Captain... Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 The Greens aren't being pillored because it's a single policy, they are being pillored because of how dangerous it is. They actually wanted to legalise membership of ISIS. Just actually think about that. Nothing Ukip has ever done comes close to being as vile as that. Was that the point of that policy? I assumed it was aimed at protecting people who may have joined environmental activist groups and suffered as a consequence and that the government were using anti-terror laws to persecute. Did she just not consider that this would legalise terrorism or just not care?
Guest MattP Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 Was that the point of that policy? I assumed it was aimed at protecting people who may have joined environmental activist groups and suffered as a consequence and that the government were using anti-terror laws to persecute. Did she just not consider that this would legalise terrorism or just not care? She actually defended it then when pushed about Al Queda/ISIS etc tried to claim it was part of Green policy from the ANC/Nelson Mandela days (which has since been proven to be total bullshit as it was in the first manifesto in 1999). The whole situation actually made me think about an old workmate, he used to vote BNP or Green and was also a massive enviromentalist, Greenpeace man and I'm sure he'll be on the frontlines of the fracking protests now. Why has a party whose primary concern to protect the enviroment also decided to adopt such a far-left position on virtually every other social and fiscal matter? Has the party just been hijacked by old communists seeing a route to power or do these views represent the wider Green movement? If you are generally a Conservative but feel so passionately about Green issues who could you vote for?
leicsmac Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 She actually defended it then when pushed about Al Queda/ISIS etc tried to claim it was part of Green policy from the ANC/Nelson Mandela days (which has since been proven to be total bullshit as it was in the first manifesto in 1999). The whole situation actually made me think about an old workmate, he used to vote BNP or Green and was also a massive enviromentalist, Greenpeace man and I'm sure he'll be on the frontlines of the fracking protests now. Why has a party whose primary concern to protect the enviroment also decided to adopt such a far-left position on virtually every other social and fiscal matter? Has the party just been hijacked by old communists seeing a route to power or do these views represent the wider Green movement? If you are generally a Conservative but feel so passionately about Green issues who could you vote for? I think there is a big niche for a pro-science and pro-environment party as well. Right now, there only seems to be a choice between allowing pursuit of money and profit to result in environmental trouble down the line, or those advocating a complete Luddite revolution. It should be possible to push breaking the reliance on hydrocarbons, going for renewable energy and nuclear fusion as a source and be in favour of other scientific development at the same time.
Darkon84 Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 He's am elected respresentative so I have no problem with him being invited to Question Time. I'm astonished how he's managed to get away without being prosecuted though for some of things he's been caught saying on camera, the recent Bradford is a Jew free zone surely wouldn't have been tolerated had it been a BNP politician talking about Muslims. I can't help but like him though, he's brilliant to listen to in the same way the Salmond's, Farage's, Murray's and Starkey's from all sides of the political spectrum are are brilliant to listen to, you also get the feeling they are actually telling you what they think unlike 95% of others. Fair enough on the elected representative point. He's a decent enough orator and some of the (probably honest, as you say) crazy stuff that leaves his mouth can make him a little interesting, but I just can't like the guy. There's something not quite right about him haha.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 He's am elected respresentative so I have no problem with him being invited to Question Time. I'm astonished how he's managed to get away without being prosecuted though for some of things he's been caught saying on camera, the recent Bradford is a Jew free zone surely wouldn't have been tolerated had it been a BNP politician talking about Muslims. I can't help but like him though, he's brilliant to listen to in the same way the Salmond's, Farage's, Murray's and Starkey's from all sides of the political spectrum are are brilliant to listen to, you also get the feeling they are actually telling you what they think unlike 95% of others. He didn't get prosecuted because he didn't say it. He said Bradford was an Israel free zone and also distinguished the difference between the jewish population as a whole and Israel. It's hardly a surprise that there is an anti Israeli feeling in Bradford
Guest MattP Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 He didn't get prosecuted because he didn't say it. He said Bradford was an Israel free zone and also distinguished the difference between the jewish population as a whole and Israel. It's hardly a surprise that there is an anti Israeli feeling in Bradford That makes sense, should never believe anything the press tells you a MP has said in this day and age. My bad. Update on odds for the election. http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/overall-majority Labour now out to a staggering 12/1 for an overall majority , they were 2/5 just 18 months ago. Tories are 5/1 for a majority and NOM now a best price of 1/5 so it all looks sewn up.
ADK Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 She actually defended it then when pushed about Al Queda/ISIS etc tried to claim it was part of Green policy from the ANC/Nelson Mandela days (which has since been proven to be total bullshit as it was in the first manifesto in 1999). The whole situation actually made me think about an old workmate, he used to vote BNP or Green and was also a massive enviromentalist, Greenpeace man and I'm sure he'll be on the frontlines of the fracking protests now. Why has a party whose primary concern to protect the enviroment also decided to adopt such a far-left position on virtually every other social and fiscal matter? Has the party just been hijacked by old communists seeing a route to power or do these views represent the wider Green movement? If you are generally a Conservative but feel so passionately about Green issues who could you vote for? I'm not far away from that political position. Good question. I've voted for UKIP, Lib Dems, Labour and Tories (and independents) in different elections and did go to a few young greens meetings. I don't know if the Green party was always so blatantly hard left but I do think a lot of people associated with them have a confrontational anarchist streak. I think they make a better pressure group than actual politicians.
Guest MattP Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 Tristram Hunt might just be the biggest cnut in the Labour party, which is some fcuking honour. He's typical of everything about the party these days, a middle class privately educated snob who never answers a question, throws snidey remarks at everyone else and can never apologise when he is wrong.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 Tristram Hunt might just be the biggest cnut in the Labour party, which is some fcuking honour. He's typical of everything about the party these days, a middle class privately educated snob who never answers a question, throws snidey remarks at everyone else and can never apologise when he is wrong. I kinda feel sorry for him for being so hopeless
Rincewind Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 Don't most politicians have a way of avoiding answering questions?
reynard Posted 5 February 2015 Posted 5 February 2015 That makes sense, should never believe anything the press tells you a MP has said in this day and age. My bad. Update on odds for the election. http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/overall-majority Labour now out to a staggering 12/1 for an overall majority , they were 2/5 just 18 months ago. Tories are 5/1 for a majority and NOM now a best price of 1/5 so it all looks sewn up. Amazing odds and well worth a bet. The elctoral system is stacked well in their favour and the election will surely be decided by Ukip voters. If enough tories back Ukip in the marginal seats this will allow in Labour. In the Labour heartlands you could put up a three legged goat with a red rosette and it would walk home with the seat. The only problem for Labour might be the loss of seats in Scotland to the SNP. If no overall majority we could actually see the SNP holding the balance of power. Now that's a scary thought.
Guest MattP Posted 6 February 2015 Posted 6 February 2015 Amazing odds and well worth a bet. The elctoral system is stacked well in their favour and the election will surely be decided by Ukip voters. If enough tories back Ukip in the marginal seats this will allow in Labour. In the Labour heartlands you could put up a three legged goat with a red rosette and it would walk home with the seat. The only problem for Labour might be the loss of seats in Scotland to the SNP. If no overall majority we could actually see the SNP holding the balance of power. Now that's a scary thought. I don't think they'll get it, but 12/1 is big I agree.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 That makes sense, should never believe anything the press tells you a MP has said in this day and age. My bad. Update on odds for the election. http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/overall-majority Labour now out to a staggering 12/1 for an overall majority , they were 2/5 just 18 months ago. Tories are 5/1 for a majority and NOM now a best price of 1/5 so it all looks sewn up. It's interesting actually that despite the boundaries being favourable to Labour, the Conservatives are steady favourites to win the most seats and for DC to be favourite for PM despite the fact that the Conservatives probably need a collapse for Labour in Scotland to give them the most seats(as it stands). But if there's a collapse for Labour in Scotland then the SNP will become Kingmaker and Milliband will then be PM
Guest MattP Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 It's interesting actually that despite the boundaries being favourable to Labour, the Conservatives are steady favourites to win the most seats and for DC to be favourite for PM despite the fact that the Conservatives probably need a collapse for Labour in Scotland to give them the most seats(as it stands). But if there's a collapse for Labour in Scotland then the SNP will become Kingmaker and Milliband will then be PM Generally the ruling party gets a coupld of % 'bounce' from the polls on the actual day so they are always wary of that. Odds probably reflect now that Labour ratings are sliding and it's looking impossible to see any sort of rise now before May, it's literally that hardcore 31-32% that always vote for them that appear to be the only ones voting for them. Ed Balls (Bill Somebody) is back on the scene now as well so that's not going to help. According to PMQ's last week the Chuckle Brothers have lodged a complaint to the Consevratives about being compared to Ed Balls and Ed Miliband by David Cameron. (true story) They don't like it. Best political story I've heard yet.
Guest MattP Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 As for the SNP. Miliband might do it, but what a monumental risk to all your English support to team up with Scottish Nationalists for five years worth of power? They could do to themselves what the Lib Dems have done but even worse. I'd be interested to see what the Labour supporters think of it, would you take the risk of jumping into bed with Salmond and Sturgeon?
Benji Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 As for the SNP. Miliband might do it, but what a monumental risk to all your English support to team up with Scottish Nationalists for five years worth of power? They could do to themselves what the Lib Dems have done but even worse. I'd be interested to see what the Labour supporters think of it, would you take the risk of jumping into bed with Salmond and Sturgeon? I suspect almost definitely. Be gone nasty Tories woOoOoh. On the plus side uncertainty with the election and stupid coalitions means nervous capital markets means quite summer at work. Let's hope for a hot one.
Guest MattP Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 I suspect almost definitely. Be gone nasty Tories woOoOoh. On the plus side uncertainty with the election and stupid coalitions means nervous capital markets means quite summer at work. Let's hope for a hot one. But I'm sure the smarter ones would also realise - 5 years of Miliband in a government that will simply have to cut and cut hard possibly = Another 20 years of 'nasty Tories' from 2020. (or possibly earlier) I think we'll finally see Private Sector strikes if Labour get in this time, let's see how they react to that.
Benji Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 But I'm sure the smarter ones would also realise - 5 years of Miliband in a government that will simply have to cut and cut hard possibly = Another 20 years of 'nasty Tories' from 2020. (or possibly earlier) I think we'll finally see Private Sector strikes if Labour get in this time, let's see how they react to that. O ye of much faith in Joe Bloggs. I wonder if there will be the same level of outcry for "we didn't vote for this coaliation" if Lab/SNP do a deal? Which, incidentally, is a retarded phrase banded about this past five years when it was so widely publicised pre-election that if people voted as they did for the LibDems and other rising minorities there would be a coalition and guess what, Tories/Labour aren't going to work together.
Webbo Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 O ye of much faith in Joe Bloggs. I wonder if there will be the same level of outcry for "we didn't vote for this coaliation" if Lab/SNP do a deal? Which, incidentally, is a retarded phrase banded about this past five years when it was so widely publicised pre-election that if people voted as they did for the LibDems and other rising minorities there would be a coalition and guess what, Tories/Labour aren't going to work together. The difference it's impossible for anyone in england to vote for the SNP. They are a party that promote the interests of Scotland above that of England. We could have a party in govt that are working against the interest of the majority. they can impose policies on us that their supporters don't have to suffer themselves.
Guest MattP Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 O ye of much faith in Joe Bloggs. I wonder if there will be the same level of outcry for "we didn't vote for this coaliation" if Lab/SNP do a deal? Which, incidentally, is a retarded phrase banded about this past five years when it was so widely publicised pre-election that if people voted as they did for the LibDems and other rising minorities there would be a coalition and guess what, Tories/Labour aren't going to work together. Course not; We'll be subjected to the sickening site of a gloating Jock pretty much smiling at the English telling them she's about to fcuk them over with Beaker sort of sat there looking awkward saying things that Sturgeon won't let him do. The BBC might not be as keen though as usual given the SNP's attitude towards them, I thought their recent coverage which has aired towards the centre was due to the license fee being up for review but maybe they are thinking ahead a bit more than I'm giving them credit for. It would be so wrong to have a party in coalition that only 5million people out of 60 can vote for and if it happens every single non Labour/SNP voting person in the country should be screaming to the rooftops about it.
Jon the Hat Posted 10 February 2015 Author Posted 10 February 2015 If we have a Labour/SNP coalition government I am seriously leaving the country because it will be heading to shit. I wont be the only one either - I have no interest in paying more tax, especially to those idiots. Fingers crossed people wake up to the prospect in time and we continue as we are.
Benji Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 The difference it's impossible for anyone in england to vote for the SNP. They are a party that promote the interests of Scotland above that of England. We could have a party in govt that are working against the interest of the majority. they can impose policies on us that their supporters don't have to suffer themselves. Although it gets no sympathy from me, I guess their response would be it's no different to the Tories having a say over Scotland (when you look at how few seats they have).
Webbo Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Although it gets no sympathy from me, I guess their response would be it's no different to the Tories having a say over Scotland (when you look at how few seats they have). Scotland has it's own parliament.
Benji Posted 10 February 2015 Posted 10 February 2015 Scotland has it's own parliament. Which is about as powerful as a plastic lightsaber.
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