ramboacdc Posted 25 March 2015 Posted 25 March 2015 310 is a push for Labour or the Tories IMO. Do agree regarding the SNP though - honestly can't see there being a coalition there, Miliband knows it would be political suicide, better to take his chances six months later. The only possible coalition deal is the one you're sticking money on...anything bigger, involving more parties (even as a C/S agreement) wouldn't last six months. all i can honestly see from this election is hung parliament and a deal to keep the conservatives and lib dems in. if that doesn't happen and labour do snag the most seats then i can see a 2 election year. the negotiations wont be as fast as last time either and our economy will hurt for it.
Guest Bilo Posted 25 March 2015 Posted 25 March 2015 It doesn't warrant a new topic, but I have written the first post of a new blog on the UKIP candidate here on the East Coast. https://politicalramblingsinaseasidetown.wordpress.com/2015/03/21/hello-world/
Guest MattP Posted 25 March 2015 Posted 25 March 2015 It doesn't warrant a new topic, but I have written the first post of a new blog on the UKIP candidate here on the East Coast. https://politicalramblingsinaseasidetown.wordpress.com/2015/03/21/hello-world/ That would be very young to enter the House of Commons. What's it like living in a 2 way marginal? I think if I lived in a Labour - Liberal one for this election I'd actually have to vote Liberal given the circumstances of the possible coalitions.
Guest Bilo Posted 25 March 2015 Posted 25 March 2015 That would be very young to enter the House of Commons. What's it like living in a 2 way marginal? I think if I lived in a Labour - Liberal one for this election I'd actually have to vote Liberal given the circumstances of the possible coalitions. We're seeing quite a lot of election leafleting but it's pretty clear to see, from my point of view, that the Tories have either written off UKIP or UKIP are going all out to win this seat as it certainly looks as though UKIP are more determined to win the seat than the Tories. We've been bombarded with RHC's election campaign here (I attended the Radio 4 Any Questions event and he was there with Mark Reckless for example) but, until I researched ahead of the election, I could have walked past Matt Warman in the street and been none the wiser. UKIP's campaign has been quite assertive if not aggressive whereas the Tories almost seem to presume they're going to win. There have been reports that the seat is not a priority to Tory HQ, and that could certainly be borne out by what I've seen so far. Anyway, here's a quick video from those lovely people at Channel 4. NB: We're not all nuts up here.
Voll Blau Posted 25 March 2015 Posted 25 March 2015 and yet the AV vote was shot down in flames! the boundary changes the tories tried to bring in was a joke. that was the time i realized they were trying to seize power in a majority. If they did this the country would be absolutely screwed in my eyes. The liberals have done well to keep them in check in my eyes. The AV vote was shot down in flames because AV is bollocks. Doesn't produce a true majority given it's generally decided by who voters would rather have in office than their least favourite candidate if the bloke they like best doesn't win, and it doesn't give the PR the Lib Dems campaigned for and then backed down on when the Tories offered them a referendum on that pile of wank as a compromise.
BlueSi13 Posted 25 March 2015 Posted 25 March 2015 Some great heckling today - I can't believe people want to see the end of this, schoolyard yes but bloody amusing. We've got Labour MP's shouting 'Dustbins' at Caroline Lucas and Tories shouting 'SNP Gain' whenever a Scottish Labour MP's name is called. Amazing atmosphere! Once again couldn't help but feel sorry for Miliband. Cameron has completely blown him away at PMQs the past five years. Saying that, it felt weird feeling sorry for a man that is most likely going to 'win' the coming election by being carried into Downing Street by Alex Salmond and his band of separatists, who will immediately look to plant C4 charges on the very foundations of the 'United' Kingdom. It will also be very interesting to see the Conservative reaction to the SNP blocking a minority Conservative government. Will they switch rhetoric and start advocating the Scots leave the United Kingdom? Will the Labour vote be destroyed in England due to the destructive policies of the SNP? It's going to be very very messy whatever the outcome. It does almost make you wonder if the UK really has run its course.
ramboacdc Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 tonight i think the pendulum is going to swing millibands way. paxman will rile cameron on asking why he is here and why he wouldn't debate him i think.
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Once again couldn't help but feel sorry for Miliband. Cameron has completely blown him away at PMQs the past five years. Saying that, it felt weird feeling sorry for a man that is most likely going to 'win' the coming election by being carried into Downing Street by Alex Salmond and his band of separatists, who will immediately look to plant C4 charges on the very foundations of the 'United' Kingdom. It will also be very interesting to see the Conservative reaction to the SNP blocking a minority Conservative government. Will they switch rhetoric and start advocating the Scots leave the United Kingdom? Will the Labour vote be destroyed in England due to the destructive policies of the SNP? It's going to be very very messy whatever the outcome. It does almost make you wonder if the UK really has run its course. I think it will be interesting to see the countries reaction to it, people aren't just going to sit back and watch an arrogant Scotsman pinching their pockets just to keep out a Tory government, if they do they'll deserve what they get. The Labour vote would surely capitulate short term and I'd put my house on a Tory majority in the next eelction afterwards, I agree though, maybe it has lasted it's course now. If this 45% (which come polling day will probably represent about 2million Scots) are going to dig the heels in and hold the rest of the UK to ransom then it's time to let them go. (After we've had some serious fun with a Tory majority though of course) tonight i think the pendulum is going to swing millibands way. paxman will rile cameron on asking why he is here and why he wouldn't debate him i think. I can't see any debate where anything will swing his way, he's a hopeless debater and get's put in place every week at PMQ's. Now his VAT line has been shot to flames he'll need to have a while new script for tonight prepared in just over a day.
Vacamion Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 I know Labour lost a lot of favour in Scotland due to the referendum to the SNP but is it certain that the old voters won't go back to them to keep the Tories out and won't lose as many seats as expected? The 56/44 split at the referendum remains. The wish for independence up here remains a minority view. The problem for Labour in Scotland is that all 44% of the electorate will vote SNP. The SNP are well organised, they now have 100,000 members (ie funds to fight with) and quasi-religious motivation (ie they won't listen to any arguments about the economy or oil). The majority 56% is split between the UK parties. Unless people vote tactically (ie. they support the Tories but vote for Labour or LibDems) the SNP will sweep the board with their 44%. This will give the false impression that the Scots favour independence, but in reality it will just be a product of our electoral system. As an aside the demonisation of the SNP by English politicians is only playing into the SNP's hands ("They said we were an important part of the Union but they won't accept a party we have democratically elected"). The cynic in me thinks that some English Tories are quite happy for the SNP to prosper at Labour's expense, but we are heading for (unwanted up here) separation, the way things are going, because I expect an English backlash against any influence the SNP has after the election. [edit to make mathematical sense]
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Would a billboard with Salmond dressed up as Jihadi John (Kilted and with a Tam O' Shanter of course) with a knife to Miliband's neck in an orange jumpsuit be taking it too far? Is that getting past the electoral commission?
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 What about independence but we annex Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale? In return you can annex Liverpool.
Vacamion Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 What about independence but we annex Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale? In return you can annex Liverpool. Who is "you"? I'm proudly English and British and a Unionist. I think that the only way to combat the SNP is "go the full Ulster" and set up a Scottish Unionist Party. That would be awful.
ramboacdc Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 I can't see any debate where anything will swing his way, he's a hopeless debater and get's put in place every week at PMQ's. Now his VAT line has been shot to flames he'll need to have a while new script for tonight prepared in just over a day. i see your point. but there has to be a reason cameron wont debate him head on. Cameron holds the cards here with tonights set up granted and it is an uphill struggle for milliband granted but Milliband is going last and can feed off what cameron has said and rebute. the fact all the news channels keep saying "the prime minister refused to debate him" cannot be sitting very well in the blue camp either.
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 We're seeing quite a lot of election leafleting but it's pretty clear to see, from my point of view, that the Tories have either written off UKIP or UKIP are going all out to win this seat as it certainly looks as though UKIP are more determined to win the seat than the Tories. We've been bombarded with RHC's election campaign here (I attended the Radio 4 Any Questions event and he was there with Mark Reckless for example) but, until I researched ahead of the election, I could have walked past Matt Warman in the street and been none the wiser. UKIP's campaign has been quite assertive if not aggressive whereas the Tories almost seem to presume they're going to win. There have been reports that the seat is not a priority to Tory HQ, and that could certainly be borne out by what I've seen so far. Anyway, here's a quick video from those lovely people at Channel 4. NB: We're not all nuts up here. It's certainly not going to be high on the Tory list of priorities, they obviously don't want too, but they can afford to lose seats to UKIP as they won't stop them from getting into government, losing seats to Labour or the one to the SNP will do. Will you be voting in the mindset of it being a Tory v UKIP contest or will you be voting for who you want regardless? Who is "you"? I'm proudly English and British and a Unionist. I think that the only way to combat the SNP is "go the full Ulster" and set up a Scottish Unionist Party. That would be awful. It was a tongue in cheek post, not a serious suggestion. I do feel for you though, I have no idea how divided it is up there at the minute but it's clearly going to get signifcently worse in the near future. i see your point. but there has to be a reason cameron wont debate him head on. Cameron holds the cards here with tonights set up granted and it is an uphill struggle for milliband granted but Milliband is going last and can feed off what cameron has said and rebute. the fact all the news channels keep saying "the prime minister refused to debate him" cannot be sitting very well in the blue camp either. Cameron doesn't want to debate him one on one because he has everything to lose and nothing to gain, Ed has lost all the support he can, he's gone from having a 10-12 pt lead in the polls to being neck and neck, he can only lose more really to either UKIP or the Greens so Cameron is delighted to go onto a stage with those people with him. I don't think anyone out there in the blue camp would consider switching as Cameron wouldn't debate.
Voll Blau Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Cat in hell's chance of me being duped into voting for them again, but I really like this poster. Very clever.
Strokes Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Cat in hell's chance of me being duped into voting for them again, but I really like this poster. Very clever. I think history will judge them well over their coalition, they forsaken alot for the good of the country Imo. Some will say they did it for a shot at power thought I guess.
Voll Blau Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 I think history will judge them well over their coalition, they forsaken alot for the good of the country Imo. Some will say they did it for a shot at power thought I guess. Had a debate today over whether there'll be enough voters who dislike Labour or Tories enough to keep voting for them and give them a chance of forming another coalition. I personally don't think it'll come down to that and it'll be the Lib Dems who are well regarded as good constituency MPs who will save their seats. Your more high profile LDs like Clegg are more in danger I think, aside from the ones in very close marginals.
Stadt Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 This is a bit painful with the zero hour contract question, obviously Cameron isn't going to want to say he would be able to live on a zero hour contract but a zero hour contract is better than no job at all and a figure of in 50 isn't bad at all.
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Paxman has Cameron on the back foot bigtime here.
sphericalfox Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Paxman has Cameron on the back foot bigtime here. Milliband has got to be loggin it in the green room.
Stadt Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Paxman has Cameron on the back foot bigtime here. Does Paxman try and make it as difficult as possible for every politician?
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Milliband has got to be loggin it in the green room. I bet. Paxman again showing he's the best out there and Cameron showing exactly why leader's don't want to do this. Does Paxman try and make it as difficult as possible for every politician? Absolutely.
Strokes Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Paxman has Cameron on the back foot bigtime here.I think he is doing pretty well, he was squirming over Libya but apart from that a decent performance.
Guest Bilo Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Paxman has Cameron on the back foot bigtime here. Apart from Blair in the very early days of Cameron's leadership, I don't think I've ever seen anyone give him such a hard time in a debate. A huge opportunity for Miliband to impress.
Guest MattP Posted 26 March 2015 Posted 26 March 2015 Certainly pulled it back a bit towards the end. No politician has ever been able to say they had a good interview with Paxman though
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