What will it take for Pearson to get sacked (owners expectations)

[Guest MattP]

Anywhere near the top 6 will be a pretty decent effort this year considering financial implications.

Hopefully the owners have finally realised you can't buy promotion and this could be a case if moulding a good young side.

[5waller5]

Are all the people quoting FFP as a reason to have low expectations this season aware that the rules apply to all clubs, not just us???

[Babylon]

Are all the people quoting FFP as a reason to have low expectations this season aware that the rules apply to all clubs, not just us???

The difference is most clubs have been planning for this, where as we decided to post one of the biggest losses in league history in our last published accounts. Meaning we have more to cut than other teams.

 

There are also something like 7/8 teams currently receiving parachute payments I think after a quick count

 

My expectations aren't low (yet) if we lose some of our better players than they might be.

[Guest MattP]

Are all the people quoting FFP as a reason to have low expectations this season aware that the rules apply to all clubs, not just us???

 

Yes, also aware that numerous clubs have parachute payments that put them into a far stabler position that what we are in added to the fact whilst others were readying themselves for this we were putting people on stupid long term contracts that have made this a huge inconvience for us.

 

Of course it's natural to have lower expectations this season when we are working on a far far smaller budget than the last 3-4 years.

 

What kind of an idiot would expect the same result from having a 25million budget to an 8million one?

[Fox Ulike]

Are all the people quoting FFP as a reason to have low expectations this season aware that the rules apply to all clubs, not just us???

 

Yes the rules apply to all clubs, but the point is that FFP will affect different clubs in different ways. The intention of FFP is to penalise big-spending clubs like Leicester, Brighton and Forest... and it's working!

 

FFP has created a huge gulf in resources between the teams with parachute payments, and those without. QPR have just gone out and bought Karl Henry and had a bid accepted for Gary Hooper. We can't compete with that.

 

Also, the concept of "Fair play" doesn't apply to Watford, who can exploit their relationship with Udinese to recruit top players for 'free'  - so that these purchases do not count against their balance sheets. We can't compete with that.

 

At the other end of the scale, FFP will help clubs with smaller turnovers (Charlton, Ipswich, and Millwall etc), who will probably not be affected by FFP at all - since they will never incur an £8m loss in a season. They can just carry on as normal.

 

 FFP will enable smaller clubs to compete with the likes of LCFC and Forest, but at the same time it makes it harder for us to compete with QPR and Wigan.

 

Sacking Pearson would not change a single thing.

[Babylon]

It's an easy way for the pro Pearson supporters to justify not challenging for promotion if it doesn't happen this season.

The fact is the club has the players to be challenging for promotion, wether playoffs or autos, anything other than top six will be a failure.

Come on how many excuses can be made this season, it's not like we have a cheaply assembled sqaud, the excuse that they are young and not been together long enough cannot be used again.

I believe the manager is average and hasn't got the know how to get us up, but that said I wish him and the players all the best for the season, and hope we are successful, but if not no more excuses from the man or for the man, if we fail its time to try someone/ thing new, as for me he isn't good enough.

No more excuses, no more wholesale crisis in confidence, just succeed.

On what are you basing your conclusion that the players are good enough?

Ahhh the old 'you have to settle for tripe because you couldn't do better yourself' defence of a shite manager....one of my FT favourites

Yeah that's exactly what I said... Go back to your troll hole!

[Monsell1976]

Yes, also aware that numerous clubs have parachute payments that put them into a far stabler position that what we are in added to the fact whilst others were readying themselves for this we were putting people on stupid long term contracts that have made this a huge inconvience for us.

Of course it's natural to have lower expectations this season when we are working on a far far smaller budget than the last 3-4 years.

What kind of an idiot would expect the same result from having a 25million budget to an 8million one?

In a financial sense your right we can't compete with the relegated sides, but we are a prime example that money doesn't mean success.

We are fortunate that we have brought in good players pre new financial restrictions, and have one of the stronger squads from the current championship, before Wigan etc come into it.

What we need is a good manager who can bring the best out of these average/ good players, and have a sqaud that gives there all for there team mates, manager, supporters and club, is Nigel the man ? I don't know or think so.

When Martin oneil came to us we had pretty much an average side, limited funds but the players gave everything for him, and with his know how we were successful, so money helps,but isnt everything, ability of the management is as important,and yes there is a unfair financial advantage, but with the previous investment in our sqaud and with the right coaching/ managing, I might be one of the idiots being suggested as I would expect us to be challenging for promotion.

[Corky]

In a financial sense your right we can't compete with the relegated sides, but we are a prime example that money doesn't mean success.

We are fortunate that we have brought in good players pre new financial restrictions, and have one of the stronger squads from the current championship, before Wigan etc come into it.

What we need is a good manager who can bring the best out of these average/ good players, and have a sqaud that gives there all for there team mates, manager, supporters and club, is Nigel the man ? I don't know or think so.

When Martin oneil came to us we had pretty much an average side, limited funds but the players gave everything for him, and with his know how we were successful, so money helps,but isnt everything, ability of the management is as important,and yes there is a unfair financial advantage, but with the previous investment in our sqaud and with the right coaching/ managing, I might be one of the idiots being suggested as I would expect us to be challenging for promotion.

 

O'Neill also took over a top three side and had a woeful start to his reign. It took four months for his style and methods to produce results.

[Monsell1976]

O'Neill also took over a top three side and had a woeful start to his reign. It took four months for his style and methods to produce results.

Your right about four months, and the stick he got whilst changing things to his style was terrible, so I think the point I'm making is valid, the current management have had the time and money( barring this pre season), so I would expect if they have the ability and know how, I would expect a strong season, and be up there challenging for promotion. If they don't I think it's clear that the current management team will not get us promoted. Well that's my opinion anyway, and as the owners have ambition I suspect they will probably have the same opinion.

If we didn't have expectations I would look forward to the new season even less than I am now.

[Guest MattP]

In a financial sense your right we can't compete with the relegated sides, but we are a prime example that money doesn't mean success.

We are fortunate that we have brought in good players pre new financial restrictions, and have one of the stronger squads from the current championship, before Wigan etc come into it.

What we need is a good manager who can bring the best out of these average/ good players, and have a sqaud that gives there all for there team mates, manager, supporters and club, is Nigel the man ? I don't know or think so.

When Martin oneil came to us we had pretty much an average side, limited funds but the players gave everything for him, and with his know how we were successful, so money helps,but isnt everything, ability of the management is as important,and yes there is a unfair financial advantage, but with the previous investment in our sqaud and with the right coaching/ managing, I might be one of the idiots being suggested as I would expect us to be challenging for promotion.

 

Idiot wasn't a reference to anyone in general, just in the circumstance of somewould who would expect a same result on far skinnier budget.

 

Money doesnt mean success but if helps if spent correctly. Teams like Barnsley and Huddersfield will quite simply never compete in this division for promotion because of not being able to spend anything.

 

We still have a strong squad but my expectations have dropped from Svens season (top 2) to this budget (top 8)

 

If people want to think that's letting off Pearson easy so be it, if he does go at the end of the season I fear for the new man coming in! Easy job this, "you've got the tenth biggest budget in the division and if you aren't pretty much in the top two all year you're out!"

[Monsell1976]

On what are you basing your conclusion that the players are good enough?

In flashes last season some looked more the capable of doing very well, when we were flying January time we did look good, with good players( when they had form and confidence), but lacked confidence and seem to be clueless in how to break teams down, or not concede silly easy goals, you can just blame the players, but for me it's down to formations, and being played out of position aswell.

So I base the conclusion that we have some good players, and average on what I have watched, but will add we have plenty of shite bleeding us dry.

[Monsell1976]

Idiot wasn't a reference to anyone in general, just in the circumstance of somewould who would expect a same result on far skinnier budget.

Money doesnt mean success but if helps if spent correctly. Teams like Barnsley and Huddersfield will quite simply never compete in this division for promotion because of not being able to spend anything.

We still have a strong squad but my expectations have dropped from Svens season (top 2) to this budget (top 8)

If people want to think that's letting off Pearson easy so be it, if he does go at the end of the season I fear for the new man coming in! Easy job this, "you've got the tenth biggest budget in the division and if you aren't pretty much in the top two all year you're out!"

Don't get me wrong i don't envy anybody having the city job, it's has the potential to be a thankless task, but these people are payed well to produce results, and don't walk into the expectation blind.

I think you can work out that I am not Pearsons biggest fan but I do honestly hope he succeeds this season, but come on he's inherited a strong side that all he had to do was tweak it to his own needs, add his own players etc, but surely there can be no excuses if he's not got us challenging at least,why not, if i was paying him a reported million a year I would expect more than an average finish.

People are banging on about the players on big salaries not being worth the money, and get rid and bring in cheaper players to meet the financial rules, surely we might as well get a cheaper manager, if we are not going to compete and resign to the fact that the relegated teams will dominate.

I agree about Sven, he was exciting and brought excitement to the club, but sorry but Nigel just aint got that about him💤😀

[theessexfox]

Don't get me wrong i don't envy anybody having the city job, it's has the potential to be a thankless task, but these people are payed well to produce results, and don't walk into the expectation blind.

I think you can work out that I am not Pearsons biggest fan but I do honestly hope he succeeds this season, but come on he's inherited a strong side that all he had to do was tweak it to his own needs, add his own players etc, but surely there can be no excuses if he's not got us challenging at least,why not, if i was paying him a reported million a year I would expect more than an average finish.

People are banging on about the players on big salaries not being worth the money, and get rid and bring in cheaper players to meet the financial rules, surely we might as well get a cheaper manager, if we are not going to compete and resign to the fact that the relegated teams will dominate.

I agree about Sven, he was exciting and brought excitement to the club, but sorry but Nigel just aint got that about him

Gotta love the exciting times which ruin us financially. 

[Jace]

The way I look at it is rather than worrying what the other teams are doing is how are we compared to this time last season and tbh I would expect us to be better now a year on with such a young team.

[Monsell1976]

Gotta love the exciting times which ruin us financially.

Gotta love it.

I'm not getting into the Sven wanted the players but didn't agree the wages argument, it's boring.

But what he did bring was a bit of excitement around the club, lots of good publicity and for a short time it was exciting to follow lcfc, and something to get excited about, alot more excited than I am right now, sorry mr Pearson just doesn't have the same pull.

Financial ruin, in debt to the owners, who are billionaires, and if they pull the plug will have to write the debt off to sell us😞, don't see the bailiffs at the ground, and selling our assets I.e top players or ground.

These people are businessmen and will have a business plan, they just need there employees to deliever.

[Swiss_tony]

Well you're still allowed £8million overspend this season. For clubs that are close to breaking even already and have owners willing to back them, that's an £8million transfer kitty.

Three possible reasons why we're not spending:

1) we're not close enough to breaking even ie our wage bill is too high

2) the owners can't or don't want to back us further

3) Pearson reckons there are no good value signings available

 

FFP does not mean every club has the same amount of money to spend, it means their spending is tied to their profit/loss.

for 2013/14: if club A has a turnover of 100 million and made 1 million profit, and club b had a turnover of 50 million but made a 5 million profit, club b can spend an extra 13 million total on players for example (5 million profit plus 8 million equity investment and acceptable deviation) and be within ffp. club A can only spend 9 million despite being a 'bigger' club with higher turnover.

[woznotwos]

Gotta love it.

I'm not getting into the Sven wanted the players but didn't agree the wages argument, it's boring.

But what he did bring was a bit of excitement around the club, lots of good publicity and for a short time it was exciting to follow lcfc, and something to get excited about, alot more excited than I am right now, sorry mr Pearson just doesn't have the same pull.

Financial ruin, in debt to the owners, who are billionaires, and if they pull the plug will have to write the debt off to sell us, don't see the bailiffs at the ground, and selling our assets I.e top players or ground.

These people are businessmen and will have a business plan, they just need there employees to deliever.

Sven wanted the players but didn't agree the wages tho      

[Monsell1976]

Sven wanted the players but didn't agree the wages tho

😃 Are you a secret W U M Wozzer ðŸ˜

[Guest MattP]

These people are businessmen and will have a business plan, they just need there employees to deliever.

 

They may be businessman but in this game you can't get a monopoly on the industry from the government to ensure success.

 

From what has happened so far their only business objective appears to be squeezing every bit of money out of us as possible at interest rates a bank wouldn't dare put on a customer. If they did jhave a plan I'd love to see it, it wouldn't look out of the place on the first round of the junior apprentice.

 

Even if we get to the Prem soon which looks unlikely we'll need to be there a few years for them to get their money back.

 

As for Sven and excitement, I didn't get it, I enjoyed some of the footy, most of the footy was garbage, I didn't understand the sweet shop transfer policy and was sceptical to say the least. How anyone can find a foreign mercenary taking the piss out of them exciting is beyond me.

[Monsell1976]

They may be businessman but in this game you can't get a monopoly on the industry from the government to ensure success.

From what has happened so far their only business objective appears to be squeezing every bit of money out of us as possible at interest rates a bank wouldn't dare put on a customer. If they did jhave a plan I'd love to see it, it wouldn't look out of the place on the first round of the junior apprentice.

Even if we get to the Prem soon which looks unlikely we'll need to be there a few years for them to get their money back.

As for Sven and excitement, I didn't get it, I enjoyed some of the footy, most of the footy was garbage, I didn't understand the sweet shop transfer policy and was sceptical to say the least. How anyone can find a foreign mercenary taking the piss out of them exciting is beyond me.

I am guessing when they say they are in it for the long haul they probably mean it, like you say gonna take time to get there investment back.

I think they would be the first to admit they have made their own mistakes, again without causing another debate, not giving Sven the season to see if the man could have got us up, allowing the people at the club to pay over the odds for wages and fees, and so on and so on.

They do seemed to have woken up and realised that they know little about a football, and brought in football people.

Very naive to believe they are not very good at business, even if their mate runs the country, you don't become billionaires by being as good at business as some no mark, on a second rate show on tv.

Again back to the excitement of Sven, I don't think I was on my own there, and I'm sure there were plenty of sceptics like yourself, but I know Nigel fills no with no excitement at all.

[Guest Col city fan]

I'm quite looking forward to the season starting now. I believe the league to be massively competitive this year and its gonna be fascinating to see how we do.

I think we'll start badly, then get better as the season progresses.

Will the project be successful? It's gonna be tough.

[Guest MattP]

I am guessing when they say they are in it for the long haul they probably mean it, like you say gonna take time to get there investment back.

I think they would be the first to admit they have made their own mistakes, again without causing another debate, not giving Sven the season to see if the man could have got us up, allowing the people at the club to pay over the odds for wages and fees, and so on and so on.

They do seemed to have woken up and realised that they know little about a football, and brought in football people.

Very naive to believe they are not very good at business, even if their mate runs the country, you don't become billionaires by being as good at business as some no mark, on a second rate show on tv.

Again back to the excitement of Sven, I don't think I was on my own there, and I'm sure there were plenty of sceptics like yourself, but I know Nigel fills no with no excitement at all.

 

I think even me or you could become billionaires if we were given a completely monopoly on retail at Heathrow airport.

 

You have bored people with lots of money and hours to spare, what else are they going to do.

[Monsell1976]

You got any powerful friends, might be a few quid in it😉😄

[Guest MattP]

You got any powerful friends, might be a few quid in it

 

Only in Western governments unfortunately.

[seenitall]

On what are you basing your conclusion that the players are good enough?

Yeah that's exactly what I said... Go back to your troll hole!

Definition of a troll to you = anyone that doesnt agree with you = mostof the posters