MooseBreath Posted 20 January 2014 Author Posted 20 January 2014 That was quite hard to watch in parts. Those kids don't stand a chance with parenting as bad as that.
Guest MattP Posted 20 January 2014 Posted 20 January 2014 glad i never saw it. Definitely for the best, even you would have had trouble defending that one.
jonthefox Posted 20 January 2014 Posted 20 January 2014 That was quite hard to watch in parts. Those kids don't stand a chance with parenting as bad as that. Its probably how the parents were brought up themselves. A vicious cycle.
Guest MattP Posted 20 January 2014 Posted 20 January 2014 He's just absolutely useless isn't he? Like a 12 year old in a man's body. Clearly never done a days work in his life including school. Honestly don't know what you do with these people, dead end. Does anyone on the street not smoke?
cambridgefox Posted 20 January 2014 Posted 20 January 2014 He's just absolutely useless isn't he? Like a 12 year old in a man's body. Clearly never done a days work in his life including school. Honestly don't know what you do with these people, dead end. Does anyone on the street not smoke? My 10 year old doesn't even say" I like to skid on my bike" I blame the bankers for that though because the country has gone to the skids!
Rincewind Posted 20 January 2014 Posted 20 January 2014 some of those not appearing in the programme may not smoke. They may even go out to work but showing them would go against the title of the programme.
Guest MattP Posted 20 January 2014 Posted 20 January 2014 My 10 year old doesn't even say" I like to skid on my bike" I blame the bankers for that though because the country has gone to the skids! I blame Thatcher though I'm not sure why. How disgusting was White Dee tonight? Playing the depression card now, who tells their own young children to fcuk off? They really should just take the kids out then flatten the place and everyone in it, society would benefit overall.
Unabomber Posted 20 January 2014 Posted 20 January 2014 Big fat white Dee was fvcking infuriating tonight.
Danno Posted 20 January 2014 Posted 20 January 2014 Napalming the whole street would be a good option. Actually fvck that just do it to the whole of birmingham.
lavrentis Posted 20 January 2014 Posted 20 January 2014 How come everyone can afford fags? and Marks wife forgot her name (the ginger one) said she wasn't aware as to how high the arrears got? Christ did she think they would pay themselves? Just feel sorry for all the kids in that situtation.
Mike Oxlong Posted 20 January 2014 Posted 20 January 2014 If you had too ( chopping off your knob is not an option ) White Dee or Black Dee?
lavrentis Posted 20 January 2014 Posted 20 January 2014 If you had too ( chopping off your knob is not an option ) White Dee or Black Dee? I don't know whether to empathise with white dee or not. I can see how her circumstance is difficult and hard to get out of but I do know there are some people that play the victim all their lives.
ozleicester Posted 20 January 2014 Posted 20 January 2014 .....this is no accident either, growing inequality has been driven by a "power grab" by wealthy elites, who have co-opted the political process to rig the rules of the economic system in their favour..... http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/20/oxfam-85-richest-people-half-of-the-world
Libertine Dream Posted 21 January 2014 Posted 21 January 2014 some of those not appearing in the programme may not smoke. They may even go out to work but showing them would go against the title of the programme. Yeah why show the minority?
JonnyBoy Posted 21 January 2014 Posted 21 January 2014 If nothing else, Mark could get a job as Adrian Chiles' stunt double if the 100% commission job goes tits up. hahahahahaha dying
Guest MattP Posted 21 January 2014 Posted 21 January 2014 How anyone shagged White Dee I'll never know. Going to the cashpoint at midnight to buy special brew as your benefit money has just gone in. Classy.
Alf Bentley Posted 21 January 2014 Posted 21 January 2014 He's just absolutely useless isn't he? Like a 12 year old in a man's body. Clearly never done a days work in his life including school. Honestly don't know what you do with these people, dead end. Does anyone on the street not smoke? "12 year old in a man's body" is about right, without meaning it nastily, but I don't think it's to do with a lack of work or even education, just a lack of mental ability. With the best will and upbringing in the world, unless he has some deeply hidden talent, he's just unfortunate enough not to have the potential for anything more than very basic unskilled labour. It would take proper assessment (and some care and resources - in short supply), but wouldn't it be better if he was given public-funded work cleaning the street or whatever 4 days per week on the minimum wage, while spending 1 day per week getting tuition in parenting and basic skills (budgeting for bills, basic literacy etc)? That wouldn't cost any more than paying him the dole. In fact, given the kids, paid work is the least important bit - more important for him to learn a few basic coping skills, and for the pair of them to be helped with parenting (she did seem to be learning, tbf - a bit of help and she'd be a decent Mum). He seemed an amiable enough bloke who meant well - and did find work, but only on 100% commission (that was cruel - he was never likely to convince anyone door to door). His missus had a lot more potential - God knows why she and her mate entered into a contest to attract him. Low self-esteem? Smoking? If you have little worthwhile in your life, you make sure you have 1 or 2 little pleasures. When I've been skint in the past, I've always managed my money so that I could still have a couple of beers! some of those not appearing in the programme may not smoke. They may even go out to work but showing them would go against the title of the programme. You ought to watch it, Ken. It's a better, more balanced programme than some of the comments here might suggest. Kids and parenting was definitely the main focus this week. Made me think how a properly-funded, properly-applied "Sure Start" type initiative could increase life chances, at least for the kids, even for some of the adults - and at no greater cost than leaving them dumped on benefits. Some would be unrecoverable and it'd be a tortuous process, but would be well worth the effort long-term (thinking of the kids)....but that's the problem: govt and large parts of society don't think it's worth bothering with people like that. Very short-sighted, even from a right-wing perspective of avoiding people being a burden and getting into crime etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sure_Start The trailer suggested that they'd be looking at some people (apart from Mark) trying to get work next week. Should be interesting.
Vlad the Fox Posted 21 January 2014 Posted 21 January 2014 How anyone shagged White Dee I'll never know. Going to the cashpoint at midnight to buy special brew as your benefit money has just gone in. Classy. The was a programme on last year set in Blackpool, they were queuing up at the cash machine in their pyjamas for their dole. Pitiful.
Rincewind Posted 21 January 2014 Posted 21 January 2014 Alf, May look at the catch up show. You are right the comments have put me off. Selected viewing it seems. You are right about them needing training in managing skills. It was not his fault being born with lwer mental ability. It is not a lifestyle choice;
craig_whizz Posted 21 January 2014 Posted 21 January 2014 Benefits Street is like a Daily Mail TV show, everything is edited to make 'normal' people outraged. Not to say there aren't really scummy people on it, many of them make a good case for food vouchers so dole money can't be spent on drugs, but I would hope the whole street aren't the same
Rincewind Posted 21 January 2014 Posted 21 January 2014 Benefits Street is like a Daily Mail TV show, everything is edited to make 'normal' people outraged. Not to say there aren't really scummy people on it, many of them make a good case for food vouchers so dole money can't be spent on drugs, but I would hope the whole street aren't the same I would guess that they are not. They have got the reaction they wanted to though judging by some posts on here. I bet cameron ahttp://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/broadcasters/no-apology-from-c4-to-benefits-street/5065464.article?blocktitle=LATEST-NEWS&contentID=870nd co. are rubbing thir hands with glee. http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/broadcasters/no-apology-from-c4-to-benefits-street/5065464.article?blocktitle=LATEST-NEWS&contentID=870
Guest MattP Posted 21 January 2014 Posted 21 January 2014 "12 year old in a man's body" is about right, without meaning it nastily, but I don't think it's to do with a lack of work or even education, just a lack of mental ability. With the best will and upbringing in the world, unless he has some deeply hidden talent, he's just unfortunate enough not to have the potential for anything more than very basic unskilled labour. It would take proper assessment (and some care and resources - in short supply), but wouldn't it be better if he was given public-funded work cleaning the street or whatever 4 days per week on the minimum wage, while spending 1 day per week getting tuition in parenting and basic skills (budgeting for bills, basic literacy etc)? That wouldn't cost any more than paying him the dole. In fact, given the kids, paid work is the least important bit - more important for him to learn a few basic coping skills, and for the pair of them to be helped with parenting (she did seem to be learning, tbf - a bit of help and she'd be a decent Mum). He seemed an amiable enough bloke who meant well - and did find work, but only on 100% commission (that was cruel - he was never likely to convince anyone door to door). His missus had a lot more potential - God knows why she and her mate entered into a contest to attract him. Low self-esteem? Smoking? If you have little worthwhile in your life, you make sure you have 1 or 2 little pleasures. When I've been skint in the past, I've always managed my money so that I could still have a couple of beers! You ought to watch it, Ken. It's a better, more balanced programme than some of the comments here might suggest. Kids and parenting was definitely the main focus this week. Made me think how a properly-funded, properly-applied "Sure Start" type initiative could increase life chances, at least for the kids, even for some of the adults - and at no greater cost than leaving them dumped on benefits. Some would be unrecoverable and it'd be a tortuous process, but would be well worth the effort long-term (thinking of the kids)....but that's the problem: govt and large parts of society don't think it's worth bothering with people like that. Very short-sighted, even from a right-wing perspective of avoiding people being a burden and getting into crime etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sure_Start The trailer suggested that they'd be looking at some people (apart from Mark) trying to get work next week. Should be interesting. Can't agree on smoking being a hobby, it certainly can't be justified that taxpayers should fund people's addictions whatever they are. Ideally he would be working via manuel labour buy why would he do that when he can knock a couple of kids out and me and you can lose our wages to fund his life? Fortunately it does now appear the government is getting a grip on these people to some extent. Next week should be very interesting.
Guest MattP Posted 21 January 2014 Posted 21 January 2014 I would guess that they are not. They have got the reaction they wanted to though judging by some posts on here. I bet cameron ahttp://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/broadcasters/no-apology-from-c4-to-benefits-street/5065464.article?blocktitle=LATEST-NEWS&contentID=870nd co. are rubbing thir hands with glee. http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/broadcasters/no-apology-from-c4-to-benefits-street/5065464.article?blocktitle=LATEST-NEWS&contentID=870 What in the world is that?? What on earth should they be apologising for? Thr only apology we should be seeing is from this lot to the British taxpayer.
The God Emperor Posted 21 January 2014 Posted 21 January 2014 .....this is no accident either, growing inequality has been driven by a "power grab" by wealthy elites, who have co-opted the political process to rig the rules of the economic system in their favour..... http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/20/oxfam-85-richest-people-half-of-the-world this is what happens when government has the power to grant favours
cambridgefox Posted 21 January 2014 Posted 21 January 2014 I would guess that they are not. They have got the reaction they wanted to though judging by some posts on here. I bet cameron ahttp://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/broadcasters/no-apology-from-c4-to-benefits-street/5065464.article?blocktitle=LATEST-NEWS&contentID=870nd co. are rubbing thir hands with glee. http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/broadcasters/no-apology-from-c4-to-benefits-street/5065464.article?blocktitle=LATEST-NEWS&contentID=870 What in the world is that?? What on earth should they be apologising for? Thr only apology we should be seeing is from this lot to the British taxpayer. MR Cameron should be apologising for not coming down harder on this lot,these tossers are taking money from ME and why,I don't know where to start.One family in episode one admitted they had had their benefits cut for committing fraud by claiming extra and had the bloody cheek to moan that they have had payment cuts.Jail them.work shy,I had a little respect for the ginger one last night for trying to get her husband/ blot on society/ skid solo to get a job,but he was ok not working when they were claiming extra and taking MY money.The reaction of white Dee when her daughter said she was looking for a job in the trailer for next week.It was as if she had shit in her mouth." Why do you want to work and be different from everybody on the street" bloody disgrace .
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