Derby post match thread 0-1

[hackneyfox]

 

 

Of course we're all sad - we're all passionate about this club (although different in tone, I guess).

 

 

bnet has been a ticket holder for years, his passion shows in his frustration with the manager and his tactics (or perceived lack of).

Bnet has taken abuse from others on this board and this ban came about from someone claiming he would be happy that we'd lost and then Babylon piling in with a snide attack. I don't see DaveyG getting involved in arguments like this.

[MC Prussian]

Where did I say we had the right, I pointed out that we're big enough to be able to earn it.

I'm ****ing horried that our players and managers haven't earned the right in 10 years.

But that's not (solely) down to Pearson, is it?

Because it oftentimes appears to be the case with your criticism.

 

It is a culmination of many things happening at the same time or in succession and we've been hit badly in the past ten years. We're now on the course of recovery - and you don't just recover like that overnight.

[hackneyfox]

Isn't it a bit far-fetched and simplistic to imply that the poor delivery of content by the local press is down to the alleged failure of the local FC's manager to give more and better answers?

I mean, seriously?

 

The real issue with the press is a far bigger one. By a landslide. I give you a few hints: Internet, poor pay, poor leadership, bad economy, bad journalism, cheap journalism, populism.

Totally agree with you but once again your need to defend our glorious leader shines through.

'alleged failure'

[MC Prussian]

Totally agree with you but once again your need to defend our glorious leader shines through.

'alleged failure'

If you agree with me, then why the need to come up with your ludicrous assumption?

 

And what is Pearson doing wrong in the media department that other (previous) managers were doing right?

I'm all ears.

[hackneyfox]

But that's not (solely) down to Pearson, is it?

Because it oftentimes appears to be the case with your criticism.

 

Well that is clearly rubbish he hasn't been here for 10 years so clearly my criticism doesn't point to that.

 

The last 10 years happened not because we had a lot of managers but because we employed awful managers who should have been sacked earlier.

 

We're now just regurgitating all the pro/con arguments of the last 2 years, my point is that people have a right to those opinions and shouldn't be banned for them however rigorously they may defend them.

[MC Prussian]

Well that is clearly rubbish he hasn't been here for 10 years so clearly my criticism doesn't point to that.

 

The last 10 years happened not because we had a lot of managers but because we employed awful managers who should have been sacked earlier.

 

We're now just regurgitating all the pro/con arguments of the last 2 years, my point is that people have a right to those opinions and shouldn't be banned for them however rigorously they may defend them.

Again, I don't remember BNET making those connections with past failures from past managers and past owners in his posts. But I'll gladly retract my statement if you're able to point out where he said otherwise.

 

I admire your stance for your friend and your argumentation in his favor, but it's not up to me to uplift this ban. The ones affected directly will know better how to deal with it all. Personally, I think you're still downplaying his comments and abuse in order to make him look like a victim of a grand legal error.

 

EDIT: And to take your logic even further, we should've sacked even more managers even earlier, so that we can employ (and sack) even more managers. Smart move(s)? You think that's helpful in stabilizing a club?

[hackneyfox]

If you agree with me, then why the need to come up with your ludicrous assumption?

 

And what is Pearson doing wrong in the media department that other (previous) managers were doing right?

I'm all ears.

I'm bored now, once again you defend NFP by going to extremes, if you can't see what a dour uncommunative individual Pearson comes over as then it's a waste of my time trying to discuss this with you.

Pretty sure that just about everyone on this board is in agreement that Pearson could deal with the press in a better manner.

 

Edited to say:

It would appear that others at the club agree as from all accounts he has improved a tad this year.

[hackneyfox]

Again, I don't remember BNET making those connections with past failures from past managers and past owners in his posts. But I'll gladly retract my statement if you're able to point out where he said otherwise.

Why would he?

He wasn't blaming the last 10 years on Pearson, nor does Col, seenitall, myself, Monsell etc.

We're talking about the present and the wish to improve things it is you and others who constanlt harp on about the last 10 years being a reason for sticking with a very ordinary manager.

[Happy Fox]

Lets look at the facts, we underachieved last season, this season is NP's last chance saloon if he delivers promotion he may get a new contract and could start something special with City akin to MON, but there is no guarantee the Thais would give him a new contract as I have a feeling they may opt for a higher profile manager with more prem experience imo, but who knows what will happen.

 

Lets hope NP delivers us promotion.

[MC Prussian]

I'm bored now, once again you defend NFP by going to extremes, if you can't see what a dour uncommunative individual Pearson comes over as then it's a waste of my time trying to discuss this with you.

Pretty sure that just about everyone on this board is in agreement that Pearson could deal with the press in a better manner.

 

Edited to say:

It would appear that others at the club agree as from all accounts he has improved a tad this year.

How?

[MC Prussian]

Why would he?

He wasn't blaming the last 10 years on Pearson, nor does Col, seenitall, myself, Monsell etc.

We're talking about the present and the wish to improve things it is you and others who constanlt harp on about the last 10 years being a reason for sticking with a very ordinary manager.

Is winning the first two away fixtures in the league for the first time ever no improvement?

 

And if Pearson is so "very ordinary" in your eyes, how do you classify the ones that came before him? Again, no improvement?

 

Besides, I hardly "constantly" harp on about the last ten years. In fact, the vast majority of my posts in this sub-forum are about the happenings of here and now.

[hackneyfox]

EDIT: And to take your logic even further, we should've sacked even more managers even earlier, so that we can employ (and sack) even more managers. Smart move(s)? You think that's helpful in stabilizing a club?

Yes we should have sacked earlier but that wouldn't mean more managers would it if we'd employed a decent one.

Stability doesn't equate to success, it may help but it doesn't guarantee anything.

[hackneyfox]

Is winning the first two away fixtures in the league for the first time ever no improvement?

 

And if Pearson is so "very ordinary" in your eyes, how do you classify the ones that came before him?

 

Besides, I hardly "constantly" harp on about the last ten years. In fact, the vast majority of my posts in this sub-forum are about the happenings of here and now.

The results are an improvement but without an improvement in style of play that will probably soon change.

 

Dogshit

 

Apologies I don't keep a list of who said what, many of the pro perason crew go on about the turnover of managers over the last 10.

[alwyne webster]

As ive said before id sooner have our nigel than there nigel,that bloke hasent got a clue managing a  championship side,how hes kept his job ,god only knows,so i think we had a head start.So our nigel ,keep the lads going ,they must be having a great team spirit going  right now,so prepare them for the next game ,one at a time.its keeping the foroms spirit up too,COME ON CITY HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY.

[MC Prussian]

Yes we should have sacked earlier but that wouldn't mean more managers would it if we'd employed a decent one.

Stability doesn't equate to success, it may help but it doesn't guarantee anything.

Nobody can tell, nobody will be able to tell because the club did what the club deemed necessary.

The managers they employed all seemed to be "decent" at first, only to fail later on.

 

I could equally say that sacking managers for the sake of it is counter-productive.

[MC Prussian]

The results are an improvement but without an improvement in style of play that will probably soon change.

 

Dogshit

 

Apologies I don't keep a list of who said what, many of the pro perason crew go on about the turnover of managers over the last 10.

So, you acknowledge we've made improvements? Thank you. Something positive to say at last... Even though you're just waiting for the manager to fail.

 

Did us sacking manager after manager really help in any way other than adding more weight to the wage bill scales?

[Monsell1976]

That's all fine and dandy and I appreciate your effort and approach, I really do.

Luckily, the heated discussions have toned down quite a bit and my assumption is many have realized that only time will tell whether Pearson and his style of football is/was worth the abuse.

I don't see the point in getting all wound up about it now.

Of course we're all sad - we're all passionate about this club (although different in tone, I guess).

But one thing has to be said - your assertion that it's Pearson's "fault" that he allegedly doesn't seek the contact with the public or the fans and comes across as being "arrogant" is probably as true as me saying that the majority of the people criticizing him have never had a talk with him before.

I can only speak for myself regarding your assumptions, but I am resigned to the fact we are stuck with him, and I hold no aspirations for the season, and am bored of his tactics.

Yes we have 7 points out of 9 a positive points return,I would rather been entertained, than watch the lack of attacking intent, like the Leeds game, it seems to me he sets up not to lose, rather than to win, all is well if that gets us promoted, but not my idea of an entertaining pass time, and can't see us getting anywhere with these tactics long term.

He doesn't have appeared to have sorted the confidence/ form issue out, as we look out of sorts, 3 points from a better half second half at boro, shocking first half, shockingly out of sorts at home to Leeds, and was battered at times at derby, and looked out of sorts,but got three points, will we continue to pick up points if things don't change? I don't think so, we will see how good we are when we play Wigan in a couple of weeks.

So am I happy he's still here "no", have I seen more to get excited about, than be concerned about "no", so I will follow the team as I always have, but the jury is still out on Pearson for me, and just resigned to the fact we have him for the season.

And I am not saying it's Pearson fault that he doesn't talk to the fans, I would expect him to be working hard to get the team sorted, and yes he does work hard ( that was praise for him). And I don't think there is a manager in the land that would have a one to one with a fan, he probably wants to speak to me, as much as I wouldn't want to speak with him.

[hackneyfox]

I could equally say that sacking managers for the sake of it is counter-productive.

Erm who would sack the manager for the sake of it, it costs in compensation.

 

Please stick to reality.

[hackneyfox]

So, you acknowledge we've made improvements? Thank you. Something positive to say at last... Even though you're just waiting for the manager to fail.

 

Did us sacking manager after manager really help in any way other than adding more weight to the wage bill scales?

You don't even see what your'e doing do you?

 

It would be Churlish and ****ing stupid to claim that results haven't improved.

The lack of passing and goals should worry all of us though.

 

Should we have stuck with Taylor then, would we better off now?

Same with Levein?

Kelly?

[Corky]

You don't even see what your'e doing do you?

 

It would be Churlish and ****ing stupid to claim that results haven't improved.

The lack of passing and goals should worry all of us though.

 

Should we have stuck with Taylor then, would we better off now?

Same with Levein?

Kelly?

 

The only one we probably shouldn't have replaced was Pearson in 2010, who had us competing again and winning games regularly.

[MC Prussian]

You don't even see what your'e doing do you?

 

It would be Churlish and ****ing stupid to claim that results haven't improved.

The lack of passing and goals should worry all of us though.

 

Should we have stuck with Taylor then, would we better off now?

Same with Levein?

Kelly?

Why? We're winning (ugly) - isn't that what counts if you want to get places in this division?

 

We've had a terrific spell under Eriksson with some great passing football - and it led us nowhere other than an ungrateful 7th place in the standings.

 

Would you rather play spectacular football and remain in the Championship or grind out results and get promoted?

Because that's exactly what Cardiff, Hull (and Palace to some extent) did last season - it didn't work out for Watford, did it?

[MC Prussian]

I can only speak for myself regarding your assumptions, but I am resigned to the fact we are stuck with him, and I hold no aspirations for the season, and am bored of his tactics.

Yes we have 7 points out of 9 a positive points return,I would rather been entertained, than watch the lack of attacking intent, like the Leeds game, it seems to me he sets up not to lose, rather than to win, all is well if that gets us promoted, but not my idea of an entertaining pass time, and can't see us getting anywhere with these tactics long term.

He doesn't have appeared to have sorted the confidence/ form issue out, as we look out of sorts, 3 points from a better half second half at boro, shocking first half, shockingly out of sorts at home to Leeds, and was battered at times at derby, and looked out of sorts,but got three points, will we continue to pick up points if things don't change? I don't think so, we will see how good we are when we play Wigan in a couple of weeks.

So am I happy he's still here "no", have I seen more to get excited about, than be concerned about "no", so I will follow the team as I always have, but the jury is still out on Pearson for me, and just resigned to the fact we have him for the season.

And I am not saying it's Pearson fault that he doesn't talk to the fans, I would expect him to be working hard to get the team sorted, and yes he does work hard ( that was praise for him). And I don't think there is a manager in the land that would have a one to one with a fan, he probably wants to speak to me, as much as I wouldn't want to speak with him.

You claim to have no aspirations for the game, then go on about with a rather negative outlook which means to me that you DO have aspirations, after all.

Something doesn't add up in that equation. You DO care, even though you want me (and others) make believe that you don't!

 

Whether he has addressed the confidence issue or not remains to be seen - I don't think you can come to a rational conclusion this early into the season, as all or almost all teams are still trying to find their best shape, formation and tactics.

[MC Prussian]

Erm who would sack the manager for the sake of it, it costs in compensation.

 

Please stick to reality.

Exactly, being a manager at Leicester City will always be a costly affair, because of the so-called "status" of the club and the owners' and fans' aspirations to make it back to the top flight.

 

Which "decent" manager would want to join us for close to nothing?

Whether it's fair or not to pay Pearson the (alleged) £1m a year - show me a manager with his track record that comes cheaper.

[hackneyfox]

Why? We're winning (ugly) - isn't that what counts if you want to get places in this division?

 

We've had a terrific spell under Eriksson with some great passing football - and it led us nowhere other than an ungrateful 7th place in the standings.

 

Would you rather play spectacular football and remain in the Championship or grind out results and get promoted?

Because that's exactly what Cardiff, Hull (and Palace to some extent) did last season - it didn't work out for Watford, did it?

You have to play ugly to get anywhere in this league?

 

Is it only a choice of the 2?

 

Do you really think that scoring 2 goals every 3 games will get us promoted?

Just how many shots have we had so far? Probably less in 3 games than we did in almost any of our games in the first half of last season.

 

I'm expecting that to get better, I'm hoping that for the moment he's just keeping it tight and that we'll soon start to open up a bit, unfortunately Pearson's track record doesn't fill me with hope.

[hackneyfox]

 I don't think you can come to a rational conclusion this early into the season, as all or almost all teams are still trying to find their best shape, formation and tactics.

ho hum

You appear to have come to the conclusion that we're going to do a Cardiff.