that's not literally the same as "get Matt Mills at any cost" it might as well bloody well be. The owners and the board are the ones who have to do a deal. It's their club, Sven is just an employee. If they think a deal is going to jeopardise the future of the club and future transfers they are the ones at fault for letting it go through not the manager who just wants the players he feels will help the club. If they turned round and said we can't get Matt Mills he is too expensive they would have moved onto another target which they did with plenty of other players at the time. The people above Sven are at fault for the current misfortune with money not Sven. Sven just picked shit players.Hang on. You just said "Sven didn't hold a gun to the Thais head and say but Matt Mills" now where that's not literally the same as "get Matt Mills at any cost" it might as well bloody well be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 6 July 2013 Share Posted 6 July 2013 The owners and the board are the ones who have to do a deal. It's their club, Sven is just an employee. If they think a deal is going to jeopardise the future of the club and future transfers they are the ones at fault for letting it go through not the manager who just wants the players he feels will help the club. If they turned round and said we can't get Matt Mills he is too expensive they would have moved onto another target which they did with plenty of other players at the time. The people above Sven are at fault for the current misfortune with money not Sven. Sven just picked shit players. When businessmen buy a club they put their trust in someone who appears to have respect in the footballing world.... They trusted Sven. Yes it was their money but you can bet your bottom dollar that If Sven had said not to go for someone they wouldn't of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerrrFox Posted 6 July 2013 Share Posted 6 July 2013 Hang on. You just said "Sven didn't hold a gun to the Thais head and say but Matt Mills" now where that's not literally the same as "get Matt Mills at any cost" it might as well bloody well be. Hang on. You just said "Sven didn't hold a gun to the Thais head and say but Matt Mills" now where that's not literally the same as "get Matt Mills at any cost" it might as well bloody well be. How is it? It's not the same at all. They think it jeopardises the future of the club in the transfer market they don't do it. They are multi-millionaire businessmen with one of the biggest duty free business's in the world. No one tells them to do jack shit. There were a number of other transfers they didn't do at the time because of money so why was Mills so different? Beckford was one of the last on a list of strikers according to someone I've spoke to. It's just easy to lump the blame on Sven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 7 July 2013 Share Posted 7 July 2013 Managers are there to get the players they want for their squad. If Pearson could get a player he felt was worth big money and the Thais would pay it he would do it within a heart beat if he felt it would clinch promotion, no matter what people say on here. Ah so Pearson felt a players was worth big money, presumably he kept that detail to himself and would certainly not pass that information on to the people brokering the deal. It's not up to managers to worry about finances. It is if they have a budget. Again, you don't seem able to differentiate between a manager sitting down with a calculator and a spread sheet working everything out and a manager just having basic input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 7 July 2013 Share Posted 7 July 2013 You think? How do you think players like Jordan Henderson, Andy Carroll and Fernando Torres went for such ridiculous amounts of money in comparison to their ability? Value has no impact in the transfer market and Managers want players and it depends on how much the money men are willing to agree on. Nothing else. Because Kenny is a shit judge of talent. But you just think he gave the board a name and never had any other input, ludicrous. How do you think a manager would feel if someone above him spent £17m on someone he thought was worth £6m without his knowledge? The manager would turn around and say for fecks sake had I known we had that much to spend I would have bought someone actually worth that money. You've just wasted £11m from my budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teblin Posted 7 July 2013 Share Posted 7 July 2013 Ok let's say Sven had nothing to do with negotiations. He still choose inadequate footballers who he knew would demand high Wages. Of course there were a couple of exceptions ability wise, but overall he suggested poor/average players. Who ended up on big money. The club could have said no so there is blame on their part but if the players were good enough the money would have mattered less as we'd have gone up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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