Walshys Rant

[Rhysm]

If you have 2 piles of cow dung and one could be argued to smell marginally less then the other - does it matter?

 

The fact that some argue Sven to be worse then Taylor is irrelevant - Taylor was rubbish in his own right.

[cityfanlee23]

You're ranting too.

It's too easy to simply call Taylor a cvnt. Try to look at his failure in some context. If you simply dismiss that many of the players never got over MON leaving then you'll never know the bigger picture. I ask you again. Did you disagree with his appointment at the time? Very few did. I fear however, that trying to have a conversation with you on this is futile. 'Taylor's a cvnt who should be hung' is easier isn't it.

I'm not defending the man. I'm saying that he would have had to have been very very good to have taken on O'Neils reigns. That squad was full of big personalities at the time. He tried to change things, but failed.

 

Everything is the same with that moron col,

 

Don't even lower yourself to his standards, I agree with pretty much everything people have said, 

 

He was not good enough, it helped ruin us.

 

We are not still feeling the effects, we have never been good enough to sustain it, Even MON wouldnt of sustained it, and he knew that. 

 

He simply was NOT good enough.

 

Move on, it's boring now. all club debts caused by him have been resolved a long while ago, we have new owners and are only facing debts that are covered by them, and have been caused by them, because manderic cleared all debts when he bought us.

 

And the new owners cleared the small debts manderic left.

 

The fact is, You cannot say that 3 owners later, about 39 new managers, and 45867 players, we are still where we are because of him, we've never had "MONEY" to blow, it just so happened that the year we did, we gave the money to an idiot to spend,

He bought who he thought was right, I don't remember any street violence when he initially signed them?

 

he's not a top quality manager, but he's not to blame for every problem we have. We've not been good enough since 2004 to warrant anything. 

 

 

Get over it.

 

It's a "What if" but apparantly we are not allowed "What if" comments on here?

 

It's a sad thing that if he had just spent the money wisely and shown the management he showed initially with MON's side, we don't know where we would be now? could have been a bloody good squad.

 

But we are not. 

 

Lets hope pearson can do what MON done.

[Quorndon_Fox]

I'll always despise Peter Taylor and I can't see that changing.

 

Yes, Sven cocked things up pretty badly but we were an average championship team when he got his hands on us and we ended up an average champ team with a load of high paid monkeys lounging around the place. When Taylor got his horrible little hands on us we were flying and had been a top 10 Prem team for the past few years, we ended up with people like Lee Marshall and Junior Lewis playing for us before getting relegated. Taylor was far worse in my opinion. I don't care which of them managed England previously and which managed Grimsby - Taylor was turd.

To be fair we made £100,000 profit on selling on the useless bastard that was Lee Marshall. Just goes to show that there was someone worse than Taylor with an eye for a shit buy!

[seenitall]

Taylor's reign in stat form = 13th Prem first season inc cup quarter finals  and he was fired a quarter of the way into the next season admittedly -  we were gash but we had performed badly over a period of around 18 games from the Wycombe game - approximately as long as Nige's bad run last year a division lower - he only got 4 points less than NP's team playing Prem teams rather than the crap in div 2 across those 18 respective games.

 

I remember being indifferent about his appointment but his career with us is really defined by Panikbye and Wycombe defeat - he did have us top of the Prem a few games in though with a top of the table clash with Man U where we were above them!!!

 

He was crap but it does show how far our expectations have dropped for where we are now - I thought Bassett was worse TBH

[cityfanlee23]

Taylor's reign in stat form = 13th Prem first season inc cup quarter finals  and he was fired a quarter of the way into the next season admittedly -  we were gash but we had performed badly over a period of around 18 games from the Wycombe game - approximately as long as Nige's bad run last year a division lower - he only got 4 points less than NP's team playing Prem teams rather than the crap in div 2 across those 18 respective games.

 

I remember being indifferent about his appointment but his career with us is really defined by Panikbye and Wycombe defeat - he did have us top of the Prem a few games in though with a top of the table clash with Man U where we were above them!!!

 

He was crap but it does show how far our expectations have dropped for where we are now - I thought Bassett was worse TBH

 

And shows how bad the fans have got!

 

Content with how we are now,

 

If you quote that there is anything wrong with the team then you get into arguments and get banned!

 

Mad world, 

 

Typical leicester fans, if they hate somebody then blame them for stones in the street. Wellens gallagher, etc etc.

 

If they love someone then they can do no wrong....

[ADK]

If Peter Taylor had done well elsewhere then I'd be inclined to think it might have had something to do with our situation that made the job very difficult.

 

The truth is, every time he's poked his head above the 3rd tier he's been useless. We took a chance on an up and coming manager and it didn't pay off. Should we have gone for more experience? Possibly. We might still have been relegated.

[Guest Col city fan]

Peter Taylor did a lot to damage this club, but I don't hate him, (nor Sven or Holloway, life's too short). He had an impossible act to follow, we were massively overacheiving for our size and our players and that was due to MON, nobody could have replaced him, but what we needed was an experienced head not, a promising up and coming manager (I didn't think this at the time, especially as our policy had always been to appoint young up and coming managers, Little, McGhee, O'Neill).

Everyone of MON's squad was actually giving 110%, he had that magic that everyone played out of their skins for him, but that had taken time to build, we tried to compensate for that by giving him a bigger budget, but that was never going to be enough. Taylor was on a hiding to nothing, but that doesn't mean he didn't make mistakes, and make some big ones, his handling of Collymore being one, Akinbiyi, Benjamin, Junior Lewis and Lee Marshall were others, they could have been the new Heskey, Lennon and Izzett, but they had had more time to develop into their roles. Taylor's signings needed to be great from the start and they weren't, we also didn't sign enough experienced prem players. We started the season in a bit of a bubble, but as soon as that popped we dropped like a stone. I don't see it having turned out any different under any other manager. Nobody could have replaced MON and losing Heskey and Lennon was a massive blow, but the same would have happened under Harry, or anyone else, we would have overspent and underacheived compared to the MON years. Possibly not as disastrously as Taylor, but possibly worse who knows, but I'm not going to hate Taylor for failing at an impossible job.

Couldn't have put it better myself...

From Col, the drum-beater..

[Guest MattP]

Sven did cause us issues with regards to overspending etc, but the consequences were nowhere near as bad as the position that Taylor put us in.

So there is no comparison. Taylor left us utterly broken.

 

They are far worse.

 

We went into admin after Taylor with debts of 30millionish. Our accounts after Sven left show an 80million debt.

 

Only difference is we have someone prepared to underwrite our debts at the minute.

[Guest Col city fan]

They are far worse.

We went into admin after Taylor with debts of 30millionish. Our accounts after Sven left show an 80million debt.

Only difference is we have someone prepared to underwrite our debts at the minute.

Am I missing something? Taylor signed some utter dross (eg. Lee Marshall) but didn't he leave us with a squad that were more than capable of bouncing straight back up? Admittedly, that's not a big accolade.

But Sven (and the current Board) left us with a completely messy squad of total misfits that Pearson has had one Helluva job to turn round. And an incredible amount of debt.

[Guest MattP]

Am I missing something? Taylor signed some utter dross (eg. Lee Marshall) but didn't he leave us with a squad that were more than capable of bouncing straight back up? Admittedly, that's not a big accolade.

But Sven (and the current Board) left us with a completely messy squad of total misfits that Pearson has had one Helluva job to turn round. And an incredible amount of debt.

 

Exactly I'm in complete agreement with you.

[Kitchandro]

Impossible job is such an overused phrase.

 

It is possible not to shit £30m up the wall and turn a top half side into relegation fodder within a year.

 

We may have been overachieving a bit but hardly massively.

[fleckneymike]

Am I missing something? Taylor signed some utter dross (eg. Lee Marshall) but didn't he leave us with a squad that were more than capable of bouncing straight back up? Admittedly, that's not a big accolade.

But Sven (and the current Board) left us with a completely messy squad of total misfits that Pearson has had one Helluva job to turn round. And an incredible amount of debt.

 

No he left us with just enough of MON players to get us back up. Adams ripped out virtually every single Taylor signing bar Scowcroft (the next Teddy Sherringham according to Taylor), Davidson (occasionally) and Walker.

 

Peter Taylor is, and was, ****ing atrocious. The only man to come close is McLintock. Anyone who argues otherwise is an utter bellend.

[sylofox]

No he left us with just enough of MON players to get us back up. Adams ripped out virtually every single Taylor signing bar Scowcroft (the next Teddy Sherringham according to Taylor), Davidson (occasionally) and Walker.

 

Peter Taylor is, and was, ****ing atrocious. The only man to come close is McLintock. Anyone who argues otherwise is an utter bellend.

 

No he left us with just enough of MON players to get us back up. Adams ripped out virtually every single Taylor signing bar Scowcroft (the next Teddy Sherringham according to Taylor), Davidson (occasionally) and Walker.

 

Peter Taylor is, and was, ****ing atrocious. The only man to come close is McLintock. Anyone who argues otherwise is an utter bellend.

+1 your so right.

Shame most on here were not born when McLintock fvcked up a great side.

 

Taylor looked good and took us top with MON's side once he got rid of Lennon and changed the play we went down hill with a rocket attached.

 

They are without doubt our worst 2 managers in my living memory followed close by Pleat.

 

But our worst ever season was going down to div 3 the third tire.

But I don't blame any manager for that it was down to one person MM.

you can't change management like he did and expect to stay up.

[BNET]

Everything is the same with that moron col,

 

Don't even lower yourself to his standards, I agree with pretty much everything people have said, 

 

He was not good enough, it helped ruin us.

 

We are not still feeling the effects, we have never been good enough to sustain it, Even MON wouldnt of sustained it, and he knew that. 

 

He simply was NOT good enough.

 

Move on, it's boring now. all club debts caused by him have been resolved a long while ago, we have new owners and are only facing debts that are covered by them, and have been caused by them, because manderic cleared all debts when he bought us.

 

And the new owners cleared the small debts manderic left.

 

The fact is, You cannot say that 3 owners later, about 39 new managers, and 45867 players, we are still where we are because of him, we've never had "MONEY" to blow, it just so happened that the year we did, we gave the money to an idiot to spend,

He bought who he thought was right, I don't remember any street violence when he initially signed them?

 

he's not a top quality manager, but he's not to blame for every problem we have. We've not been good enough since 2004 to warrant anything. 

 

 

Get over it.

 

It's a "What if" but apparantly we are not allowed "What if" comments on here?

 

It's a sad thing that if he had just spent the money wisely and shown the management he showed initially with MON's side, we don't know where we would be now? could have been a bloody good squad.

 

But we are not. 

 

Lets hope pearson can do what MON done.

Just back from the **** of the year awards eh Lee ?

[sylofox]

Everything is the same with that moron col,

 

Don't even lower yourself to his standards, I agree with pretty much everything people have said, 

 

He was not good enough, it helped ruin us.

 

We are not still feeling the effects, we have never been good enough to sustain it, Even MON wouldnt of sustained it, and he knew that. 

 

He simply was NOT good enough.

 

Move on, it's boring now. all club debts caused by him have been resolved a long while ago, we have new owners and are only facing debts that are covered by them, and have been caused by them, because manderic cleared all debts when he bought us.

 

And the new owners cleared the small debts manderic left.

 

The fact is, You cannot say that 3 owners later, about 39 new managers, and 45867 players, we are still where we are because of him, we've never had "MONEY" to blow, it just so happened that the year we did, we gave the money to an idiot to spend,

He bought who he thought was right, I don't remember any street violence when he initially signed them?

 

he's not a top quality manager, but he's not to blame for every problem we have. We've not been good enough since 2004 to warrant anything. 

 

 

Get over it.

 

It's a "What if" but apparantly we are not allowed "What if" comments on here?

 

It's a sad thing that if he had just spent the money wisely and shown the management he showed initially with MON's side, we don't know where we would be now? could have been a bloody good squad.

 

But we are not. 

 

Lets hope pearson can do what MON done.

You are so wrong the debts are with the club they have loaned not given the money.

They also own the ground.

LCFC owe the owners 55mil+ and we still do not own the ground when that is payed back.

 

The agreements on that money will be tied up so the club can't walk away from it.

The people that run the club have agreed the loans and signed them.

All wrong who pays there wage OHHHH our owners.

 

Our owners walk we are fvcked aka the next cov/pompey

[Guest Col city fan]

You are so wrong the debts are with the club they have loaned not given the money.

They also own the ground.

LCFC owe the owners 55mil+ and we still do not own the ground when that is payed back.

The agreements on that money will be tied up so the club can't walk away from it.

The people that run the club have agreed the loans and signed them.

All wrong who pays there wage OHHHH our owners.

Our owners walk we are fvcked aka the next cov/pompey

Oh stop fookin ranting Welly!!

[sylofox]

Oh stop fookin ranting Welly!!

but am I wrong?

 

you at the tractors tomoz?

[sylofox]

Oh stop fookin ranting Welly!!

Joking apart Col I will trust our owners when we have done five years in the prem with them in charge.

[Guest Col city fan]

Joking apart Col I will trust our owners when we have done five years in the prem with them in charge.

You could have a fookin long wait buddy!

Here's hoping...

[Guy]

I hate Taylor purely for the fact in his own deluded mind he doesn't actually think the job he did here was a disgrace.

 

Holloway was just as bad but at least he had the stones to admit he was crap.

 

I hate Taylor purely for the fact in his own deluded mind he doesn't actually think the job he did here was a disgrace.

 

Holloway was just as bad but at least he had the stones to admit he was crap.

I never hated the bloke but he was clearly one of our worst, if not the worst manager you could have appointed to follow in O'Neill's footsteps!! I will also say that not many managers to the dozen actually come out in public and admit that the job they did in their tenure wasn't good enough or remotely acceptable though - and Peter Taylor was no exception! It does them no favours to admit such liability perhaps and perhaps by not admitting to their own ineptitude then they're protecting their own reputation by not admitting liability with a view to securing their next job....as PT did time and again after us, despite them being lower league jobs thereafter such as at Brighton and Hull.

 

Then again it works both ways I suppose. Despite Holloway being more honest about matters when he f***ed up here, does that do a manager's credibility any good when they apply for their next job? I suppose he did very well at Blackpool after though and may get another job soon despite his outright honesty being expressed in a similar way (in a "not good enough" sense) when he resigned from Palace recently too. Because of that portrayal of honesty though then he since appears not to have been subjected to some of the hate that a fellow failure such as Taylor has been ever since. Not sure quite what Sousa or Sven said about their own abilities as managers on reflection of their respective times with us following their respective sackings but I doubt that either of them would have fallen on their swords in the way Holloway has done twice now!

 

In short and to summarise the thread's topic, Taylor was proven to be out of his depth following his appointment by default at the time (or so it seemed following Redknapp turning us down). It is debatable as to whether or not he was one of the brightest up and coming managers as aside from his minor achievement at Gillingham the season before (in getting them up by the play offs), all he really had of any real virtue was managing the Enfgland U21s!  As has been said a number of times in this thread already too, the team started so well under him (including topping the Prem. for a week after six games lest we forget and still being third in the league in March 2001 before the side imploded after the Wycombe FA Cup quarters debacle). That was probably due to it being mostly O'Neill's players in place still......most probably as it was pretty much left to run itself in the same way as under O'Neill before Taylor got into tampering with the side (when farming out key and opinionated players such as Ian Marshall, Walshy, Cottee and Collymore and replacing them with pure dross over the course of that season such as with Akinbadbuyi, Trevor Benjamin and Junior Lewis!). All thankfully in the past and onwards and upwards with Big Nige!

[Rhysm]

Sorry, it was only an impossible task if you weren't t up to the job. If he couldn't t handle the players he should have at least got an assistant who could.

He was also not a default option because Harry turned us down. There were other managers out there we took a gamble on someone who could have been great but had no experience.

[Guest Col city fan]

I say again. Peter Taylor was widely considered to be one of the best young English managers around at the time. Reputed to be good at 'man management' and alleged to have a great sense of humour. Most people at the time, if my memory serves me right, were trepidatious about ANYBODY becoming manager after we lost MON, but were generally quite happy with the signing of Taylor. It proved to be the wrong choice at a time when I believe the Board took some time to actually select a new manager?

Generally, with the exception of Micky Adams, the job has proven to be a poisoned chalice to some extent, ever since.

This is why City fans were so worried when MON was linked to Celtic. We'd punched above our weight to such an extent that most of us, I think, thought the only way we would go thereafter was down... And so it has proved, apart from Adam's promotion season.

If Pearson finally leads the club to promotion, he will be hailed as the best City manager since MON. Although people were well chuffed with Adams getting us back into the top tier, I think many still had some doubts about him... Certainly his ability to sustain success.

I still firmly feel that Taylor's failure at the club was linked to two things... He was simply not good enough, both in his signings and his tactics. But secondly, MON was a massively hard act to follow and has remained as such ever since.

[Captain...]

I never hated the bloke but he was clearly one of our worst, if not the worst manager you could have appointed to follow in O'Neill's footsteps!! I will also say that not many managers to the dozen actually come out in public and admit that the job they did in their tenure wasn't good enough or remotely acceptable though - and Peter Taylor was no exception! It does them no favours to admit such liability perhaps and perhaps by not admitting to their own ineptitude then they're protecting their own reputation by not admitting liability with a view to securing their next job....as PT did time and again after us, despite them being lower league jobs thereafter such as at Brighton and Hull.

 

Then again it works both ways I suppose. Despite Holloway being more honest about matters when he f***ed up here, does that do a manager's credibility any good when they apply for their next job? I suppose he did very well at Blackpool after though and may get another job soon despite his outright honesty being expressed in a similar way (in a "not good enough" sense) when he resigned from Palace recently too. Because of that portrayal of honesty though then he since appears not to have been subjected to some of the hate that a fellow failure such as Taylor has been ever since. Not sure quite what Sousa or Sven said about their own abilities as managers on reflection of their respective times with us following their respective sackings but I doubt that either of them would have fallen on their swords in the way Holloway has done twice now!

 

In short and to summarise the thread's topic, Taylor was proven to be out of his depth following his appointment by default at the time (or so it seemed following Redknapp turning us down). It is debatable as to whether or not he was one of the brightest up and coming managers as aside from his minor achievement at Gillingham the season before (in getting them up by the play offs), all he really had of any real virtue was managing the Enfgland U21s!  As has been said a number of times in this thread already too, the team started so well under him (including topping the Prem. for a week after six games lest we forget and still being third in the league in March 2001 before the side imploded after the Wycombe FA Cup quarters debacle). That was probably due to it being mostly O'Neill's players in place still......most probably as it was pretty much left to run itself in the same way as under O'Neill before Taylor got into tampering with the side (when farming out key and opinionated players such as Ian Marshall, Walshy, Cottee and Collymore and replacing them with pure dross over the course of that season such as with Akinbadbuyi, Trevor Benjamin and Junior Lewis!). All thankfully in the past and onwards and upwards with Big Nige!

 

Holloway is an interestng character, you clearly shouldn't admit that you weren't good enough for the job if you want further employment, but then if you look at his record, apart from here, it is very good, and he will get a job at struggling championship club again and get them up the up the table. His mistake at Palace was buying in too many players that weren't prem standard, I don't think anyone is good enough to keep that squad up. I think that is the first time he has a serious budget to play with, I don't remember him splashing the cash at Blackpool, and he couldn't handle it.

 

In some ways that is similar to Taylor, he wasn't used to buying players of quality and had no idea of their actual value, in some ways he got the best out of MON's squad by getting them top of the Prem, but as soon as he get near the cheque book it all went wrong. He also didn't seem to get along with the players, which if you compare to Holloway he was accused of being clueless by some Palace players, particularly that fella he bought and then didn't put in the Prem Squad. Similar to Warnock at QPR. I think now more than ever there is a style of management that works in the Championship that doesn't translate to Premiership players or players from foreign leagues. The successful promoted teams have been ones that have added to their existing core squad and not tried to buy a completely new team or spent big on some "star" players.

 

In comparing Holloway with Taylor though, yes they were both bad managers for Leicester, but Holloway took us from being an average championship team getting steadily worse and just continued the trend to its logical conclusion, relegation. PT took a top 10 prem side, the best Leicester side in my and many other's lifetimes and turned it into dross on the pitch and financial meltdown off it. So he is by far the worst manager I have seen, but I still don't hate him, taking over from MON was an impossible job, he just did it spectacularly badly.

[Corky]

 Possibly not as disastrously as Taylor, but possibly worse who knows, but I'm not going to hate Taylor for failing at an impossible job.

 

It was an almost impossible job to replicate what O'Neill had achieved, on the other hand he left a squad in it's highest position, in Europe with plenty of money to spend and a new stadium on the way. All we had to do was remain secure, tweak the squad and stay comfortable. Yes, he took us to the top of the league but a year later we were bottom after some gutless and desperate performances.

 

That squad had finished between 8th and 10th for four seasons, gentle changes should've ensured that remained fairly similar for a couple of years.

 

Michael Laudrup took over a very difficuly job at Swansea and didn't fail, Pochettino took over from a very popular and successful manager and doesn't look like failing. Any manager would love to take over a challenge that O'Neill left here.

[Captain...]

It was an almost impossible job to replicate what O'Neill had achieved, on the other hand he left a squad in it's highest position, in Europe with plenty of money to spend and a new stadium on the way. All we had to do was remain secure, tweak the squad and stay comfortable. Yes, he took us to the top of the league but a year later we were bottom after some gutless and desperate performances.

 

That squad had finished between 8th and 10th for four seasons, gentle changes should've ensured that remained fairly similar for a couple of years.

 

Michael Laudrup took over a very difficuly job at Swansea and didn't fail, Pochettion took over from a very popular and successful manager and doesn't look like failing. Any manager would love to take over a challenge that O'Neill left here.

 

But they took over after a season or less in the prem, and I don't think Rodgers or Adkins had been at their clubs as long as MON had been here, and they hadn't had the continued success we had had. There is also a lot more of a top down running of the club these days, with owners having a very strong vision of what they want to acheive and a backroom staff that includes a director of football and scounting networks to control things like transfer fees and ensure the right player is brought in to continue their vision. Adkins was also sacked mid season which was a huge gamble but they felt they had found the right man to take them where they wanted to go, and they have been proved right, as much as I wanted them to fail.

 

Back in Taylor's day it was very much the manager in charge of everything and to come in despite having very little experience, personally I wouldn't have touched that job with a barge pole, we were successful because of sheer effort and desire, our squad had no right to be as successful as it was, compare that to Southampton and Swansea, they had good footballers playing good football, bringing in a continental style manager only added to that and made them better. We had a mixture of aging pros, gems from the lower leagues, a couple of shrewd foreign signings and a maverick genius it was a squad that had grown slowly but together. We played unattractive but highly effective football with an intensity and desire not seen here since. We needed to keep that squad together and get in an experienced manager/motivator or have a complete rebuild to stand a chance, and even then we wouldn't have been able to repeat the success of MON. In my opinion.