DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Lets have it right. We're third, we've had a mini blip, but things are still seemingly going in the right direction. There's still some things I personally don't get though? 1. Schlupp.... For me, he needs to be playing more consistently at left back. Against Watford (albeit a poor Watford on the day), him and Dyer were unplayable. The pace down that left side was clear to see. I'd like to see Konch dropped now and Schlupp given the chance he needs. 2. Knocky... the general consensus is that he's our most gifted midfielder. At a time when the midfield is contributing so little directly to scoring goals (that's statistically demonstrated) can Pearson not sort out some formation which allows Knocky more freedom to do more damage? 3. Liam Moore... only a few games ago, he was arguably our best performing defender. Now he's not starting. Like Schlupp, is this not a little backward thinking of Pearson? 4. The 4-3-3 when playing away. Its not working, leaves us too exposed and we struggle to stop conceding goals. Anyway, opinions please. And please none of this 'you're having a go at the manager' nonsense. These are all questions I've been wondering about for a while and the biggest issues I'd like answers to. I couldn't agree more Col. It's quite frustrating to see, but there's nothing we can do about it, more's the the pity.
leicesterisme Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Lost count the amount of times Schlupp got done at Watford. That may seem harsh because he did have a good game, but on a regular basis I do think he'd cost us playing there.
Guest MattP Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 1. Pretty obvious I think, despite him playing well at Watford going football he got skinned three or four times, had they finished he would have been slaughtered for his defensive performance. Not a defender, not a striker, think Betts has it spot on, he's the natural sucessor to Dyer if anything. Atrributes to play that position. 2. Hard to do, I'd like to see him tried off a front man but changing a whole formation to suit one player very rarely improves you as a team, not sure I'd start changing too much with him at a young age as he has been brilliant this season. 3. Looks a pretty indefensible decision at the minute, looked good and was flying, I even liked him at right back, was solid. Surely comes in for Marcin this weekend though. 4. Not sure I'd over react on the back of two games, we are 5-1-4 away this season which is pretty good.
Langston Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 1. Schlupp....Against Watford (albeit a poor Watford on the day), him and Dyer were unplayable. Nothing like a bit of Wednesday night hyperbole. He assisted one goal but was caught flat-footed and out-of-position far too frequently and bar some atrocious Watford finishing we'd have been punished. Steady, perhaps - unplayable? Not a cat's chance.
DennisNedry Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Lets have it right. We're third, we've had a mini blip, but things are still seemingly going in the right direction. There's still some things I personally don't get though? 1. Schlupp.... For me, he needs to be playing more consistently at left back. Against Watford (albeit a poor Watford on the day), him and Dyer were unplayable. The pace down that left side was clear to see. I'd like to see Konch dropped now and Schlupp given the chance he needs. 2. Knocky... the general consensus is that he's our most gifted midfielder. At a time when the midfield is contributing so little directly to scoring goals (that's statistically demonstrated) can Pearson not sort out some formation which allows Knocky more freedom to do more damage? 3. Liam Moore... only a few games ago, he was arguably our best performing defender. Now he's not starting. Like Schlupp, is this not a little backward thinking of Pearson? 4. The 4-3-3 when playing away. Its not working, leaves us too exposed and we struggle to stop conceding goals. Anyway, opinions please. And please none of this 'you're having a go at the manager' nonsense. These are all questions I've been wondering about for a while and the biggest issues I'd like answers to. 1. Schlupp can't defend 2. Knocky has been playing well in his wide position. Allows him to cut in 1 on 1 against the left back. Don't see an issue there. 3. Agreed - but with Wes, Waz, Miquel all playing well, somebody has to be dropped. 4. Agreed
Spiritwalker Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 1. Jeff still has some learning to do at LB and Konch is steady if unspectacular. 2. 3. and 4. are very valid points.
lgfualol Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 I agree. I want to know why he's always sat in the stands during the games.
RizLCFC Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Lets have it right. We're third, we've had a mini blip, but things are still seemingly going in the right direction. There's still some things I personally don't get though? 1. Schlupp.... For me, he needs to be playing more consistently at left back. Against Watford (albeit a poor Watford on the day), him and Dyer were unplayable. The pace down that left side was clear to see. I'd like to see Konch dropped now and Schlupp given the chance he needs. 2. Knocky... the general consensus is that he's our most gifted midfielder. At a time when the midfield is contributing so little directly to scoring goals (that's statistically demonstrated) can Pearson not sort out some formation which allows Knocky more freedom to do more damage? 3. Liam Moore... only a few games ago, he was arguably our best performing defender. Now he's not starting. Like Schlupp, is this not a little backward thinking of Pearson? 4. The 4-3-3 when playing away. Its not working, leaves us too exposed and we struggle to stop conceding goals. Anyway, opinions please. And please none of this 'you're having a go at the manager' nonsense. These are all questions I've been wondering about for a while and the biggest issues I'd like answers to. Agree with all of that. Add not starting Chris Wood for more games to that too.
Dickov22 Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Lets have it right. We're third, we've had a mini blip, but things are still seemingly going in the right direction. There's still some things I personally don't get though? 1. Schlupp.... For me, he needs to be playing more consistently at left back. Against Watford (albeit a poor Watford on the day), him and Dyer were unplayable. The pace down that left side was clear to see. I'd like to see Konch dropped now and Schlupp given the chance he needs. 2. Knocky... the general consensus is that he's our most gifted midfielder. At a time when the midfield is contributing so little directly to scoring goals (that's statistically demonstrated) can Pearson not sort out some formation which allows Knocky more freedom to do more damage? 3. Liam Moore... only a few games ago, he was arguably our best performing defender. Now he's not starting. Like Schlupp, is this not a little backward thinking of Pearson? 4. The 4-3-3 when playing away. Its not working, leaves us too exposed and we struggle to stop conceding goals. Anyway, opinions please. And please none of this 'you're having a go at the manager' nonsense. These are all questions I've been wondering about for a while and the biggest issues I'd like answers to. Some good points, particularly around Knockaert. Can't agree on Schlupp though- brilliant offensively at Watford, but time and time again he was completely exposed down the left side. I'm still undecided on Moore. He started excellently, but his form dipped before he was left out. I really think its a case of Miquel and Wasileski being too good to leave out, and Morgan being Captain. It meant someone had to miss out. Last couple of games may have changed that though.
Dickov22 Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 1. Pretty obvious I think, despite him playing well at Watford going football he got skinned three or four times, had they finished he would have been slaughtered for his defensive performance. Not a defender, not a striker, think Betts has it spot on, he's the natural sucessor to Dyer if anything. Atrributes to play that position. 2. Hard to do, I'd like to see him tried off a front man but changing a whole formation to suit one player very rarely improves you as a team, not sure I'd start changing too much with him at a young age as he has been brilliant this season. 3. Looks a pretty indefensible decision at the minute, looked good and was flying, I even liked him at right back, was solid. Surely comes in for Marcin this weekend though. 4. Not sure I'd over react on the back of two games, we are 5-1-4 away this season which is pretty good. I've seen Schlupp come on in the Dyer role at Doncaster and Sheff Weds. He was utterly dreadful in both. Indefensibly bad. I'm not sure he's good enough for us in any position.
Babylon Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Agree with most of the main post, not slating Pearson or anything but you can clearly tell that we looked better going forward and (arguably) defensively against Watford with Schlupp as the Left-Back. With the whole Knocky thing, I just dont get it tbh, a player of his match winning quality should (Presuming he's fit) should be starting every game, you could clearly tell the impact he had on the game against Brighton, we looked a completely different side. However one thing I dont agree with is your last point, I think 4-3-3 works well most of the time, its just days like Saturday when we didnt turn up on the day and Knockaert not starting set us back a little too much. Schlupp got hammered in the Watford game when they got back into it, look at the piss easy chances they missed and the majority came down his side. He was good going forward, but not a chance did we look better defensively down his side.
Guest MattP Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 I've seen Schlupp come on in the Dyer role at Doncaster and Sheff Weds. He was utterly dreadful in both. Indefensibly bad. I'm not sure he's good enough for us in any position. I agree, I don't think he's good enough full stop for this level of football and if anything he seems to be going backwards. Was just making the observation that on the 'attributes' he has combined with his lack of defensive positional sense and finishing (two things that I don't believe you can be taught) that I can only see left wing being a postion he'll make a regular crack at.
Babylon Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 3. A few games ago he was crap against Forest and subbed at half time against Ipswich. Players came in to replace him and did ok with us winning two games. After those players failed to cover themselves in glory the following two, he will probably make a return to the team.
Babylon Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 2. The midfield has contributed 5 of our last 10 goals.
Dickov22 Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 I agree, I don't think he's good enough full stop for this level of football and if anything he seems to be going backwards. Was just making the observation that on the 'attributes' he has combined with his lack of defensive positional sense and finishing (two things that I don't believe you can be taught) that I can only see left wing being a postion he'll make a regular crack at. I can't see him making the grade here. He's been around a little while now.
hackneyfox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 The answer to all 4 points could be that the manager has turned defensive again and is trying to tighten up athe back by playing the most experienced players. I can't make my mind up about Schlupp, one of the most natural and gifted footballers at the club, but so was Gallagher, neither of them seem to have a natural position at which they exel. I don't believe Miquel is being played because Wenger has complained, we're after promotion, NFP won't be doing anyone any favours. De Laet Moore Miquel Konch at the back for me, Morgan needs to get his head sorted. Knocky should start every game if fit, unless his form drops. We need cover at left back/left centre half, a winger and a goalscorer. I'd take a goalie as well if a good one was available.
Babylon Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 The answer to all 4 points could be that the manager has turned defensive again and is trying to tighten up athe back by playing the most experienced players. I can't make my mind up about Schlupp, one of the most natural and gifted footballers at the club, but so was Gallagher, neither of them seem to have a natural position at which they exel. How on earth does that answer all the points? Schlupp natural?
Guest MattP Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 I can't make my mind up about Schlupp, one of the most natural and gifted footballers at the club :blink: Natural and Gifted? At what? I think his natural ability ie control, skill, technique, touch, finishing flair etc is well below par and he has got away with it a lot of the time on his pace getting him out of jail.
hackneyfox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 Lets have it right. We're third, we've had a mini blip, but things are still seemingly going in the right direction. There's still some things I personally don't get though? 1. Schlupp.... For me, he needs to be playing more consistently at left back. Against Watford (albeit a poor Watford on the day), him and Dyer were unplayable. The pace down that left side was clear to see. I'd like to see Konch dropped now and Schlupp given the chance he needs. 2. Knocky... the general consensus is that he's our most gifted midfielder. At a time when the midfield is contributing so little directly to scoring goals (that's statistically demonstrated) can Pearson not sort out some formation which allows Knocky more freedom to do more damage? 3. Liam Moore... only a few games ago, he was arguably our best performing defender. Now he's not starting. Like Schlupp, is this not a little backward thinking of Pearson? 4. The 4-3-3 when playing away. Its not working, leaves us too exposed and we struggle to stop conceding goals. Anyway, opinions please. And please none of this 'you're having a go at the manager' nonsense. These are all questions I've been wondering about for a while and the biggest issues I'd like answers to. It answered all 4 1. Pearson plays the more experienced Konchesky because he believes it makes us defensively tighter. 2. He's played Hammond instead of Knocky because he believes it makes us defensively tighter. 3. He's playing Miquel because he's naturally left footed and he believes ....... He's playing Was because he's more experienced than Moore and he believes ........ 4. He's gone 4-3-3 with Hammond because he belives .... I think Schlupp could be a very good player, not sure his game is improving as quickly as it should be though, unfortunately he looks uninterested when he comes on nowadays. When we bring him on now it seems to be because we've run out of ideas.
smudgerfox Posted 11 December 2013 Posted 11 December 2013 I fear we could be at a crucial moment if we really are set on bringing in Eubanks Blake as reported. I fear this could be a Harry Kane moment. Unless E B comes and starts scoring straight away - which would be a surprise given his record - his effect will be to demoralise Wood and Schlupp and reduce their chances of starting. The key flaw in NFP's Championship promotion challenges has been his failure to find a league 30 goal strike partnership. 2009/10 top league scorers Waghorn 12 Fryatt 11 2010/11 Hull Fryatt 9 Koren and Barmby 7 each 2011/12 Nugent 15 Beckford 9 2012/13 Nugent 14 Wood 9 And unless we keep getting penalties at the same rate we're headed for a similar return this season. Which probably won't be enough.
Babylon Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 I fear we could be at a crucial moment if we really are set on bringing in Eubanks Blake as reported. I fear this could be a Harry Kane moment. Unless E B comes and starts scoring straight away - which would be a surprise given his record - his effect will be to demoralise Wood and Schlupp and reduce their chances of starting. The key flaw in NFP's Championship promotion challenges has been his failure to find a league 30 goal strike partnership. 2009/10 top league scorers Waghorn 12 Fryatt 11 2010/11 Hull Fryatt 9 Koren and Barmby 7 each 2011/12 Nugent 15 Beckford 9 2012/13 Nugent 14 Wood 9 And unless we keep getting penalties at the same rate we're headed for a similar return this season. Which probably won't be enough. The key flaw? How many did Cardiff and Hull strikers get last year?
Babylon Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 It answered all 4 1. Pearson plays the more experienced Konchesky because he believes it makes us defensively tighter. 2. He's played Hammond instead of Knocky because he believes it makes us defensively tighter. 3. He's playing Miquel because he's naturally left footed and he believes ....... He's playing Was because he's more experienced than Moore and he believes ........ 4. He's gone 4-3-3 with Hammond because he belives .... I think Schlupp could be a very good player, not sure his game is improving as quickly as it should be though, unfortunately he looks uninterested when he comes on nowadays. When we bring him on now it seems to be because we've run out of ideas. Sadly your theory falls down before it starts 1. Konchesky is and has been out starting left back for several years. the only time Sclupp starts is when he's injured or rumoured to be off elswhere. So I'm not sure what fits into "the manager has turned defensive again". If he dropped Konch and played Sclhupp for a long run of games, and then switched back to Konch then you might have a point.
joeasis Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 Schlupp - for me isn't a left back, at watford his link up play with dyer was class but his posistioning when defending at times was questionable and they got in many times down the right with anya but his (anya's) end product was crap. Knockeart - agree, we need a formation which allows him to be free and perfrom to the best of his abillity. 4-3-3 - When playing this formation, we have no width. Dyer drifts inside when we all know he's at his best out wide one on one with the full back, there seems to be no defensive cover on the right, i don't like the idea of Vardy/Nugent playing on the right of 4-3-3, they're strikers, they're best playing as strikers.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 Schlupp is crap at LB. he's also crap up front!
hairy Posted 12 December 2013 Posted 12 December 2013 Lets have it right. We're third, we've had a mini blip, but things are still seemingly going in the right direction. There's still some things I personally don't get though? 1. Schlupp.... For me, he needs to be playing more consistently at left back. Against Watford (albeit a poor Watford on the day), him and Dyer were unplayable. The pace down that left side was clear to see. I'd like to see Konch dropped now and Schlupp given the chance he needs. 2. Knocky... the general consensus is that he's our most gifted midfielder. At a time when the midfield is contributing so little directly to scoring goals (that's statistically demonstrated) can Pearson not sort out some formation which allows Knocky more freedom to do more damage? 3. Liam Moore... only a few games ago, he was arguably our best performing defender. Now he's not starting. Like Schlupp, is this not a little backward thinking of Pearson? 4. The 4-3-3 when playing away. Its not working, leaves us too exposed and we struggle to stop conceding goals. Anyway, opinions please. And please none of this 'you're having a go at the manager' nonsense. These are all questions I've been wondering about for a while and the biggest issues I'd like answers to. 2. Knocky is a good play on his day but he is far too inconsistent to build the team around like you are implying. Hopefully when De Laet returns it will give him some more freedom but at the moment Knocky is too petulant to rely on him anymore than we are already.
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