Benefits Street

[Zingari]

But what would have happened to the fruit and veg if it were not for the immigrants ? 

[Rincewind]

Not another conspiracy Zing....surely?

 

Anywho:-

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537074/Benefits-Street-residents-claim-TV-bosses-bribed-beer-cigarettes-McDonalds-12-hour-day-filming.html

 

Has to be a wind up by some comedian. Will anyone actually believe it?

[Guest MattP]

But what would have happened to the fruit and veg if it were not for the immigrants ? 

 

Then the people who profit from this sort of business would have had to raise the wage to a level that British people wouldnt have been able to resist in taking the job.

 

Fortunately for them we are in the EU so they can not only not raise the wage but keep it down to the minimum possible and in some cases even lower.

Has to be a wind up by some comedian. Will anyone actually believe it?

 

lol

 

So the filming is fake, the people are fake, the show is fake and now the allegations from the fake people are fake.

[Guest MattP]

Surprise Surprise, White Dee - "it was in jest" heard that one before.

 

However, her Facebook page, which is littered with photographs of family holidays and outings to pop concerts, states she is ‘in a relationship’.

Although of Irish extraction, Miss Kelly has lived in Birmingham since childhood.

She revels in her ‘mother of the street’ image – even using an email address which starts ‘momma_d’.

She claimed people were now growing drugs in their spare bedrooms to fund or – as she put it ‘accommodate’ – the bedroom tax.

When challenged by the Daily Mail she said her remarks had been made in jest.

 

 

[Zingari]

Then the people who profit from this sort of business would have had to raise the wage to a level that British people wouldnt have been able to resist in taking the job.

 

Fortunately for them we are in the EU so they can not only not raise the wage but keep it down to the minimum possible and in some cases even lower.

 

lol

 

So the filming is fake, the people are fake, the show is fake and now the allegations from the fake people are fake.

Exactly , so basically it's not that British people won't do the jobs , its because they want a decent wage to it.

It seems we'd prefer a large pool of unemployed rather than  give workers . fair pay. Immigrants won't do it for peanuts for long.

We should be prepared to pay the genuine market rate for our food , not continually bringing in cheap labour to force the cost down.

On top of this i think most of it could be absorbed if the supermarkets stopped being so greedy and paid the suppliers more and reduced the profit.  

[Guest MattP]

Exactly , so basically it's not that British people won't do the jobs , its because they want a decent wage to it.

It seems we'd prefer a large pool of unemployed rather than  give workers . fair pay. Immigrants won't do it for peanuts for long.

We should be prepared to pay the genuine market rate for our food , not continually bringing in cheap labour to force the cost down.

On top of this i think most of it could be absorbed if the supermarkets stopped being so greedy and paid the suppliers more and reduced the profit.  

 

You are pretty much saying there what I have been saying for years excluding the bottom line.

[Zingari]

You are pretty much saying there what I have been saying for years.

so we agree that it's greedy supermarkets not greedy workers that are the problem ?

[Guest MattP]

so we agree that it's greedy supermarkets not greedy workers that are the problem ?

 

I agree it's a combination of greed and being in an economic and freedom of movement union with countries whose average wage is far less than ours that has caused the problem.

 

There is a reason the middle classes and political elite love the EU, it's not them suffering.

[Guest MattP]

On the subject mind.

 

I'm glad they do feel fcuked over by Channel 4, now they might know how a lot of taxpayers feel about them.

[Zingari]

I agree it's a combination of greed and being in an economic and freedom of movement union with countries whose average wage is far less than ours that has caused the problem.

 

There is a reason the middle classes and political elite love the EU, it's not them suffering.

Yes but the general thrust has been all about how eastern Europeans are doing the stuff the lazy Brits won't do.

Maybe they will for a short period , in the same way previous immigrants have forced wages down by the virtue of being part of a much larger workforce chasing fewer jobs.

This can't be allowed to continue , the problem is just being forced to the back of the cupboard.  There will come a time when we realise cheap food is no longer an option . we will at some stage have to pay workers very well to do these jobs and not rely  on artificially created labour pools.

[Guest MattP]

Yes but the general thrust has been all about how eastern Europeans are doing the stuff the lazy Brits won't do.

Maybe they will for a short period , in the same way previous immigrants have forced wages down by the virtue of being part of a much larger workforce chasing fewer jobs.

This can't be allowed to continue , the problem is just being forced to the back of the cupboard.  There will come a time when we realise cheap food is no longer an option . we will at some stage have to pay workers very well to do these jobs and not rely  on artificially created labour pools.

 

Of course it can continue, soon as the Eastern Europeans stop we'll drag in some Africans or the Chinese, its a never ending circus.

 

"I don't see no Americans. I see trespassers, Irish harps. Do a job for a nickel what a ni**er does for a dime and a white man used to get a quarter for" - Bill Cutting. 200 years ago and the same still happens today.

 

Crudely put of course, but the general jist of it remains the same, its happened all over the World on larger or smaller scales, people will always be out there to exploit. A car wash owner paying a Pole £4 an hour will now probably be looking for a Romanian who'll do it for £3.

 

And don't tell the Politicians to get a hand on it, they can't even stop people like Fungi getting his £150 every two weeks directly from them let alone stop black market work.

[Captain...]

We had a benefit system that was replaced by a co-ordinated voting core by the last Labour government, it's no coincedence that only in the last couple of years have people like Rincewind and all these lot on this program have not stopped compaining about given less free money from the state for doing nothing.

 

 

 

lol

 

I'm not sure whats worse, the stuff we actually saw on the show or the fact these people were prepared to show themselves as the lowest of the low for a Macdonalds.

 

Look at this He's been on national TV to 15million people and he's covering his face being photographed

 

I absolutely can't wait for the second episode.

 

 

This is another thing I don't get, why didn't they accept payment for being on the show? I don't know how much they would have been paid for filming, but surely you are going to be better off accepting payment for work, and adjusting JSA accordingly for that period of time, if it is not more than the JSA would be. This is another problem with our benefits system, that once you are in it, you can stay in it for as long as you won't. If you actually find some work and get out of it, even if only for a short period of time, you are seemingly punished.

[Zingari]

Sadly you're probably right Matt .

Unless the people wake up and see how they continually are exploited . But it's it not likely to happen when the workers only slightly above are all to keen to kick them down.  

[Webbo]

When the price of food starts going up people will be whining about being ripped off by the supermarkets , exploited by the rich and saying they can't afford to eat. Life will never be perfect, people just need to accept that.

[Zingari]

When the price of food starts going up people will be whining about being ripped off by the supermarkets , exploited by the rich and saying they can't afford to eat. Life will never be perfect, people just need to accept that.

No one is saying life can be perfect , but it can be better for those that are continually being expected to work for a pittance.

The only reason they are expected to work for a pittance is because the labour market surplus is continually being topped up with various waves of immigration . Everyone seems so keen on market forces determining  prices and wages , but don't see any problem with continually forcing lower end wages down by having an excess labour  pool. Surely if we payed them a little more , supermarkets payed a little more and reduced profit margins , and only allowed people to come if we were actually short of labour we could have a much better society ?

I know EU law allows free movement , and in many ways this is fantastic , but surely they can see some of the problems too. 

[Guest MattP]

You can see what he means though can't you Zing.

 

Labours new tagline since "austerity isn't working" has gone down the toilet is "cost of living crisis" - can you imagine the uproar if all of  sudden a £80 grocery shop became a £120 shop?

 

People just won't tolerate it anymore.

[The God Emperor]

like I said in another thread this immigrants stealing jobs is a more to do with the attitude of young people. I've got plenty of younger relatives who've just left school and now expect to be able to walk into their dream job despite the fact they've done nothing with their life for the past 18 years. these should be the people going for jobs like fruit picking but all I hear is "that dont pay enough" "I'm not going all that way on a bus" "I dont want to get up that early". I dont know what they expect work to be. It's work for god's sake not a holiday your payed to be on. its going to involve doing things you dont want to do, thats why someone is having to pay you to do it!

 

/rant 

[Zingari]

You can see what he means though can't you Zing.

 

Labours new tagline since "austerity isn't working" has gone down the toilet is "cost of living crisis" - can you imagine the uproar if all of  sudden a £80 grocery shop became a £120 shop?

 

People just won't tolerate it anymore.

But as I said before , Brits have been doing these jobs and food prices weren't sky high then , so what's changed ?

It's a s though the only reason food prices are as they are is because of EU immigrants . It's nonsense 

[Webbo]

But as I said before , Brits have been doing these jobs and food prices weren't sky high then , so what's changed ?

 

The attitude of British workers.

[Zingari]

The attitude of British workers.

How fortunate the attitude of workers changed at the very same time as a new pool of labour came in to replace them . 

[Trav Le Bleu]

 

edit ; we've had a benefit system for quite some time now and still the fruit and veg got picked and we had a workforce to do it without any help fron eastern europe.

why won't the british do it now ?

 

I know how to get British people back into the fields.

 

We should start a TV show called "X-Picker" or "The Farmer" where kids are selected for their horticultural aptitude by a panel of celebs associated with the industry, say... Alan Titchmarch, John Craven, Matt Baker and Rachel De Thame (for the eye candy). They could sit on four tractors and raise or lower the plough depending on how much they liked the contestant, whilst we all ring in to say how much we like Britnay's attempt to furrow a potato field, or Z-Def's particularly moving pea-shelling.

 

It could run for years!

[Alf Bentley]

You can see what he means though can't you Zing.

 

Labours new tagline since "austerity isn't working" has gone down the toilet is "cost of living crisis" - can you imagine the uproar if all of  sudden a £80 grocery shop became a £120 shop?

 

People just won't tolerate it anymore.

 

I appreciate why you've reverted to your Mick Philpott photo, Matt, given today's match....but I hope the change is temporary. It is a bit of a downer seeing his mug (particularly in combination with his shirt). I'd rather forget that he ever existed.

 

Couldn't you pose with some nice girlies like Year of the Fox or display some bouncing breasts (preferably not your own) like Newquay Fox? Ally Cook in action is great too (bringing memories of when he used to be)....even that Photoshop image of you and Hitler would be infinitely better than Philpott!

[Webbo]

How fortunate the attitude of workers changed at the very same time as a new pool of labour came in to replace them . 

That's market forces. If the farmer can't get Britons to do the job he has to look elsewhere.

 

I remember when I was at school my teachers used to tell me that he used to pick spud in the summer when he was a student. I seem to remember hearing about 14/15/16 year olds used to work on farms during the summers, that probably wouldn't be allowed now.

[MooseBreath]

How fortunate the attitude of workers changed at the very same time as a new pool of labour came in to replace them .

Or at the very same time as Labour increased welfare spending and made benefits a lifestyle choice?

The guys on the immigrants documentary said they were getting over £300 per week. That's not a bad wage for unskilled manual labour.

Immigrants clearly drive down wages (simultaneously driving down the cost of production, making things cheaper for everyone, creating jobs and increasing exports, of course) and that is undoubtedly a factor. But the entitlement culture caused by labours vote buying policy is a bigger factor imo.

[Dr The Singh]

Or at the very same time as Labour increased welfare spending and made benefits a lifestyle choice?

The guys on the immigrants documentary said they were getting over £300 per week. That's not a bad wage for unskilled manual labour.

Immigrants clearly drive down wages (simultaneously driving down the cost of production, making things cheaper for everyone, creating jobs and increasing exports, of course) and that is undoubtedly a factor. But the entitlement culture caused by labours vote buying policy is a bigger factor imo.

I know immigrants earning £400 plus a week but they work 7 days and long hours!!