IDS not attending debate on 'bedroom tax' in Parliment

[Zingari]

No, but maybe some of the people offended on their behalf are. Every disadvantage that these  tenants are suffering could apply equally to those in private rented accommodation but nobody cared then.

As far as i'm aware , this  ruling doesn't apply to private tenants . So long as the rent is below a certain limit the number of bedrooms is irrelevant . 

 

edit;

it doesn't affect private tenants

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21321113

[Strokes]

Wtf is all this talk of mobiliy ? What about stability in families? Or are we intended to become a nation of gipsies constantly moving around ?

Surely building more houses creates jobs etc and the rental income would pay for them in future years ,

WTF, people move about all the time and I'm not sure how pc it is to refer to gypsies in such a negative manner

[Zingari]

WTF, people move about all the time and I'm not sure how pc it is to refer to gypsies in such a negative manner

Choosing to constantly move around and being forced to move because of financial pressure are two quite different things , and I'm not having a go at gipsies ( i quite envy them in a way)  , but i doubt if the nation could be run along those lines   

[Strokes]

As far as i'm aware , this ruling doesn't apply to private tenants . So long as the rent is below a certain limit the number of bedrooms is irrelevant .

The reason this ruling won't affect private tennants is it is already a similar system in place. If privately you went for a three bedroom but needed a two, you get the allowance for a two and make up the difference yourself. Which is fair.

[Captain...]

Choosing to constantly move around and being forced to move because of financial pressure are two quite different things , and I'm not having a go at gipsies ( i quite envy them in a way)  , but i doubt if the nation could be run along those lines   

 

But non scroungers have to move because of financial pressures, so why should scroungers get better treatment than tax payers? 

[cambridgefox]

I'm out!

[Captain...]

The reason this ruling won't affect private tennants is it is already a similar system in place. If privately you went for a three bedroom but needed a two, you get the allowance for a two and make up the difference yourself. Which is fair.

 

But that's a choice you make, not one forced upon you.

[Webbo]

As far as i'm aware , this  ruling doesn't apply to private tenants . So long as the rent is below a certain limit the number of bedrooms is irrelevant . 

 

edit;

it doesn't affect private tenants

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21321113

 

What is the situation for tenants of private landlords?

Councils calculate housing benefit for private tenants using the Local Housing Allowance. This is based on typical rent prices in an area and the number of bedrooms deemed necessary for a household. The latter is worked out along broadly similar lines to those now in place for social housing tenants.

The maximum amount of housing benefit someone can receive as a private tenant is capped at £250 per week for a one bedroom property, £290 for two bedrooms, £340 for three bedrooms and £400 for four bedrooms.

 

[Zingari]

The reason this ruling won't affect private tennants is it is already a similar system in place. If privately you went for a three bedroom but needed a two, you get the allowance for a two and make up the difference yourself. Which is fair.

i think the criteria is more to do with the actual amount of rent , nothing to do with the number of bedrooms  

[davieG]

So after hearing the foxes talk massive debate this has IDS decided he must attend?

[Strokes]

Choosing to constantly move around and being forced to move because of financial pressure are two quite different things , and I'm not having a go at gipsies ( i quite envy them in a way) , but i doubt if the nation could be run along those lines

You don't think people have to downsize because of financial constraints in the private market?

[purpleronnie]

I can understand the reasoning behind the tax, but it was never going to work unless there was a huge amount of social housing available with 1 or 2 bedrooms, the government knew this and so it's exploitation of those less fortunate.

[hackneyfox]

Plenty of families now being forced to leave friends and relatives behind as London councils force them to move elsewhere, one woman was told to go to Birmingham, a place she had never even visited.

[Zingari]

You don't think people have to downsize because of financial constraints in the private market?

No  I see that and it is a good relevant point  , but this is making a bad situation for the less well off even worse

.We should be trying to help people up not drag others down to even things out

[absolutelegend]

Plenty of families now being forced to leave friends and relatives behind as London councils force them to move elsewhere

 

no dif to people who can't afford to buy / rent there

[ADK]

I don't think it is good for the wellbeing of people to force them to move away from friends and family. I don't have an issue with asking someone to downsize to a more suitable house in roughly the same geographic location if there is one available.

 

I don't think it is right for someone to be financially penalised for living in a house when there is no smaller alternative available.

[Captain...]

 

But the difference is choice, claiming housing benefit and renting off a private landlord means you have a choice, you are entitled to this amount, go and rent somewhere within your means. 

 

The bedroom "tax" doesn't offer that choice, it is basically saying move out or pay more to the lowest earners, it's almost as if they want to empty all the social houses so they can sell them off...

[Webbo]

I don't think it is good for the wellbeing of people to force them to move away from friends and family. I don't have an issue with asking someone to downsize to a more suitable house in roughly the same geographic location if there is one available.

 

I don't think it is right for someone to be financially penalised for living in a house when there is no smaller alternative available.

But if someone can stay in a house that's too big for them and not suffer any financial penalty what's the incentive to move?

[Captain...]

no dif to people who can't afford to buy / rent there

 

It is, because they can choose where they move to, not be sent to Birmingham, nobody deserves that.

[Webbo]

But the difference is choice, claiming housing benefit and renting off a private landlord means you have a choice, you are entitled to this amount, go and rent somewhere within your means. 

 

The bedroom "tax" doesn't offer that choice, it is basically saying move out or pay more to the lowest earners, it's almost as if they want to empty all the social houses so they can sell them off...

Now you're just being silly.

[ADK]

But if someone can stay in a house that's too big for them and not suffer any financial penalty what's the incentive to move?

 

As I understand it there is no attempt to ensure a smaller house is actually available before issuing a penalty.

 

If the scheme were simply modified with an acceptable criteria for defining a suitable house agreed, then I think the scheme would be more widely accepted.

 

The tenant should be given the choice either to accept the penalty or to agree to move to a smaller house in the same region given reasonable notice. That would be a lot fairer.

[Zingari]

As I understand it there is no attempt to ensure a smaller house is actually available before issuing a penalty.

 

If the scheme were simply modified with an acceptable criteria for defining a suitable house agreed, then I think the scheme would be more widely accepted.

 

The tenant should be given the choice either to accept the penalty or to agree to move to a smaller house in the same region given reasonable notice. That would be a lot fairer.

I think that's the whole problem ADK , there's probably not a lot wrong with the concept in principle , but the execution is woefully lacking in planning.   

[Zingari]

I'm out!

That's a shock CF  , i thought you were a happy family man ,

But there's no point in continually living a lie . 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest MattP]

So you admit it is not about housing people, or even making money (because it won't) it is just about punishing scroungers?

 

Bit of both, if some are moving it will be making money. Some have moved into smaller houses so that will be. Of course you won't be able to sort out everyone but just because you can't do that doesn't mean you just leave everyone.

 

But also hopefully a strong message to these people that society isn't just going to stand by make the taxpayer fund a lot of peoples lives who can't be bothered or assume as they have some mild disability they should have their whole existance paid for.

[davieG]

Bit of both, if some are moving it will be making money. Some have moved into smaller houses so that will be. Of course you won't be able to sort out everyone but just because you can't do that doesn't mean you just leave everyone.

 

But also hopefully a strong message to these people that society isn't just going to stand by make the taxpayer fund a lot of peoples lives who can't be bothered or assume as they have some mild disability they should have their whole existance paid for.

Unless it's to get the breast feeding