Benefits Street

[Merging Cultures]

So she's not at Tescos then?

 

I am sure she is. That was a quote about the Museum she was volunteering at to get experience in her chosen field (apparently) before being told to work at Poundland.

 

My comment was in response to ChickenBoy.

 

ChickenBoy, on 09 Jan 2014 - 4:29 PM, said:

[Guest]

Agree on that.

 

Not everyone should go to University.

 

No, but EVERYONE should be better educated.

[Merging Cultures]

No, but EVERYONE should be better educated.

 

Agreed!

[The Blur]

"She has now returned to her voluntary role at the city’s Pen Room Museum of writing and pen trade memorabilia, still looking for paid employment."

 

Not much geology there...

 

 

Most of people would have given up volunteering after a while and to apply for a job in other fields to pay for bills anyway such as in her case when she ended up working at Tesco so no harm in allowing her to stay at her volunteering post. (Perhaps with a time limit but that is another discussion for a different day!)

[Zingari]

No, but EVERYONE should be better educated.

I totally  agree , but there will still come a time when too many are educated above the need of the market place , if that's going to be the defining factor for education .

 

Maybe  greater stress should just be put on  education for educations sake. 

 

i'm still sympathetic to those who have tried to better themselves , only to be told their efforts are all in vane, it must be quite soul destroying . 

[Merging Cultures]

Most of people would have given up volunteering after a while and to apply for a job in other fields to pay for bills anyway such as in her case when she ended up working at Tesco so no harm in allowing her to stay at her volunteering post. (Perhaps with a time limit but that is another discussion for a different day!)

 

I used to volunteer at the Salvation Army on Jarrom Street and I've mentored kids in Baltimore... while studying and working... full time...

 

Not sure what your point is.

[Guest]

I totally  agree , but there will still come a time when too many are educated above the need of the market place , if that's going to be the defining factor for education .

 

Maybe  greater stress should just be put on  education for educations sake. 

 

i'm still sympathetic to those who have tried to better themselves , only to be told their efforts are all in vane, it must be quite soul destroying . 

 

I don't think we should confuse education for a job with general education. Perhaps think of education in both a more general wider sense (also that of enlightenment - as opposed to ignorance) We need everyone to be better educated then on top of that we need to educate for work. Our present system is failing to a large degree in both areas.

[The Blur]

I used to volunteer at the Salvation Army on Jarrom Street and I've mentored kids in Baltimore... while studying and working... full time...

 

Not sure what your point is.

 

 

My point was that I did not think it is possible to make a progression in your chosen career through volunteering if you are also working full time in a different field as that do not leave time for substantial volunteering needed. Since the government is hellbent on moving everyone into jobs at any cost, this do not leaves much room for volunteering and I think that is sad as it is an important stepping stones for some fields such as in media with internships etc. 

[AyewJoking]

Most benefits are claimed by working people.

 

Working people pay taxes.

[Guest]

My point was that I did not think it is possible to make a progression in your chosen career through volunteering if you are also working full time in a different field as that do not leave time for substantial volunteering needed. Since the government is hellbent on moving everyone into jobs at any cost, this do not leaves much room for volunteering and I think that is sad as it is an important stepping stones for some fields such as in media with internships etc. 

 

I'd suggest the opposite.

 

If you want to progress in a field where you can't get a job you MUST do voluntary work in that field whilst holding down a paying job in order to progress.

[Zingari]

I don't think we should confuse education for a job with general education. Perhaps think of education in both a more general wider sense (also that of enlightenment - as opposed to ignorance) We need everyone to be better educated then on top of that we need to educate for work. Our present system is failing to a large degree in both areas.

Do you think any education system could ever be flexible enough to ensure that after our basic education and a smattering of enlightenment to cater for a rapidly changing world ? Or perhaps we should all be educated ( and actively encouraged ) to continually re educate ourselves.?

A few years ago it seemed easy to go to night schools , usually cost free or very cheap , nowadays they seem very expensive to the point of almost being prohibitive to the average family man or woman .  

[Guest]

However I agree that internships are a good action too. Just don't expect to be paid (at least not much).

 

I'm all for taking a step back in time and having people trained on the job in many areas - especially manual areas, but these people have to understand that the pay will be minimal and the earnings come after the apprenticeship if they can set up on their own.

[Trav Le Bleu]

I thought this was a thread about a tin of chocolates for poor people.

 

[Zingari]

I thought this was a thread about a tin of chocolates for poor people.

 

 

[Guest]

Do you think any education system could ever be flexible enough to ensure that after our basic education and a smattering of enlightenment to cater for a rapidly changing world ? Or perhaps we should all be educated ( and actively encouraged ) to continually re educate ourselves.?

A few years ago it seemed easy to go to night schools , usually cost free or very cheap , nowadays they seem very expensive to the point of almost being prohibitive to the average family man or woman .  

 

I think that everyone should have a right to lifelong education. Night school should be free (paid for by the govt) though expenses should be at the learners charge. The only way to improve a population and a community is to fight ignorance through education and the only way to make sure a population is adequate for the ever evolving work place is to keep training and re-training.

 

Basic education needs to be much broader - the Greeks knew what they were doing . We need educating for life not just for work. School needs to change its aims and objectives - secondary school can begin to angle more at education for jobs but not overly so. Further education (post secondary) can begin to specialise for jobs.

 

If we each look at our own education can we really say that it was successful in educating us for work? Some probably can but not all. How many can say that our education was successful in educating us for life? for parenthood? for living with others? for shopping and budgeting? I'd say not too many.

[Captain...]

We need educating for life not just for work.

 

That sums it up perfectly. Can someone go and tattoo that on the inside of Gove's eyelids please.

[Guest MattP]

I think that everyone should have a right to lifelong education. Night school should be free (paid for by the govt)

 

Have you got access to Alec Salmond's moneytree as well?

[Guest]

Have you got access to Alec Salmond's moneytree as well?

 

Education is investment in the population. Investment is how an economy thrives. I'd have thought that you'd agree with that.

 

In a recession more than ever you should invest.

 

Education, Public works, Public infrastructure are all good places to plough money into to give benefit to a country over the long term.

 

It's the crazy "right to private profit" which dooms an economy into a recession.

 

A better educated, better understanding population is a successful population.

[Jon the Hat]

There need to be a balance between volunteering to gain experience in your career field and being forced to apply for jobs otherwise the chances of people progressing to high paid jobs in a career of their choice are further restricted and we will get less tax coming in. 

 

The welfare safety net is for those who cannot find any work, not those who have to do a job they don't like.

[ADK]

[Jon the Hat]

My point was that I did not think it is possible to make a progression in your chosen career through volunteering if you are also working full time in a different field as that do not leave time for substantial volunteering needed. Since the government is hellbent on moving everyone into jobs at any cost, this do not leaves much room for volunteering and I think that is sad as it is an important stepping stones for some fields such as in media with internships etc. 

 

Again, not the job of the welfare state to fund your internship.

[Jon the Hat]

 

I take it is this is symbolic of the millions who work hard in a job they dont enjoy or like, while not expecting the welfare state to support them while they find their dream job / destiny?

[The Blur]

Again, not the job of the welfare state to fund your internship.

 

 

I agree, I was appealing for more flexibility in certain circumstances if someone applied to be on JSA then found a promising internship then three quarters way through the internship, they get offered a menial job while being on JSA. Surely he/she should be allowed to finish the internship first rather being forced to quit?

[Jon the Hat]

I agree, I was appealing for more flexibility in certain circumstances if someone applied to be on JSA then found a promising internship then three quarters way through the internship, they get offered a menial job while being on JSA. Surely he/she should be allowed to finish the internship first rather being forced to quit?

 

If they are claiming JSA becuase they dont have a job and they refuse a job they should be able to keep claiming JSA?  I dont think so.

[The Blur]

If they are claiming JSA becuase they dont have a job and they refuse a job they should be able to keep claiming JSA?  I dont think so.

 

 

But on a technicality, you could say they are actively seeking a job at the end of the internship therefore they are still in a process of looking for a job or taking an action to secure a job?