Rainbow Laces Campaign

[Guest MattP]

For what it's worth I believe consenting adults can do what they want.

I don't regard gimp sex, orgies etc as natural either when heterosexuals do it but I wouldn't stop it.

In society that doesn't seem to be enough though these days, unless you agree with the moral viewpoint of most you'll be slandered and jeered at by the masses.

[Strokes]

Did I say it was Essex?

Strokes. You seriously telling me the receiving animal is giving consent?

Hope you are both right though of course.

i thought we talking about peados and gays, not animals. I really dont give a shit what 2 consenting adults get up to behind closed doors. Just keep the damn thing to yourselves, why do you need approval anyway.

[Strokes]

In society that doesn't seem to be enough though these days, unless you agree with the moral viewpoint of most you'll be slandered and jeered at by the masses.

Conformists

[Guest MattP]

i thought we talking about peados and gays, not animals. I really dont give a shit what 2 consenting adults get up to behind closed doors. Just keep the damn thing to yourselves, why do you need approval anyway.

Completely agree.

But if people like Sam Dick and Dame Ben Summerskull want to force it society by virtually demanding footballers wear pink laces or by wandering around town centres with nipple clamps and their bare arse out then they shouldn't be surprised if they encounter some resentment.

I would imagine a lot of less vocal gay people would feel the same.

[Captain...]

For what it's worth I believe consenting adults can do what they want.

I don't regard gimp sex, orgies etc as natural either when heterosexuals do it but I wouldn't stop it.

Neither is marriage or monogamy.

In society that doesn't seem to be enough though these days, unless you agree with the moral viewpoint of most you'll be slandered and jeered at by the masses.

It is not about agreeing with the moral viewpoint, you don't have to approve of bum sex to be able to accept homosexuals.

[BoneDog]

There are no naturally homosexual animals.

 

Those lions you see bumming are doing it because only one dominant male lion out of the group gets to bone the whole female pride. The other males don't get one female between them so they go off and bum for a bit. The same with the elephants who have to do it with other males, or a rock or whatever else is handy because of that chemical called 'musth' behind their eyes that makes them blind and causes extreme pain if they don't release the elephant juice.

 

Male elephants and lions etc. are forced out of the herd by the dominant males or females in some cases. Herd animals have to fight for the right to mate with the opposite sex. Not many of them get the chance - so they turn gay if they can't control their 'desires'.

[Zingari]

sexuality is a spectrum.

what ? it's just a game ?

[Captain...]

There are no naturally homosexual animals.

 

Those lions you see bumming are doing it because only one dominant male lion out of the group gets to bone the whole female pride. The other males don't get one female between them so they go off and bum for a bit. The same with the elephants who have to do it with other males, or a rock or whatever else is handy because of that chemical called 'musth' behind their eyes that makes them blind and causes extreme pain if they don't release the elephant juice.

 

Male elephants and lions etc. are forced out of the herd by the dominant males or females in some cases. Herd animals have to fight for the right to mate with the opposite sex. Not many of them get the chance - so they turn gay if they can't control their 'desires'.

 

So what your saying is it is perfectly natural for ugly men who can't any pussy to go gay, there may be some truth in that:

 

  

[Mark_w]

There are no naturally homosexual animals.

 

Those lions you see bumming are doing it because only one dominant male lion out of the group gets to bone the whole female pride. The other males don't get one female between them so they go off and bum for a bit. The same with the elephants who have to do it with other males, or a rock or whatever else is handy because of that chemical called 'musth' behind their eyes that makes them blind and causes extreme pain if they don't release the elephant juice.

 

Male elephants and lions etc. are forced out of the herd by the dominant males or females in some cases. Herd animals have to fight for the right to mate with the opposite sex. Not many of them get the chance - so they turn gay if they can't control their 'desires'.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040309073256.htm

 

 

Kay Larkin, Ph.D., an OHSU electron microscopist who performed laboratory analysis for the study, said scientists now have a marker that points to whether a ram may prefer other rams over ewes.

 

"There's a difference in the brain that is correlated with partner preference rather than gender of the animal you're looking at," she said. About 8 percent of domestic rams display preferences for other males as sexual partners. Scientists don't believe it's related to dominance or flock hierarchy; rather, their typical motor pattern for intercourse is merely directed at rams instead of ewes.

[lgfualol]

Can see the same excuses being trotted out for paedophilia in 50 years time.

Oh they can't help it...ohh its natural...animals do it...peadophobe!

 

It worries me people think like you do. 

[Freeman's Wharfer]

I think people are confusing natural with normal. Yes, homosexual feelings come to people naturally, they don't want to be gay or make themselves attracted to the same sex. However, nature and the primary goal of nature (i.e. to mate with the opposite sex for preservation of the species), suggests that to be gay is not normal.

That said, someone being gay shouldn't mean that they are persecuted or have any less rights than straight people in the main (and I say 'in the main' because I personally don't agree with gay adoption as that forces the adopted child into a situation that is markedly different to that of their peers - granted sometimes for the better, but also sometimes for the worse).

[Guest MattP]

It worries me people think like you do.

It worries me when people make no argument back.

[The Year Of The Fox]

It worries me when people make no argument back.

[Captain...]

It worries me when people make no argument back.

 

I will then, as you know I love a good debate, the main difference for me between homosexuality and paedophilia is the act of sex with children is illegal and non consensual.

 

Now I'm not an expert on why people are gay or paedophiles, but if we take the very questionable point of view that both are uncontrollable attractions that is a result of genetics, and that a gay person shouldn't be judged for finding the same sex attractive, then by that logic a paedophile shouldn't be judged for finding a child attractive, that is basically your argument. In some ways that is correct, people shouldn't be judged on their sexual preferences, but the moment a paedophile acts on that attraction they are breaking the law and should be imprisoned as a danger to society, whereas if a gay man has consensual sex with another man then nothing illegal or morally wrong has occurred.

 

Now personally I don't believe paedophilia is a genetic trait and it seems, based on anecdotal evidence, that it is very often  result of systematic abuse from a very early age and is based around exerting power over the victim and not sexual gratification and can therefore be cured with psychiatric counselling, but that is another discussion.

[lgfualol]

It worries me when people make no argument back.

 

What's the point? You're obviously not going to say "oh, hey you're right, I am a bigot". 

[The Year Of The Fox]

What's the point? You're obviously not going to say "oh, hey you're right, I am a bigot".

And why should he just because your views are different to his?

[Mack]

And why should he just because your views are different to his?

 

Because if you don't adhere to the mainstream media pumped point of view you are branded a bigot or a moron etc...

God forbid you actually express any such views on a public forum.

[The Year Of The Fox]

Because if you don't adhere to the mainstream media pumped point of view you are branded a bigot or a moron etc...

God forbid you actually express any such views on a public forum.

Correct

[leicsmac]

And why should he just because your views are different to his?

 

 

Because if you don't adhere to the mainstream media pumped point of view you are branded a bigot or a moron etc...

God forbid you actually express any such views on a public forum.

 

People are welcome to express their own views on homosexuality. What the issue is is the lack of rational reasoning behind practically all of the negative ones.

 

Pretty much every reason for actively being against equality in terms of this is fallacious, from the "slippery slope" fallacy (oh, homosexuals are equal so paedophiles will be soon too) to the "limited information" fallacy (it doesn't lead to procreation, when the majority of sex is for recreational purposes anyway).

 

This is a public forum and you're absolutely fine to say whatever you like, but don't pretend that there is any logic or rationality behind a dislike of homosexuals. 

[Strokes]

Its been ingrained in this country by way of laws and religion that homosexuality is wrong for absolute centuries, its hardly suprising that some people hold this view. You cannot preach tollerance but refuse to tollerate anyone with a different point of view.

I can understand why people are uncomfortable with it and theyre opinion is just as important as anyone elses. Labelling people bigots and morons is pretty hypocritical imho.

[leicsmac]

Its been ingrained in this country by way of laws and religion that homosexuality is wrong for absolute centuries, its hardly suprising that some people hold this view. You cannot preach tollerance but refuse to tollerate anyone with a different point of view.

I can understand why people are uncomfortable with it and theyre opinion is just as important as anyone elses. Labelling people bigots and morons is pretty hypocritical imho.

 

Yeah, I wouldn't call it bigoted or moronic, everyone is welcome to their point of view. Just irrational and illogical.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

You MUST be joking.

[/uote]

Garbage. They feel persecuted because they are a minority, and we all know that minorities spend their time feeling sorry for themselves,

[ADK]

I don't think having racist or homophobic views should be tolerated. The amount of logical fallacies on display here is staggering.

[leicsmac]

 

You MUST be joking.

[/uote]

Garbage. They feel persecuted because they are a minority, and we all know that minorities spend their time feeling sorry for themselves,

 

 

And of course majorities don't spend a lot of time bitching about increased time and resources being spent on minorities at all.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

When you say it's wrong to present it as 'normal' or 'the norm', what exactly do you mean?

 

Are you saying it's wrong to promote it as natural at all and that it should be discouraged?

Like all of natures animals Mark, we are put on this earth to propagate. That is why we have two sexes. Fairly basic I would have thought. Accidents of nature do happen, and that is why we have homosexuals and lesbians.

I also notice that people afflicted by this mistake of nature, don't liked being called what they are, and so have invented a change to the real meaning of the word gay.