Webbo Posted 16 January 2014 Posted 16 January 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25733830 I did that survey for Yougov, you couldn't get a more slanted set of question. It was like; a) Have you ever had to borrow money from your friends to pay the mortgage? b) Have you had to borrow from a payday lender to pay your mortgage? c) Have you ever missed a payment on your mortgage? d) Are you struggling to pay your mortgage? There was no option of ,are you managing okay with your mortgage? Usually at the end of these surveys there's a question "were the questions fair and balanced?" but not that time. If ever there was a survey to get the answers you wanted that was it.
Guest MattP Posted 16 January 2014 Posted 16 January 2014 I wasn't a begging little toerag, but a member of one of those much-praised "hard-working families" (there's a phrase for the "things that grind my gears" thread!). I wonder where "Fungi" got his name from? Because he's undesirable scum? Because he's a "fun guy"? Because he grows on people?! I think it was mentioned 24 times in Cameron and Milibands speeches last summer, beaten off only by "cost of living". Fungi? He looks a bit like a mushroom. The hat. The first programme was to get people interested and pandered to the those who point fingers at stereotypes. Hopefully the others will be a fairer reflection but i doubt it. Yes, Channel 4 yet again doing the Tories bidding, in other news on next week's Question Time is Nick Griffin, Nigel Farage, Richard Littlejohn, Boris Johnson and David Davis.
Rincewind Posted 16 January 2014 Posted 16 January 2014 If you are managing your finances OK, or too proud to admit that you need extra help as many are then put down no. The opposite of are you struggling with your mortgage is are you managing your mortgage. The survey was to find out how many people were resorting to borrowing not if they were coping because many would say they were even if they had borrowed. Their thinking maybe as an example 'I may be on short time now but the Government is saying things are improving so next month I will be in full time work again.'
Guest MattP Posted 16 January 2014 Posted 16 January 2014 If you are managing your finances OK, or too proud to admit that you need extra help as many are then put down no. The opposite of are you struggling with your mortgage is are you not struggling with your mortgage. The survey was to find out how many people were resorting to borrowing not if they were coping because many would say they were even if they had borrowed. Their thinking maybe as an example 'I may be on short time now but the Government is saying things are improving so next month I will be in full time work again.' How do you know? Did you conduct the survey. Personally I think the results are impressive, 2% have resorted to pay day loans (I wonder how many of them still had money for booze and fags oi oi!!) and less than 1 in 5 had borrowed, I'd say that pretty much means the average man in the street is actually ok when it comes to paying down what they owe on their properties.
Webbo Posted 16 January 2014 Posted 16 January 2014 If you are managing your finances OK, or too proud to admit that you need extra help as many are then put down no. The opposite of are you struggling with your mortgage is are you managing your mortgage. The survey was to find out how many people were resorting to borrowing not if they were coping because many would say they were even if they had borrowed. Their thinking maybe as an example 'I may be on short time now but the Government is saying things are improving so next month I will be in full time work again.' But what about the people who are coping with their mortgage? Surely they should be included in the statistics?
Rincewind Posted 16 January 2014 Posted 16 January 2014 But what about the people who are coping with their mortgage? Surely they should be included in the statistics? The government does those surveys.
Webbo Posted 16 January 2014 Posted 16 January 2014 The government does those surveys. Yougov did the survey on behalf on Shelter.
oxford blue Posted 16 January 2014 Posted 16 January 2014 Looks like you're both right. Here's some info: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21523319 -> "Bulgarians and Romanians gained the right to visa-free travel to the UK in 2007, when their countries joined the EU. But there were temporary restrictions on the kind of jobs they could take. Employers had to apply for work permits and migrants for an "accession worker card". Low-skilled workers were restricted to existing quota schemes in the agricultural and food processing sectors. These restrictions were dropped on 1 January, having been extended to the maximum period of seven years" The Romanians in the programme may still have been working illegally, but if not then surely the employer would be under a duty to keep proper accounts of pay, tax etc? If they'd applied for a work permit and the migrant workers had "accession worker cards", in theory the employers would be easy to identify and investigate - and the police should have done that! They would not have been working legally. Employment was allowed under Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme or in some food processing sectors - either is unlikely in central Birmingham. Moreover, they would need the appropriate registration card before they started work. Before they could obtain this, their employer would have to gained permission to employ them. If they had been working legally, they could have claimed housing benefit - and I can't see 12 living in the same house under such circumstances.
Alf Bentley Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 They would not have been working legally. Employment was allowed under Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme or in some food processing sectors - either is unlikely in central Birmingham. Moreover, they would need the appropriate registration card before they started work. Before they could obtain this, their employer would have to gained permission to employ them. If they had been working legally, they could have claimed housing benefit - and I can't see 12 living in the same house under such circumstances. Back in the 80s, while living in central Norwich, I was on a potato-picking gang that worked right across Norfolk. We just jumped in the back of a van in a pub car park and were driven to whichever fields were to be picked, sometimes an hour's drive away. There was some mention during the programme that the Romanians had been offered work picking carrots or something. A lot will have changed since my day - e.g. gangs of East European pickers living in at farms in Lincolnshire - but it's not an impossible scenario.....though I agree that the Romanians' arrangement didn't have an air of legality about it!
Vlad the Fox Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 Back in the 80s, while living in central Norwich, I was on a potato-picking gang that worked right across Norfolk. We just jumped in the back of a van in a pub car park and were driven to whichever fields were to be picked, sometimes an hour's drive away. There was some mention during the programme that the Romanians had been offered work picking carrots or something. A lot will have changed since my day - e.g. gangs of East European pickers living in at farms in Lincolnshire - but it's not an impossible scenario.....though I agree that the Romanians' arrangement didn't have an air of legality about it! In my student days I used to work the summers out in the fields rose budding, I had a great time plenty of laughs, being out in the countryside and the money wasn't bad for my age. If the need ever arose again I would have no problems doing it again.
Alf Bentley Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 In my student days I used to work the summers out in the fields rose budding, I had a great time plenty of laughs, being out in the countryside and the money wasn't bad for my age. If the need ever arose again I would have no problems doing it again. Rose budding - there's one I've not done. I think that I might have a T-shirt made for mine: Strawberries & Raspberries (Kent/Norfolk 1978-83); Apples (Kent, 1980-82), Potatoes (Norfolk/Kent, 1983-85), Grapes (Beaujolais 1983-87, Champagne 1983, Alsace 1987, Hunter Valley 1990), Peaches, Pears & Apples (Victoria/NSW border, 1990) - though Alsace and Hunter Valley involved work in the winery (and all temporary, seasonal work, of course). Hard work sometimes, agricultural labour, but I have a lot of good memories of the fresh air and conviviality, too.
Vlad the Fox Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 Rose budding - there's one I've not done. I think that I might have a T-shirt made for mine: Strawberries & Raspberries (Kent/Norfolk 1978-83); Apples (Kent, 1980-82), Potatoes (Norfolk/Kent, 1983-85), Grapes (Beaujolais 1983-87, Champagne 1983, Alsace 1987, Hunter Valley 1990), Peaches, Pears & Apples (Victoria/NSW border, 1990) - though Alsace and Hunter Valley involved work in the winery (and all temporary, seasonal work, of course). Hard work sometimes, agricultural labour, but I have a lot of good memories of the fresh air and conviviality, too. It was hard work at times, but for spending most the day bent over I was the most supple I'd ever been. I could have got a job as a contortionist during the winter. And as you say the conviviality was great, there was one lad with learning difficulties who would hoe the rows for us having been sent out of the shed by the company who contracted us to 'get him out of their way' but he loved it with us because we'd treat him like we treated each other, ribbing, laughing and showing an interest, but also valuing his work.
Father Ted Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 I don't understand why everyone is so shocked by this? It's not as if James Turner Street is the only street like this in the UK, there are streets in Highfields which are just as bad. If it was possible, I'd stop most of them from having children. Parents are filth, 9/10 times the children follow suit. As they say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
purpleronnie Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 I don't understand why everyone is so shocked by this? It's not as if James Turner Street is the only street like this in the UK, there are streets in Highfields which are just as bad. If it was possible, I'd stop most of them from having children. Parents are filth, 9/10 times the children follow suit. As they say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. How would you stop people's right to have children?
Guest MattP Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 Stop paying them to have them, you'd soon see the birthate reduce I'd bet in these scum holes.
purpleronnie Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 Stop paying them to have them, you'd soon see the birthate reduce I'd bet in these scum holes. Ah well that's a little different than actually stopping people having kids. Forgive my ignorance on the subject but aren't the tories introducing a cap on the number of children from one family who can recieve benefits?
Guest MattP Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 Yeah I think it's two. About time but I'd still prefer it to be zero.
purpleronnie Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 Yeah I think it's two. About time but I'd still prefer it to be zero. Oh matt you crazy cat.
Guest MattP Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 Oh matt you crazy cat. Is it really that crazy to expect parents to be able to pay for their children? I don't think it is.
purpleronnie Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 Is it really that crazy to expect parents to be able to pay for their children? I don't think it is. No but its hardly a windfall is it? We might not be here if the government didn't help a little.
Guest MattP Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 No but its hardly a windfall is it? We might not be here if the government didn't help a little. So if that's the case why is it ok to do it for the third child but not the first?
purpleronnie Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 So if that's the case why is it ok to do it for the third child but not the first? do what?
Guest MattP Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 do what? No support them with government money.
purpleronnie Posted 17 January 2014 Posted 17 January 2014 No support them with government money. I don't understand your post 'why is it ok to do it for the third child but not the first'? Surely the first child would have the benefits but the third wouldn't.
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