The People's Hero Posted 12 January 2014 Posted 12 January 2014 Your comment was very aloof. You seem to think you know it all. I'm inviting you to share your views so that we might all be enlightened. You are not willing to do so. All seems a bit suspiciously like you might have been blowing smoke. You're a fraud. A phony. An empty vessel. All bark and no bite.
Jimothy Posted 12 January 2014 Posted 12 January 2014 Of course if someone asks you a question you'd rather not answer you could just not post for a few days then ignore it, eh TPH?
The People's Hero Posted 12 January 2014 Posted 12 January 2014 What question? If I've missed one I apologise. I know I have a lot of posts but I tend to be mainly on at weekends these days so I do miss quite a bit. What is it you'd like to ask me?
Jimothy Posted 12 January 2014 Posted 12 January 2014 What question? If I've missed one I apologise. I know I have a lot of posts but I tend to be mainly on at weekends these days so I do miss quite a bit. What is it you'd like to ask me? Page 7, posts 247 and 251. Bit of a pain quoting you and copying the links to posts a few pages back, plus you can see it in the context it was asked.
The People's Hero Posted 12 January 2014 Posted 12 January 2014 I'll have a look a bit later when I can get on my PC.
Webbo Posted 12 January 2014 Posted 12 January 2014 People that work in social services, charities and advice centres do meet those on benefits every day. David Cameron,George Osbourne IDS and the majority on this message board do not. How do you know?Do all charity and social workers have the same opinions? What experience do you have of running the country and finding the money for all these people, for trying to change things for the better rather than just perpetuating a failed system?
The People's Hero Posted 12 January 2014 Posted 12 January 2014 If you do so much as venture out of your house you will 'meet those on benefits' every day. There's loads of them, Ken. Take a look in a wether spoons between 9-5 mon fri....
ADK Posted 12 January 2014 Posted 12 January 2014 I think the bit that annoys me is when people claim there are jobs that people are refusing. That there are people going "6.38? feck that I'm gonna lie in and play xbox and nip down the pub later instead." It doesn't happen like that in reality. The jobs market is still saturated with available labour. If someone really was daft enough to refuse a job offer then it would be snapped up by someone else.
Dr The Singh Posted 12 January 2014 Posted 12 January 2014 I think the bit that annoys me is when people claim there are jobs that people are refusing. That there are people going "6.38? feck that I'm gonna lie in and play xbox and nip down the pub later instead." It doesn't happen like that in reality. The jobs market is still saturated with available labour. If someone really was daft enough to refuse a job offer then it would be snapped up by someone else. I can only talk about my experiences, I have many nephews, nieces, children of associates sitting at home looking for the 'ideal' job, they would never consider stacking shelves, cleaning streets etc. In fact within our family circles who own franchises in many business, would easily find work, some think of it below them......unfortunately there parents share the same sentiment, but they are more then happy claiming benefits. And yes they do play xbox, drink and laze around, however they are trying there busting a gut sending CV's etc for there ideal role. There parents are happily funding there habits above there benefits, infact the benefits money is just drink money. I once stated that if I was an employer looking for a graduate or skilled and had 2 CV's, one with someone who stacks shelves and was working, vs someone for the last 6 months sitting at home, I would pick the guy stacking shelves, cus he is made the effort to work and take some responsibility in his life.
Rincewind Posted 12 January 2014 Posted 12 January 2014 All the talk is about the unemployed who are on benefits. What about those who are doing part time, full time or zero hour contracts? A lot of those also claim.
MooseBreath Posted 12 January 2014 Author Posted 12 January 2014 I think the bit that annoys me is when people claim there are jobs that people are refusing. That there are people going "6.38? feck that I'm gonna lie in and play xbox and nip down the pub later instead." It doesn't happen like that in reality. The jobs market is still saturated with available labour. If someone really was daft enough to refuse a job offer then it would be snapped up by someone else. Show us some evidence then. I've already posted about the immigration show on the BBC where the farmer who employs dozens of eastern Europeans said no Brits want the job. It's a small piece of anecdotal evidence which doesn't mean a whole lot, but it's a great deal more substantiation than you've provided in support of your own claims so far. Or you could just go on taking pointless potshots at people while contributing nothing of any value to the discussion. Up to you matey.
Alf Bentley Posted 12 January 2014 Posted 12 January 2014 Jury still out on this programme for me. Good to see coverage of a part of society that TV often ignores, but I hope that future episodes are a bit more balanced: show the skivers and criminals, by all means, but also people keen to work. [... Numerous verbose points, including pointing out that TPH's recommendation of the sterilisation of social undesirables was applied by Hitler's Nazis, but is not well viewed by history] Never has one man typed so much but contributed so little to the discussion. I'd love to see you venture a real opinion. Something you actually believe. You criticise others but have very little to say for yourself. Why not make 2014 the year you form your first opinion? Thanks for taking the time to respond. Much appreciated, given your busy and successful life, and the time you have to devote to making 30,000+ much-appreciated contributions to FoxesTalk. [Response incorporating numerous debatable opinions (see original post in unlikely event that you're interested)] I'm going to the pub. I may respond to his post at some point. There are parts of it I agree with. His attack on my spelling, not my argument was ad hominem. I was just highlighting that but it appears, not unsurprisingly, to have gone over many heads! If it gives you some kind of odd victory or comfort to imagine that I don't have 'the ability' to respond to a fairly middle of the road post, treading much trodden ground and saying nothing at all new, then go ahead! I think you and I both know it isn't true. I hope you enjoy your drink. I'm off to the pub myself shortly. If you make a civil response to my post, you'll get a civil reply from me. No need to feel obliged, though, as we all have busy lives. [blah! Blah!] I would still welcome a response to my post, but always assumed that this was unlikely as my impression was that, for whatever reason, you preferred pointless and unjustified hostility over rational argument. As I assume that you are not a troll, I struggle to understand the reason for this. I can only assume that you have some deep and desperate unhappiness or frustration in your life. You have mentioned that you commute to a job that you seem proud of, that you have a wife and 3 kids etc. Life can be tough for all sorts of reasons. For my part, my income is down this year, my marriage is not perfect (though massively improved), my parents are old and ill and I am critical of my parenting - and my drinking, and the time that I spent on FoxesTalk! I'd suggest that you think seriously about what is causing you to behave in this deeply unpleasant manner and seek to address it. I wish you well in that. I've never used the "Ignore" facility on FoxesTalk, as ultimately "it's just an internet forum" (though one I really appreciate). However, and you may take this as a compliment, you are the one person that I've considered "ignoring". That's not because I disagree with your opinions (you express very few articulate opinions, in my experience). I mainly disagree with MattP, but would love to share a pint with him as he seems a friendly, humorous bloke, even if he's a mischievous Thatcherite; likewise the likes of Webbo and Jonthehat, who are civilised debaters; even Moosebreath, for God's sake, a man whose better posts are well worth reading...not to mention clearly nice, politically wiser people like Zingari, leicsmac, Jordan and Rincewind. My reason for thinking of putting you on ignore was because you offered no worthwhile opinions and your pointlessly nasty attitude was depressing. FoxesTalk is meant to be fun, for Christ's sake! As I work from home and lead a pretty isolated life a lot of the time, I enjoy the argument, gossip, opinion and repartee....there are a few idiots, but mainly they're just young and can't help themselves. You can....please get whatever help you need to stop behaving in this depressing manner. Exhibits A to Z: Ps look at you lot jumping on the latest bandwagon! Did a celebrity recently use the word 'troll' or something? 95% of you are absolutely pathetic and completely vapid. Another genius who didn't spot idiot boy dismissing my argument on the basis of a typo. If you understood irony, you may get it. Is it half term again already? Don't be sad. Why don't you enlighten us all, oh great one? Thought not. All mouth no trousers! If you don't want to be part of the discussion, just don't bother at all. Snide, aloof comments which add nothing are not welcome. Your comment was very aloof. You seem to think you know it all. I'm inviting you to share your views so that we might all be enlightened. You are not willing to do so. All seems a bit suspiciously like you might have been blowing smoke. You're a fraud. A phony. An empty vessel. All bark and no bite.
Rincewind Posted 12 January 2014 Posted 12 January 2014 I was wondering if any of those all all will be cancelled now that the police are investigating some that appeared on it. If not I hope they that some of the better tenants are featured as a balance but I have my doubts as it would not make good TV or go along with the stereotypes that were in the first. Earlier in the thread I posted a link to the Birmingham Post and an article re the programme. One response was from a reporter who said they did a survey of the street themselves. Out of the 100 plus houses they called at there were only a few people in during the day some were at work maybe. But of course they probably lied because the results do not fit in with views. I may not watch future programmes anyway so will not be able to comment on them.
MooseBreath Posted 12 January 2014 Author Posted 12 January 2014 Maybe they didn't want to answer the door to a reporter. Maybe they were down the pub. Maybe they were in town robbing shops. Maybe they were still in bed. Maybe they were down the offey. Maybe they were out buying fags. Maybe they were engrossed in a movie. Maybe they were down maccy d's. Maybe they were taking the kids to school. Maybe they were pretending to look for jobs. Maybe they were actually looking for jobs. Maybe they were at work. Maybe there could have been a million reasons why they didn't answer the door to a reporter.
Strokes Posted 12 January 2014 Posted 12 January 2014 I may not watch future programmes anyway so will not be able to comment on them.Oh dont be like that ken, your comments will be equally as valuable whether you watch it or not.
Guest MattP Posted 13 January 2014 Posted 13 January 2014 Got some sausage rolls in for tonight's episode. Looking forward to it.
Parafox Posted 13 January 2014 Posted 13 January 2014 Got some sausage rolls in for tonight's episode. Looking forward to it. Otherwise know as Greggs dummies there's so many small kids in buggies who have them stuffed in their mouths while their out of work mothers wobble round town or in B&M or Homebargains. I assume they're out of work and not moonlighting as childminders.
Rincewind Posted 13 January 2014 Posted 13 January 2014 Assumptions are sometimes wrong. How about a shift worker?
Alf Bentley Posted 13 January 2014 Posted 13 January 2014 Assumptions are sometimes wrong. How about a shift worker? For that matter, they might be working as, er, mothers. I know that a lot of mothers go back to full-time employment after maternity leave, but a lot of women take responsibility for their kids full-time when they're very young rather than just handing them over to nurseries and childminders for every waking hour of the week. You never know, they might have partners who earn a full-time wage sufficient to support a family. A lot also choose to work part-time at least until their kids start school. Once upon a time, I remember people of conservative opinions used to be strongly in favour of this - fathers as breadwinners and mothers taking the time to bring up their own children rather than handing them over to the vagaries of state-subsidised nurseries so as to spend every hour earning dosh to spend on bottles of Rioja, Laura Ashley wallpaper, ski-breaks in the Alps and a weekly cleaner like those scummy middle-classes! I look forward to this evening's episode with interest - hoping for some of the same as last week but with a bit more balance: the odd unlucky striver or damaged individual to offset some of the chaotic and/or criminal and/or addicted and/or institutionalised claimants. That's how I like my "poverty porn"...
l444ry Posted 13 January 2014 Posted 13 January 2014 Benefit Street's tenants claim £282,000 per year in an area where 58 people chase every 1 job available Downing Street Tenants claim £3.8 million per year of which one, a David Cameron, claimed £680,000 in renovations last year as well as a £30,000 kitchen. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=561038177313509&set=a.349296395154356.82908.349274725156523&type=1&theater
Guest MattP Posted 13 January 2014 Posted 13 January 2014 And what's wrong with Cameron claiming that? (Assuming it's even true) He's a very important man in an extremely important job, what comparison he has to the underclass in Birmingham I have no idea. They should be thankful to him and Osborne as without our economy recovery (strongest growing in western Europe now) these people would be hunting through bins for food.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 13 January 2014 Posted 13 January 2014 If you do so much as venture out of your house you will 'meet those on benefits' every day. There's loads of them, Ken. Take a look in a wether spoons between 9-5 mon fri.... Too bloody true. Work shy skivers live in Wetherspoons in Wycombe. My brother in law is one of them, and told me he has no intention of working for a living, as he gets by on benefit. I chucked the bastard out the house on Boxing Day, when he said this. Another idle c--t.
bovril Posted 13 January 2014 Posted 13 January 2014 Think I'll stick to watching the Arsenal tonight.
Guest MattP Posted 13 January 2014 Posted 13 January 2014 Think I'll stick to watching the Arsenal tonight. If the camera pans on the Holte End you might not be able to tell the difference.
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