The God Emperor Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 Fair point, but I doubt that's where the big money is going missing with tax evasion/avoidance.... I imagine your talking about big companies dodging tax and the like. John the hat posted something about this in another thread which basically said when it comes to taxing big companies its difficult to say whether someone is breaking the rules because at that level its one giant grey area.
MooseBreath Posted 8 January 2014 Author Posted 8 January 2014 Not as funny as the fact that it still gets to you, this is twice now recently you have brought my earnings into a thread, one started by you to expose your own bitterness at your inadequate earnings. Does it really bother you that much, it's been about a year since I revealed, roughly what I what I was earning, has it really been eating away at you all this time? You are a sad little man, and your obsession would be creepy if it wasn't so pathetic. Now instead of bitching and moaning about what other people earn, why don't you stop wasting your time on here, get out there and better yourself. I've asked you to stop trolling me and put me on ignore as you find me so offensive, you are seemingly incapable of that, so well done you got a reaction, enjoy it. Quite happy with my career and earnings thanks. 2013 was a great year in the booming economy and 2014 is shaping up even better.Though I certainly agree that if I wasn't doing so well, getting out there and bettering myself, rather than sitting around doing nothing and expecting someone else to come and help me would be superb advice. I just don't understand how people like you (and it's not all about you, there are several champagne socialists on here and I was referring to all of them) expect to be taken seriously when you post views that suggest you know what it's like to be struggling and you know what is required to help these people, when quite obviously you have absolutely no idea what being poor is like and you can't relate to those people in any way whatsoever. You're about as out of touch as you can get, and for me at least, this comes through in magnificent HD quality every single time you post on this subject. Nothing personal and I apologise if you think I'm trying to troll you because I'm not. Just cheerfully bringing all the factors to the table.
Captain... Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 I imagine your talking about big companies dodging tax and the like. John the hat posted something about this in another thread which basically said when it comes to taxing big companies its difficult to say whether someone is breaking the rules because at that level its one giant grey area. I remember JTH's post and it did make a lot of sense, but I don't think that is a particularly sensible fiscal policy to have, we are talking hundreds of billions of pounds in tax, where a fraction of a % is a huge amount of money. I don't think we should have big grey areas, especially when it comes to budgets going forwards, how can you make any sort of budget when you are letting big companies dictate how much tax they pay. I appreciate that taxing big companies so heavily that they go elsewhere is a bad thing, but the flip side is it is companies that are dodging tax that are destroying the high street and costing jobs that way.
MooseBreath Posted 8 January 2014 Author Posted 8 January 2014 I was going to do a post in reply to moosebreath but i can't see the point. Not having a go at anyone so please don't take offense but what kind of job do people have that allows them to post on a message board all day during their companies business hourswhilst at the same time criticising those doing low paid manual work who may be claiming some benefits or those doing manual work? Just something I have wondered about. I was able to do it myself when doing night security but would not be able to do so if on piece work in a factory. Any job where you manage your own time.
Jon the Hat Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 I was going to do a post in reply to moosebreath but i can't see the point. Not having a go at anyone so please don't take offense but what kind of job do people have that allows them to post on a message board all day during their companies business hourswhilst at the same time criticising those doing low paid manual work who may be claiming some benefits or those doing manual work? Just something I have wondered about. I was able to do it myself when doing night security but would not be able to do so if on piece work in a factory. Jobs which involve using a computer all day, and in which you cant work constantly doing the same thing becuase your brain gets bored. I take a few minutes in the hour to read the news, check FT and grab a coffee. Then I take less than 30 mins for lunch and typically work between 1 and 3 hours unpaid overtime a day, sometimes in the office, sometimes at home, and sometimes at weekends. Oh and my company is Global, with key contacts across Europe, in Sydney and Atlanta, so my business hours vary a lot.
The God Emperor Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 I remember JTH's post and it did make a lot of sense, but I don't think that is a particularly sensible fiscal policy to have, we are talking hundreds of billions of pounds in tax, where a fraction of a % is a huge amount of money. I don't think we should have big grey areas, especially when it comes to budgets going forwards, how can you make any sort of budget when you are letting big companies dictate how much tax they pay. I appreciate that taxing big companies so heavily that they go elsewhere is a bad thing, but the flip side is it is companies that are dodging tax that are destroying the high street and costing jobs that way. when your taxing companies there will always be grey areas. for one you cannot tax a company, you can only tax people. a company is just a concept, it has no money this makes it difficult to clearly define what should be paid. on top of that the owner decides their own income from the business which causes further problems.
ADK Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 I think these threads always follow the same route. We've had this discussion 1000 times before, people post the same points over and over again and then after a few pages it starts to get a bit personal. The quality of actual arguments is abysmal in the first place. What is the point? It is a shame because there are a few posters that actually post quality.
Captain... Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 Quite happy with my career and earnings thanks. 2013 was a great year in the booming economy and 2014 is shaping up even better. Though I certainly agree that if I wasn't doing so well, getting out there and bettering myself, rather than sitting around doing nothing and expecting someone else to come and help me would be superb advice. I just don't understand how people like you (and it's not all about you, there are several champagne socialists on here and I was referring to all of them) expect to be taken seriously when you post views that suggest you know what it's like to be struggling and you know what is required to help these people, when quite obviously you have absolutely no idea what being poor is like and you can't relate to those people in any way whatsoever. You're about as out of touch as you can get, and for me at least, this comes through in magnificent HD quality every single time you post on this subject. Nothing personal and I apologise if you think I'm trying to troll you because I'm not. Just cheerfully bringing all the factors to the table. So all the champagne socialists on here have revealed they earn a daily rate of £400, that really stuck with you didn't it, if you are really not trying to troll me then stick me on ignore and don't reply to my posts (like when you accused me of tax avoidance on another thread a couple of months ago, I am actually registered as a sole trader and not a limited company and pay full income tax on what I earn). Of course being successful now means I have never been poor, and have no dealings with poor people ever, I now only move in exclusive circles and won't speak to anyone who earns less than 50K . You do realise what you have said invalidates your opinions, as you are saying that you have had a successful 2013, yet saying I am out of touch with the under class as I am successful.
Rincewind Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 I did not realise CPF was so successful. Although I have said that you need to have experience of these things I think the reason CPF relates to these issues because he has read up on them and does not take all that is in the media as gospel. It is a case of looking at all the factors and weighing up how believable they are. There are plenty of independent reports and news out there if looked for. The organisations have nothing to gain. They are run and funded by volunteers who have a passion for helping others. Many are run by church groups of multi-faith from their communities.
Captain... Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 Haven't always been, even ended up down the job centre once when I was 22, turned around and walked straight back out as it was a thoroughly depressing place, and went and begged at all the temp agencies, even though they already had my details.
Jon the Hat Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 Haven't always been, even ended up down the job centre once when I was 22, turned around and walked straight back out as it was a thoroughly depressing place, and went and begged at all the temp agencies, even though they already had my details. I went in once. Hellish place.
Jon the Hat Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 I did not realise CPF was so successful. Although I have said that you need to have experience of these things I think the reason CPF relates to these issues because he has read up on them and does not take all that is in the media as gospel. It is a case of looking at all the factors and weighing up how believable they are. There are plenty of independent reports and news out there if looked for. The organisations have nothing to gain. They are run and funded by volunteers who have a passion for helping others. Many are run by church groups of multi-faith from their communities. I know you are a trusting sort Ken, but if you really believe that The organisations have nothing to gain then you are naive.
Guest MattP Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 I did not realise CPF was so successful I expect a severe change in your opinion towards him now.
Rincewind Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 I know you are a trusting sort Ken, but if you really believe that The organisations have nothing to gain then you are naive. What they gain is seeing people having improved lives,
Webbo Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 What they gain is seeing people having improved lives, Do any of them earn a wage out of it?
The People's Hero Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 I'll openly admit I haven't read Alf's post, I was just skimming through before getting ready for work, but if his argument is so poor you should be able to rip it apart quite easy, if he made some good points you should be able to counter them, but picking on spelling or mathematical mistakes is usually the last resort of someone who has no argument, or is out of their depth. For all your bitching and moaning on here, I was of the impression you were somewhat intelligent and not a troll. It is obvious you haven't read his post in which the main thrust of his attack on me was a typo. I agree completely that this indicates he has no substance to his argument.
The People's Hero Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 Ps look at you lot jumping on the latest bandwagon! Did a celebrity recently use the word 'troll' or something? 95% of you are absolutely pathetic and completely vapid.
purpleronnie Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 Ps look at you lot jumping on the latest bandwagon! Did a celebrity recently use the word 'troll' or something? 95% of you are absolutely pathetic and completely vapid.
The People's Hero Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 Wow, picking up on the 1% thing. That really is childish in the extreme. What makes it more amusing is that you honestly seem to have thought it would stand up as a good counter. Another genius who didn't spot idiot boy dismissing my argument on the basis of a typo. If you understood irony, you may get it. Is it half term again already?
Harry - LCFC Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 Another genius who didn't spot idiot boy dismissing my argument on the basis of a typo. If you understood irony, you may get it. Is it half term again already? It makes me laugh how much contempt you hold for other posters. Not so much this post I add, but the many others I've seen. I expect I'm being unknowingly selective in how I assess what you say but no other poster seems as willing to attack others as you are. Indeed you only seem to get on with other people when they're attacking someone else. I apologise for my earlier mistake and how I worded it but I think everyone would appreciate it if you were a bit more polite in how you go about addressing other people. This applies to a number of others of course.
Jimothy Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 It is obvious you haven't read his post in which the main thrust of his attack on me was a typo. I agree completely that this indicates he has no substance to his argument. Just read both his posts. He makes a joke about your misspelling in his first post, and then briefly mentions it in response to your "Never has anyone written so much......" reply. The main thrust of his attack was not a spelling mistake. He's written too massively long posts, where the spelling mistake is probably 10% of it. He made some fairly decent points, all of which you've not bother to address, or don't have the argument against or you don't have the ability to address them. Why do you feel the need to be so unpleasent all the time?
Rincewind Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 Do any of them earn a wage out of it? Do nurses receive a wage? Why do they choose nursing?
Webbo Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 Do nurses receive a wage? Why do they choose nursing? We don't need to invent ill people to justify nurses wages. Didn't you say last year the MD of DNO out was paid £50k a year, all out of lottery funding. Do you think it's in his interest to play down the problem?
The People's Hero Posted 8 January 2014 Posted 8 January 2014 Just read both his posts. He makes a joke about your misspelling in his first post, and then briefly mentions it in response to your "Never has anyone written so much......" reply. The main thrust of his attack was not a spelling mistake. He's written too massively long posts, where the spelling mistake is probably 10% of it. He made some fairly decent points, all of which you've not bother to address, or don't have the argument against or you don't have the ability to address them. Why do you feel the need to be so unpleasent all the time? I'm going to the pub. I may respond to his post at some point. There are parts of it I agree with. His attack on my spelling, not my argument was ad hominem. I was just highlighting that but it appears, not unsurprisingly, to have gone over many heads! If it gives you some kind of odd victory or comfort to imagine that I don't have 'the ability' to respond to a fairly middle of the road post, treading much trodden ground and saying nothing at all new, then go ahead! I think you and I both know it isn't true.
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