HesNotGudjonsonn2 Posted 15 May 2014 Posted 15 May 2014 The back 5 that played in 07/08 wasn't disastrous. It was the 6 players that played in front of them that let us down. As individuals, the 4 defenders all went to bigger/better clubs eventually. Henderson was okay. EDIT: NOT Kisnorbo. He went to Leeds. I got what you meant mate and im sure everyone else did but this is FT, you weren't going to get away with a comment like that now were you.
glenny_fox Posted 15 May 2014 Posted 15 May 2014 The difference is; 07/08 (if memory serves me correctly) about 40 goals scored 13/14 83 goals scored
Fox92 Posted 15 May 2014 Posted 15 May 2014 Everything was bad that season, I mean, three managers in one season doesn't help. The back four itself wasn't too bad, though only McAuley has become an established player in the top flight. We didn't concede too many goals, it was scoring that was the problem. This season we've obviously had to two players that have scored a lot of goals for us, and other players have also chipped in, the midfield in particular... But shouldn't the comparison be 03/04 v 14/15 because it's the top flight?
bovril Posted 15 May 2014 Posted 15 May 2014 I think the pretty obvious conclusion you draw is that there's a hell of a lot more to defending than your goalkeeper and back five as players. Exactly. And there's a lot more for defenders to do than just defend, if you get my point. As Adam pointed out above, compare the full backs from these two seasons and what they contribute to the team.
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 15 May 2014 Posted 15 May 2014 We actually had the best defensive record that season
BoyJones Posted 15 May 2014 Posted 15 May 2014 Hume and Fryatt were rubbish. They were primarily responsible for sending us down. Didn't they miss chance after chance, one on ones, particularly the last 10 / 15 games that year. I know they always tried there hardest, but were just not up to it. (Heavens knows how Fryatt is playing in the Prem. Technically very good, but always thought his attitude could have been better. If he can do it, Vardy must have a chance next season) As an example look at Hume against Stoke towards the end of the game, easy chance missed.
Dan Posted 15 May 2014 Posted 15 May 2014 Exactly. And there's a lot more for defenders to do than just defend, if you get my point. As Adam pointed out above, compare the full backs from these two seasons and what they contribute to the team. Correct. It's never ever been that simple and the evidence has been there for all to see for years at any club. There are so many different variables in a game of football that you cannot pinpoint individual defenders for goals conceded records all the time. This team would absolutely walk over that team of 07/08, absolutely slaughter it. It'd be one of those games where Chris Wood is on by 50 minutes due to us being 3 up.
Fox Ulike Posted 15 May 2014 Posted 15 May 2014 Our main keeper that season wasn't Henderson he only played 14 games. Wasn't it Fulop? Nothing wrong with the players that season. Fulop was a decent keeper. The blame lies squarely with Mandaric and his inability to appoint a decent manager. HIring and then sacking Martin Allen showed poor judgement on both counts. Gary Megson was then clearly the wrong appointment. Holloway seemed to end up more interested in his own media image than LCFC - Mandaric, as his boss, should have reigned him in. That relegation was totally avoidable. You had one job, Mandaric! Six years on it still hurts.
Claridge Posted 15 May 2014 Posted 15 May 2014 Basically goals get you promoted and a good defence keeps you up.43 goals in the championship is quite poor for a team getting 102 points. I don't suppose there is a way of finding out how many goals other promoted teams conceded in the first year compared to their championship year,but its obvious if you can't defend in the prem your in trouble and our defence is nowhere near good enough
Manwell Pablo Posted 15 May 2014 Posted 15 May 2014 2007/08 Henderson Stearman McAuley Kisnorbo Joe Mattock 2013/14 Schmeichel De Laet Morgan Moore Konchesky The question: without looking at the league tables, what difference is there between the amount of goals conceded between the 07/08 relegation team and the championship winning team of 13/14? Very little I'd imagine given we had a fairly high points tally for a relegated team and hardly scored.
adam1 Posted 15 May 2014 Author Posted 15 May 2014 Yes Fulop was the main keeper but Henderson played quite a few games towards the end of the season (was there an issue with Fulops loan deal?). He was also in goal the previous season with the same defence. Someone mentioned penalties. Remember Sheff Wednesday at home? Sheff had a penalty (in front of Kop?) My mate said he couldn't watch. I turned around and said very casually "relax its hendo he will save it. Nothing to worry about". He saved it...
MattGamble92 Posted 15 May 2014 Posted 15 May 2014 Yes Fulop was the main keeper but Henderson played quite a few games towards the end of the season (was there an issue with Fulops loan deal?). He was also in goal the previous season with the same defence. Someone mentioned penalties. Remember Sheff Wednesday at home? Sheff had a penalty (in front of Kop?) My mate said he couldn't watch. I turned around and said very casually "relax its hendo he will save it. Nothing to worry about". He saved it... 1-0 up and he saved it if i remember right. Only we could go on and get done 3-1 after that. Still up there with the worst games of my life. Was the realisation we'd actually be playing 3rd division football for the first time. ****ing Hereford
itsaknockeart Posted 15 May 2014 Posted 15 May 2014 Basically goals get you promoted 1937/38 Man City team were relegated despite being top scorers in their division and having a positive goal difference.
Tom's Pasta Posted 15 May 2014 Posted 15 May 2014 1937/38 Man City team were relegated despite being top scorers in their division and having a positive goal difference. What a stat!
OzFox Posted 15 May 2014 Posted 15 May 2014 1937/38 Man City team were relegated despite being top scorers in their division and having a positive goal difference. Probably had a few 8-0 wins and lost the rest 1-0 First impressions on looking at our 07/08 defence is it looks quite strong. They were all good players on their day. As others have said, the problems were elsewhere on the pitch. Wasn't that the season we played Fryatt on the wing? Probably wouldn't have helped.
LanguedocFox Posted 16 May 2014 Posted 16 May 2014 07/08 conceded 45 (relegated) 13/14 conceded 43 (champions) Interesting. I thought we conceded fewer in 07-08 than we did last season. But if you look at those numbers, they are both good defensive records: as others have said, it was our sh!te strikers who let us down (and our tactically inept managers - all of them).
beemeroo Posted 16 May 2014 Posted 16 May 2014 1937/38 Man City team were relegated despite being top scorers in their division and having a positive goal difference. I believe they wouldn't have gone down if wins were worth 3 points in those days as well.
LanguedocFox Posted 16 May 2014 Posted 16 May 2014 1937/38 Man City team were relegated despite being top scorers in their division and having a positive goal difference. Probably had a few 8-0 wins and lost the rest 1-0 Not quite. They had several big wins - two 7-1s, a 6-1 and a 6-2 - and a number of fairly close defeats. And they beat us home (1-4)and away (0-3), though we still finished 16th. Another interesting stat is that Man City had been League Champions the season before, so something big must have happened. Like my anorak? I had it specially fitted.
Roy Posted 16 May 2014 Posted 16 May 2014 If I remember well, We were relegated despite having the 2nd best defance in 2007/8. Only Palace had concided less
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