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[MC Prussian]

I put facts up, you lead to calling me names because you're a weaker person. I'm not here to call you a name or insult you. I'm here to discuss football. So in future take your childish insults back to the playground please.

It's funny you say that, because the only one (or probably the only one) in this thread calling others names... that is you, Ash.

If by "facts" you mean a distorted view on history and reality, then yeah, they're facts. Your facts.

[Manwell Pablo]

Yep. I never debated that. And I never will. As for "football", that's an different topic (as seen in my responses to Ash).

To call the game played in Asia "football" is bending the truth to fit your argument, it was a game that shared extremely loose similarities with association football, and I'm pretty sure it had no influence on association football what so ever. It mas a mere coincidence that it was later discovered that a game loosely related to football was played there well after the sport became popular.

[Dan]

The sheer hypocrisy of everything Hugo Sanchez is coming out with makes me believe he's on the wind up. No-one can actually be that stupid.

[MC Prussian]

To call the game played in Asia "football" is bending the truth to fit your argument, it was a game that shared extremely loose similarities with association football, and I'm pretty sure it had no influence on association football what so ever. It mas a mere coincidence that it was later discovered that a game loosely related to football was played there well after the sport became popular.

I think in essence, I can't but reinstate that I concur that England introduced "association football" to the world, but that the habit of kicking a ball and playing "football" was prevalent all across the globe long before "association football" graced the globe.

Football as we know it today is an amalgamate of different sports and observations of rules made in many different places (not just England).

[Manwell Pablo]

I think in essence, I can't but reinstate that I concur that England introduced "association football" to the world, but that the habit of kicking a ball and playing "football" was prevalent all across the globe long before "association football" graced the globe.

Football as we know it today is an amalgamate of different sports and observations of rules made in many different places (not just England).

This could go on forever, alternaltey I'll just agree with that statement.

Who want's to break the fact that English is actually a Germanic language to Ash?

[Stadt]

Fair play, were England one of them though?

Ironic Ash that you accuse me of ignoring him yet you refuse to answer 75% of the points I've raised in this thread.

I've had a quick look but I don't think the national side toured there.

[SOCCERROO FOX]

Ok Lets do some studing folks.

From 1966 onwards.

1970 - lost to West German 3-2. England 2-0 up and easing into a semi final with Italy. Peter Bonetti has a mere, the best goalkeeper in the world goes down with the shits after drinking dodgy mexican beer. England with Banks would had more then likely reached the final against Brazil.

Verdict- could of won the world cup and extremely unlucky.

1982 - England ease through a group containing a very talented french side and into a group of 3 containing host Spain and West Germany. England missing two key players in Trevor Brooking and Kevin Keegan draw both with Finalists West Germany and a half fit Keegan misses a sitter against Spain.

Verdict - Unlucky and bad luck with injuries again ... could of easily reached the final

1986 - started of with a poor lose to Portugal and a draw and then Gary Lineker turned up and smashed England back into the world cup. After a 3-0 win the previous game, England came into the game fully expecting to win. Maradona then cheated England out of a semi final with Belgium. What England would had been expected to win. Meeting West Germany in the final.

Verdict - Cheated out of a world cup semi final, England with Lineker on fire could had easily won it.

1990 - Poor start with draws against ireland and Holland and Beating Egypt to scrape through. Then David Platt gave England hope against a good Belgium team and a hard fought win against a spirited Cameroon team led England to a semi final. England conceded a dodgy goal via paul parker and witj the score levels. England look the more likely when Waddle hit the post. Then a tragedy unfolded what would haunt English football.

Verdict - Deserve to be world champions, better team then West Germany and Argentina.

1998 - England should had topped the group but lost to a dodgy late dan petrescu romania goal. Deserved to beat Argentina and Beckham let himself and the team down. Hoddle had England playing good football and after euro 96, and a good draw in Italy, and also won the Tournoi de France in the summer of 1997 against 3 heavyweights in France, Italy and Brazil. Their was belief England could and should off went all the way. The Argentina game Owen burst into footballing history with a amazing solo effort and England look like the more likely untill Beckham moment of stupidity cost them, even though Campbell scored a perfectly good goal .. Out cruelly on penalties again.

Verdict - Beckham sending off cost England the world cup, plus Sol Campbell had a disallowed goal what should of stood.

2002 - England after the disastrous Keegan reign, came into this world cup full of hope after a famous 5-1 win against Germany. A tough group with a famous win over Argentina led into England destroying Denmark and into a quarter final with Brazil. England went ahead early and controlled the game untill Beckham backed out a challenge and brazil went in level. Nothing was really happening untill brazil scored the flukeist goal in world cup history. Brazil went down to ten and if that flukey goal wouldn't had went in. England would off probably won and definitely won the world cup with a crap Germany team, South Korea and Turkey left.

Verdict - The real world cup final was England vs Brazil, who ever won that was gonna win it. A flukey goal put england out. England could of easily won it.

2006 - The golden generation, favourites to win it. England had a amazing group of players at the world cup but missing their star player in Rooney. Yeah he was there but wasn't never fit. After destroying Euro 2004 everyone expected Rooney to finally bring football home. After a bad injured against chelsea, he was racing to get fit. England didn't play amazing but did enough to set up a quarter final clash with Portugal. England matched Portugal that day but Portugal player's wound Rooney up and his old pal Ronaldo got pushed and got him sent off. Even with ten man just like 98. England wouldn't be beating and went out in a cruel penalty shoot out.

Verdict - A fit Rooney and England could of definitely went all the way. There was no way Italy side were better then that set of English players

2010 - England arrived after great qualification success, a win in Germany set everything up nicely. Then the terry shagged Bridges ex mrs story came out and got stripped of the captaincy and handed to a weaker captain in Gerrard. England struggled through a easy group and were getting pasted by Germany. Then something magical happened, upson pulled a goal back and Lampard equalised putting England in charge and Germany in the back foot. Then something wrong happened, the goal wasn't given and now England were dejected. 2ND Half England piled forward and got caught on the counter attack.

Verdict - key players didn't perform and a bad results in the group left England looking down and out. Then when Lampard equalised, England had finally arrived and were in business. Who knows what would of ever happened but if England won that game 3-2. England would had been on a role going into a quarter final looking for revenge against Maradona.

2014 - England's worst world cup ever. Biggest mistake was the midfield pairing of Gerrard and Henderson. Nothing was being created in the final 3rd and England just didn't have enough with players like struidge and Sterling who had their moments but weren't good enough

Verdict - worst world cup ever and never fancied to do owt and why Woy should be sacked.

So by my logic, England have had no luck over the years and always gone into most world cups as fancied and a heavyweight.

In closing NEVER STOP ME DREAMIN

So if we add all these WC wins along with the 3 wins in the 30's by Ashs 'logic' and 66, England are 8 times World Champion

Ash Somes it up perfectly on the last line he never stops dreaming!

[Hugo Sanchez]

Nope, nope and nope on your last point, you do realise fifa can't change footballing rules without having to ask all the British f.a's ? Say Sepp Blatter and the rest of them morons wanted to change something in the rules, they couldn't without asking us because we are the rule makers. The rules were invented in these great shores not Switzerland.

Also you notice it's not the English football association, its the FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION. I'll let you work that one out yourself.

[Hugo Sanchez]

This could go on forever, alternaltey I'll just agree with that statement.

Who want's to break the fact that English is actually a Germanic language to Ash?

Manwell I'm not stupid regarding that fact, but you know what I meant. The people who came from whatever German tribe to England, we're the founded of the first English language but they're technically also the first real English people also.

But the English language was given to the world from the English people.

[MC Prussian]

Nope, nope and nope on your last point, you do realise fifa can't change footballing rules without having to ask all the British f.a's ? Say Sepp Blatter and the rest of them morons wanted to change something in the rules, they couldn't without asking us because we are the rule makers. The rules were invented in these great shores not Switzerland.

Also you notice it's not the English football association, its the FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION. I'll let you work that one out yourself.

If FIFA wanted to change the rules, they'd have to ask ALL football associations around the world, not just the British ones.

I don't agree with a lot the FIFA does or has done or plans to do in the world of football in terms of rules, chances, card introductions or World Cup host countries - but to call them "morons" is out of order. And again you prove to be the one swearing in this thread. The rest of us is just laughing at you, Ash.

I have no gripe with the rules as we know them today originating in England, I think it's great England gave the world such a great sports gift.

However, this fact hasn't helped the English national squad in the past 48 years, has it?

And I have no clue why you think repeating the FA's name will assist you in your sorry quest for spreading your personal truth about football.

[Manwell Pablo]

Manwell I'm not stupid regarding that fact, but you know what I meant. The people who came from whatever German tribe to England, we're the founded of the first English language but they're technically also the first real English people also.

But the English language was given to the world from the English people.

That's funny.

Anglo-Saxon Ash.

[Hugo Sanchez]

Nope your wrong if you actually did some research your'll realised the point I made is correct and it's fifa and the four British football associations who have that vote my friend.

Fifa is corrupt and the fact it's in the most corrupt country in Europe says alot really. If you think Fifa are nice guys who care about the game, then your more of a idiot then Manwell.

[Hugo Sanchez]

That's funny.

Anglo-Saxon Ash.

This is the football history thread now manwell, not the British History thread. Feel free to create one and we shall dicuss it in there.

[Manwell Pablo]

This is the football history thread now manwell, not the British History thread. Feel free to create one and we shall dicuss it in there.

Odd your saying that to me given you bought the subject up.

Also Odd that this isn't the football history thread at all it's one about the rising popularity of football in the states and you've completely derailed it.

[SOCCERROO FOX]

Who want's to break the fact that English is actually a Germanic language to Ash?

You can try but you are talking to a guy with an IQ of an eggplant.

Let's recap:This is a guy who states he doesn't care about the WC and neither do the players. Europeans and South Americans are the only ones who can have passion for the sport. English football is the best In the world, so are the players, the atmosphere and because they have the passion. He only watches Leicester but is qualified to comment on other leagues, but then wanks over Arsenal players. Claims England should have around 8 WC and are a powerhouse of world football. I could go on but you get my point.

Ash do you genuinely believe all the crap you spout in this thread even tho half the time it just contradicts you? I would love to meet you one day to find out if you are one of those guys that genuinely believe they are intelligent and everything they say is factual. Also so you could meet an Australian for the first time so you can see if we have 'passion' for the game.

[Hugo Sanchez]

I think this thread is quite interesting, hence why I've been so active in it. It's been a good discussion going on in here but facts are what I'm bringing to the table and MC is basically Jesse ventura with his crazy theories.

[SOCCERROO FOX]

I think this thread is quite interesting, hence why I've been so active in it. It's been a good discussion going on in here but facts are what I'm bringing to the table and MC is basically Jesse ventura with his crazy theories.

Yes everything you have written in this thread is fact

[Manwell Pablo]

I think this thread is quite interesting, hence why I've been so active in it. It's been a good discussion going on in here but facts are what I'm bringing to the table and MC is basically Jesse ventura with his crazy theories.

And tbh with the theories you've been bringing to the table your basically Ace Ventura.

[MC Prussian]

I think this thread is quite interesting, hence why I've been so active in it. It's been a good discussion going on in here but facts are what I'm bringing to the table and MC is basically Jesse ventura with his crazy theories.

I'm looking at my posts and then I'm looking at yours and I'm pretty sure which ones are more credible.

I'd like to thank you, Ash:

a) For your continuous support of your interesting theories

b) For taking this thread in the history lesson direction it is going yourself and for then complaining about it

Can you back up your "facts", Ash?

[Hugo Sanchez]

I know more about football then you, proven by stating the facts I bring. I know my history and respect it. Not my fault England are hated around the world by every nation who wishes they were England.

[MC Prussian]

I know more about football then you, proven by stating the facts I bring. I know my history and respect it. Not my fault England are hated around the world by every nation who wishes they were England.

Why would any other nation be like England, who have won sod all in close to 50 years?

And you state it yourself: All you know is "your history". As for actual history, that's an entirely different case.

You should've paid more attention in class, Ash.

Edited 11 July 2014 by MC Prussian

[SOCCERROO FOX]

I know more about football then you, proven by stating the facts I bring. I know my history and respect it. Not my fault England are hated around the world by every nation who wishes they were England.

There is that word again facts

[MC Prussian]

There is that word again facts

I'm surprised he's actually able to spell it.

Anglo-Saxon Ash.

[Hugo Sanchez]

And soccerroo I have met Australian people before and shock horror they didn't like soccer they liked rugby (another english sport, you're welcome) I use to play five aside with a Australian ( technically he was from New Zealand) and he didn't like football. He just played to keep fit ! This isn't a wind up either but I find Aussies the most racist nation in the world. That include social media and in person. They think all Indians are Muslims and were telling me how they hated south east Asian immigrant's coming in their country.

[MC Prussian]

And soccerroo I have met Australian people before and shock horror they didn't like soccer they liked rugby (another english sport, you're welcome) I use to play five aside with a Australian ( technically he was from New Zealand) and he didn't like football. He just played to keep fit ! This isn't a wind up either but I find Aussies the most racist nation in the world. That include social media and in person. They think all Indians are Muslims and were telling me how they hated south east Asian immigrant's coming in their country.

Since when is one Australian representative of the passion and joy many Australians feel when participating at A-League matches?

Shock horror - but you'll also find English people who are not into football, just as much as there are racists in every city in every country.

I'm surprised to find that you're able to top your regular tosh with even worse tosh.

Have you ever been to Australia? Have you experienced it yourself?

Or aren't you simply basing your "facts" on your prejudices?

Nothing beats generalizations, eh?

Edited 11 July 2014 by MC Prussian