johnny the fox Posted 16 April 2015 Share Posted 16 April 2015 My grandma used to think the sun shone out of Grenville's arse. Well with the amount of "action" he is alleged to have had it might do by now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buce Posted 16 April 2015 Share Posted 16 April 2015 My grandma used to think the sun shone out of Grenville's arse. Goodness, she looks an awful lot like a young Tony Blair.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 16 April 2015 Author Share Posted 16 April 2015 Alleged victim speaks out after Lord Janner announcement By Ciaranfagan | Posted: April 16, 2015 Leicestershire Police released the alleged victim's statement. Comments (0)Following the decision by the CPS not to prosecute Lord Janner, Leicestershire Police issued the following statement at 3.23pm today: "BREAKING NEWS: Statement from an alleged victim of historic sex abuse The following is a statement made by one of the 25 individuals who claimed to have been assaulted in Leicestershire between the 1960s and 1980s and whose claims were investigated by Leicestershire's Police Operation Enamel enquiry. The man has expressly requested that Leicestershire Police make his statement publicly available. RELATED CONTENT Greville Janner should have faced sex abuse trial years ago, says official report Decision not to charge Lord Janner is "wrong", say police chiefs Full DPP statement on decision not to charge Greville Janner In describing today's decision as "a disgrace", he said: "This animal is still being protected because [of his status] and isn't able to stand trial. They say that it's not in the public interest, but isn't it in the public interest to know what his victims have gone through at the hands of this man? "If he was an everyday person with a normal life and job, justice would [have] been served, but as it stands we victims are just being pushed to the ground again and walked over. "Let someone feel the pain and suffering that I've endured and still going to endure for the rest of my life. "It's not a case of being found guilty or going to prison – it's about being believed after so long being told that we were lying. Justice needs to be served." Read more: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Alleged-victim-speaks-Lord-Janner-announcement/story-26345432-detail/story.html#ixzz3XV5Hasgt Follow us: @Leicester_Merc on Twitter | leicestermercury on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crinklyfox Posted 17 April 2015 Share Posted 17 April 2015 I grew up in Mowmacre Hills when Greville Janner's father was MP for the constituency. He retired in the 60's (Can't remember if it was the 1964 or 1966 election) and Greville Janner stood for the seat. I actually met him briefly while he was campaigning, a friend and I were on our bikes when his car dove passed and stopped, he jumped out and slapped 'Vote Labour' stickers on our shirts 'for our mums and dads' jumped back into the car and drove off. He gave no impression of being 'unusual' but I guess that as a child you're not really aware of that, I certainly wasn't. Sickening to think that he could have used his position to abuse vulnerable children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 17 April 2015 Share Posted 17 April 2015 When my mum remarried in about 74 (election time) he let us use his parking space at the Town Hall. He went in the Beaumont WMC campaigning. As far as a know he seemed an OK bloke but I never took much notice or asked about his private life. His dad was supposed tohave been OK and popular too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 17 April 2015 Share Posted 17 April 2015 When my mum remarried in about 74 (election time) he let us use his parking space at the Town Hall. He went in the Beaumont WMC campaigning. As far as a know he seemed an OK bloke but I never took much notice or asked about his private life. His dad was supposed tohave been OK and popular too. No you don't generally go around asking people how many young boys they have buggered today, it's just not considered polite. 25 boys ffs, How the hell is he not facing trial? It makes me sick to my stomach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 17 April 2015 Share Posted 17 April 2015 No you don't generally go around asking people how many young boys they have buggered today, it's just not considered polite. 25 boys ffs, How the hell is he not facing trial? It makes me sick to my stomach. To be fair it's easy to understand why he won't face trial now, it's never going to be fair with the health he's in. What's so infuriating is the CPS saying they should have took it to trial a few years back when they said they didn't have enough evidence, but are now saying the did. They made the right decision not going to trial now, as harsh as it is on the victims, it was the decision back then where they ****ed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 17 April 2015 Share Posted 17 April 2015 Well if he is unable to answer questions in cross-examination then it willbe a disadvantage.But evenif he was able his experience as a MPin not answering the question asked would have got him off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 17 April 2015 Share Posted 17 April 2015 I know I shouldn't but it reminds me of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hankey Posted 18 April 2015 Share Posted 18 April 2015 This deplorable news is a double whammy. Firstly the victims have still have no justice and second the accused is not going to face a trial even in absentia despite the CPS having overwhelming evidence against him. And to think he we have a Labour peer who "got off" in 2002 and 2007 when we had a Labour Government. I suppose they were too busy bringing in legislation to save the damned fox to be bothered with more serious issues.The whole thing stinks. The passage of time should not diminish the crime!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 18 April 2015 Author Share Posted 18 April 2015 A former director of public prosecutions has said he was "never informed" about an investigation into historical child sex allegations against former Labour MP Lord Janner. Lord Macdonald QC said it was of "great regret" that regional Crown Prosecution Service lawyers had failed to refer the case to him in 2007. He said he would have given the allegations his "close attention". Cardiff-born peer Lord Janner, 86, has always denied any wrongdoing. The abuse allegations against the Labour peer relate to children's homes in Leicestershire in the 1970s and 80s. On Thursday, current Director of Public Prosecutions Alison Saunders announced that there was enough evidence to bring charges against Lord Janner but that this would not happen because he was now too sick to stand trial. He was diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease in 2009. Ms Saunders also said the CPS had been "wrong" not to prosecute following investigations in 1991 and 2007. 'Obvious errors' Speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme on Saturday, Lord Macdonald said he had never been notified about the 2007 police investigation, for reasons which he "did not understand". "It was apparently a serious police investigation, and it should have been absolutely clear to the lawyers in Leicestershire that this case should have been sent to London. "I would have undoubtedly taken a look at it personally, and would have undoubtedly myself have considered the question as to whether or not Lord Janner should be charged, and I very much regret that that didn't happen." Ken MacDonald Ken Macdonald QC was director of public prosecutions at the time of a 2007 police investigation into Lord Janner The decision on whether or not Lord Janner should now face charges was "reasonably finely balanced", he said, adding: "I think you could justify a decision going either way frankly." He said he had not seen all the material relating to the case, but that "in the light of the obvious errors of the CPS in the past with this case" it might have been better to resolve it in open court. line break Analysis by Clive Coleman, BBC legal correspondent On the decision not to prosecute Greville Janner, Lord Macdonald acknowledges that he hasn't seen the evidence, and doesn't go so far as to say Alison Saunders got it wrong, though he says you could justify a decision going either way. And unlike his successor, he favours a limited court hearing to establish the facts of the alleged abuse. Lord Macdonald also says that protocols were broken when regional prosecutors failed to refer the file on Greville Janner to specialist senior CPS lawyers in London and to himself in 2007. He says that they should emphatically not have dismissed the case. This morning will be painful for Alison Saunders. She's had a far from ringing endorsement from her predecessor on the Janner case, and a mauling in the press over the failures of Operation Elveden and its prosecution of journalists for paying public officials. line break Lord Janner was first interviewed in 1991 when his name was mentioned in the trial of Frank Beck, one of Britain's most notorious paedophiles who was jailed for abusing boys in his care at Leicestershire children's homes. The politician was accused of grooming and abusing a boy aged between 13 and 15, but the CPS did not pursue the case. He was investigated again in 2002 and 2006/7 when fresh allegations surfaced, but no action was taken, and the case was dropped. Lord Janner Lord Janner pictured in 1996 - a year before he retired as Leicester West MP In the course of its most recent investigation launched in 2013, Leicestershire Police interviewed more than 2,000 people and a "comprehensive file of evidence" was submitted to the CPS. More than a dozen individuals made allegations to police relating to Lord Janner. The "core allegation" was that as MP for Leicester West at the time, Lord Janner befriended the manager of a children's care home to allow him access to children so he could "perpetrate serious sexual offences on children", the CPS said. Lord Janner denied this allegation. He "is entirely innocent of any wrongdoing", the peer's family has said. Prosecutors said that despite having enough evidence to charge the peer with 22 sex offences, he was now too unwell to stand trial. A retired High Court judge will now review the CPS's handling of the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 14 June 2015 Author Share Posted 14 June 2015 Victims lawyer: Rolf Harris 'woodworm' prison song 'must affect parole' 2 hours ago From the sectionUK Rolf Harris should be denied parole after he reportedly called his victims "slimy little woodworm" in a song he has penned in jail, their lawyer says. Victims' lawyer Liz Dux said the lyrics - contained in a letter obtained by the Mail on Sunday - showed he had "no comprehension" of his crimes. The "revolting" song had left one victim "totally distraught", she said. Harris was jailed last year for 12 indecent assaults against four girls, one aged just seven or eight. He was sentenced to five years and nine months for the crimes, which took place between 1968 and 1986, and is understood to be serving his sentence at Stafford prison. In the letter to a friend, who revealed its contents to the newspaper, he said he planned to record the song once he is released, which he writes "will be towards the end of 2017". Ms Dux said if the letter proved real, his victims would be "furious and revolted" by Harris's "absolute arrogance". Harris painted a portrait of the Queen in 2005It showed he was "not in any way suffering any punishment for the great sins he committed", something the parole board should take into account, she said. "I think he's got no comprehension of how far he's fallen and devastating effect he's had. "It should certainly affect the way he's treated when he applies for early release - he hasn't understood severity of his crimes." The letter, which the Mail says it got from someone close to Harris who was "appalled" by it, calls his victims "foul accusers" who wanted his money. The BBC has not independently seen or verified the authenticity of the letter. 'Wench' lyricAccording to the Mail, the contents of Harris's song include: "the climate's great in Britain now for making loads of dough" "slimy little woodworm, make him burn. Get your 50-year-old hooks into his dough" "come and join the feeding frenzy girls" "that old bandwagon you crawled out of (rotten to the core) conceals a host of foul accusers" "perhaps you believe you're pretty still, some perfumed sultry wench" In his letter, Harris said his "inner rage" came to the fore after eight months in prison. "I've started writing a song about the injustice of it all," he wrote, adding that it should have a "country rock sound". "I plan to record this the moment I get out towards the end of 2017." 'No hardship'He added: "Prison is no hardship really. "I'm in the art room as an assistant to the tutor and basically I'm doing what I like." Harris was a familiar face on British television for many yearsIn court last July, Mr Justice Sweeney said Harris "clearly got a thrill" from committing some of his crimes while "others were present or nearby". He said Harris touched the youngest victim intimately when she approached him for an autograph in Portsmouth, while another was "groped" at an event in Cambridge. As well as the girl who was aged seven or eight, Harris's victims were two young teenagers and a childhood friend of his daughter Bindi. He abused his daughter's friend between the ages of 13 and 19. Passing sentence, the judge said Harris had "no-one to blame" but himself. Good to see that justice is being served. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 14 June 2015 Share Posted 14 June 2015 Good to see that justice is being served. Id deport the fooker when he gets out.. just for his wobble board... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpleronnie Posted 14 June 2015 Share Posted 14 June 2015 Good to see that justice is being served. Most prisoners want the public to believe they are having a great time, few want to admit they hate their freedom being taken away it's a coping mechanism and a way of giving 2 fingers to the public who've put them in jai and a continuation in their belief they haven't done anything wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 14 June 2015 Share Posted 14 June 2015 It depends onthe catagory of prisoner too. I doubt he would be classed as violent or a danger to other inmates. Therefore he would be offered a 'softer' job. As he has experience in art having made millions from it the art classroom will be ideal. There would probably only be a few turn up for lessons and for him it would seem easy work as it is something that he enjoys. I bet he doesn't enjoy the taking his piss bucket from the cell in the morning or the hours he spends with nutcases threatening to bum him in the shower if he doesn't give up his phone call allowances though. Mentioning that would seem like complaining which would upset the officers that grant him the occasional perk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 29 June 2015 Author Share Posted 29 June 2015 Greville Janner to be charged with sexually abusing children By Ciaranfagan | Posted: June 29, 2015 Lord Janner's family say he is innocent of any wrongdoing. VIEW GALLERY Greville Janner will face child sexual abuse allegations in court after the decision to not charge him because of his dementia was reversed, it was confirmed this morning. The Labour peer is now scheduled to appear in a magistrates' court in London in August to face 22 charges of offences against children. The allegations of indecent assault and buggery date back as far as 1963. Lord Janner's family has said the peer is entirely innocent of any wrongdoing. An independent QC who was asked to examine the decision by director of public prosecutions, (DPP),Alison Saunders in April to not charge the politician because of his dementia has today announced he believes the allegations should be tested in court. This follows a review of the case under the recently introduced Crown Prosecution Service, (CPS), Victims' Right to Review scheme, which allows victims to have their cases looked at again. Ms Saunders said today: "I have always said that in my view this was an extremely difficult and borderline case because of the strong arguments on both sides. "I have also always emphasised my concern for the complainants in this case. "I accept the outcome of the review and will now be bringing this prosecution to allow for that adjudication to happen." The case is first listed at Westminster Magistrates' Court on Friday, August. The allegations are to be tested in a criminal court in a relatively little-used legal procedure known as a 'trial of the facts'. The CPS said in a statement today: "The review concluded that it was in the public interest to bring proceedings before the court. "In reaching that conclusion, the review agreed that although there is sufficient evidence to prosecute, it is right to assume that Greville Janner will inevitably be found unfit to plead and therefore not fit to instruct his legal team and not fit to challenge or give evidence in a trial. "Therefore the most likely outcome of a "trial of the facts" would be an absolute discharge, which is neither punishment nor conviction." Ms Saunders added: "It is a matter of real regret that prosecutions weren't brought by the police and CPS in the past. "We have brought forward this decision as public speculation on this review has brought damaging and unacceptable uncertainty for the complainants in this case. "We have now done what we can to inform the complainants of the outcome of the review and I have offered to meet each of them should they wish." Specialist abuse lawyer Liz Dux, of Slater and Gordon, who represents many of Janner's alleged victims, said: "This is a vindication of our efforts to challenge the DPP's original decision not to charge Janner, which was clearly not in the interest of justice. "Our clients have waited long enough for their very serious allegations to be brought before a court. "They have felt deeply frustrated by the criminal justice system. However, this decision has given them more hope of finally establishing the truth. "It may be long overdue, but we will now look to a criminal court to examine the case and make a finding of fact. It is now absolutely vital that nothing is done that could prejudice a fair trial." In April, Ms Saunders announced the force's investigation had collected sufficient evidence to charge Lord Janner. However, Ms Saunders said legal action against him would not be in the public interest because his Alzheimer's disease meant he was not fit to stand trial. However, she also said Lord Janner should have been charged as a result of previous Leicestershire Police investigations. Senior Leicestershire Police officers revealed in April the force had launched an investigation – Operation Enamel – in 2013 and traced 25 people who allege they were sexually abused by Lord Janner as long ago as 1970. Read more: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Greville-Janner-charged-sexually-abusing-children/story-26797214-detail/story.html#ixzz3eRsBiLXD Follow us: @Leicester_Merc on Twitter | leicestermercury on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 29 June 2015 Share Posted 29 June 2015 If it was not for online petitions, blogs and social media this may not have happened so people power can make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkon84 Posted 29 June 2015 Share Posted 29 June 2015 If it was not for online petitions, blogs and social media this may not have happened so people power can make a difference. Really? There was me thinking it was this...... An independent QC who was asked to examine the decision by director of public prosecutions, (DPP),Alison Saunders in April to not charge the politician because of his dementia has today announced he believes the allegations should be tested in court. This follows a review of the case under the recently introduced Crown Prosecution Service, (CPS), Victims' Right to Review scheme, which allows victims to have their cases looked at again. Which was written in the article above. I could, of course be wrong, and it was, indeed, the power of bloggers and internet warriors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rincewind Posted 29 June 2015 Share Posted 29 June 2015 A bit of both then. There were petitions going about which were posted on twitter and Facebook I did say 'may not have'. Who was the QC asked by to look into the case? Cause enough noise and you will be heard. It may have been the victims that started the petition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkon84 Posted 29 June 2015 Share Posted 29 June 2015 A bit of both then. There were petitions going about which were posted on twitter and Facebook I did say 'may not have'. Who was the QC asked by to look into the case? Cause enough noise and you will be heard. It may have been the victims that started the petition. Due to the victims right to review scheme, I doubt they'd have needed to start a petition themselves, and merely just ask their representatives to invoke it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 7 July 2015 Share Posted 7 July 2015 Sick man... http://m.hindustantimes.com/hollywood/comedian-bill-cosby-says-he-drugged-woman-to-have-sex/article1-1366601.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxoffderby Posted 7 July 2015 Share Posted 7 July 2015 Wasen't that the drug of choice in the Wolf of Wall St? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny the fox Posted 7 July 2015 Share Posted 7 July 2015 Sick man... http://m.hindustantimes.com/hollywood/comedian-bill-cosby-says-he-drugged-woman-to-have-sex/article1-1366601.aspx When are they going to get this cant in court? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 7 July 2015 Share Posted 7 July 2015 I guess now that some information has come out it just makes it look as though all of those accusers are indeed right. I think in america there is a statute of limitations on being charged but the civil suits launched against him are going to run with this now. I dont remember all details of his alleged related crimes but i believe someone came out of the woods whereby its possible he could be charged. I could be wrong? Even if thats not the case id expect to see a large amount of cash being shelled out and a public falling out with cosby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatsHisName Posted 3 August 2015 Share Posted 3 August 2015 '' Police watchdog probe over Sir Edward Heath child abuse claims''http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-33755726 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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