cityfanlee23 Posted 22 March 2015 Posted 22 March 2015 Do you suffer with memory problems? You claimed as 'fact' that the Belgrano was sunk after we'd had 6 ships sunk. No wonder you don't want to get into it again... And I'll ask you again, since you ignored it last time: What part of 'any of them' don't you understand? (the clue is in italics since you need the help). No i explained the context of my Fact was in hindsight to about 3 different people, you seem to have ignored that. Not once did I state that our ships were sunk BEFORE the belgrano. I stated that we have almost 1,000 injured and lots of deaths, and stated that it was right to sink a ship moving the wrong way from where it should. Any of them being any Tories. Which was the party represented in question. Funny how my words were mistaken by others with regard to the Belgrano, now you're claiming i'm mistaken in yours. Works both ways.
cityfanlee23 Posted 22 March 2015 Posted 22 March 2015 IT HAS BEEN RELEASED WHICH IS WHY HE HAS BEEN SUSPENDED AS THE TORY PARTY CANDIDATE FOR DUDLEY NORTH WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT Again, back to the Adam Johnson debate, He was suspended due to INVESTIGATION, He played yesterday. As I have already said, With regard to Afzal I retracted my statement and apologised to Buce on that matter, but the point stands on political scandals.
Guest Bilo Posted 22 March 2015 Posted 22 March 2015 Again, back to the Adam Johnson debate, He was suspended due to INVESTIGATION, He played yesterday. As I have already said, With regard to Afzal I retracted my statement and apologised to Buce on that matter, but the point stands on political scandals. For the love of God. I'm struggling to work out whether you are unbelievably blinkered or stupid. Adam Johnson was not caught shagging a 15 year old girl on camera with her photo ID gaffer taped to her forehead. What's happened in this instance is the political equivalent. If you STILL doubt the bloke's guilt, please find attached a transcript of the conversation sourced from that well-known New Labour fanzine, the Daily Mail. This is my fantasy. My idea is this – I’ve discussed it with Tommy and lots of other people – if I could demonstrate to the people in Dudley that I can be a positive voice for community cohesion, for campaigning against the evils and the terrorism and the child grooming and all the rest of it, then that would help me a lot in the forthcoming Election. One way of doing that is, if you were to announce a second march about the mosque, and then we have two meetings with the chief of police, members of the Muslim community, we all play our roles. You say, ‘Yeah, we’re going to do a march, we’re campaigning and so on.’ We have a second meeting where things are a bit calmer. Then at the third one, we have a press conference where you say ‘We were going to do a march… the chief police asked Afzal Amin, members of the Muslim community, we’ve sat together and... we’re going to work closely together.’ That will... bring the English Defence League out of the shadows into the mainstream political debate. …And if I win my election in Parliament, you’ve got a very strong, unshakeable ally who is going to work hard to get you involved in all the institutions of the State and get you the exposure you need and the people in Parliament need to us... Like I said from the very beginning, 95 per cent of what you want to campaign against, we’re with you. So if we can work together in the next six or seven weeks, there are a couple of people from Dudley, if we give them a small salary, they can work with us. …If we can work together, get a couple of people from within Dudley who can help us campaign… listen to the media or listen to the ideas that we’ve got between us, it will help a lot to win that vote over and make us a solid, strong constituency. Two people to work with us … more or less full time, five or six days a week, whatever they can manage and help us target within certain areas where we know EDL [have support]… …because I would love to arrive in Parliament and say, I won this seat because [of] you 3,000 white working class English voters that have never voted before. …if you manage to pull this off and I arrive in Parliament with the 3,000, 4,000 voters, I’d say to David Cameron, I’ve won this seat because we’ve reached out with our network to these people and… their views are [that] they don’t want to see mega mosques in Dudley. If you could announce it [the march] for May 2, which is the last Saturday before the Election, maybe they’ll get really upset and worked up and then about two weeks before that we do a press conference and we say we’re not doing... well, YOU say you’re not doing the demonstration. Everyone is very, very happy. EDL have become reasonable… Afzal Amin to deliver the resolution. Tommy Robinson: I like that....You know you said that you can pay two lads on the ground, how much will you pay them? AA: Yeah, the easiest thing is this, you pay them cash and you… You handle them… What they need to do is come and volunteer on our campaign. We’ll look after them… They’ll be canvassing and working within the areas where we think that they will… So just work closely with us. Three, four days a week. Come and do a talk a week… TR: Yeah, yeah. What will I talk about? AA: Say look, here’s the solution for you. In your area, here’s the guy. If he gets to Parliament he’s going to work with all of us. TR: Who’s going to set up the meeting and where? AA: We’ll do all that. TR: So that’s not going to be booked under the Conservative name then? AA: We’ll see about that. I’ve have to see the chairman tomorrow and we’ll see what we think’s the best way of doing that. So even if it’s called a community group or whatever. ...We’ve got a couple of weeks of planning… SE: So the EDL benefits from this in what way? AA: You get a strong, unshakeable ally, who will ring you and people you want to – whose voices you want to see heard into the mainstream... You will have meetings with other MPs, with Ministers, all sorts of other people involved in the Parliamentary system. Because obviously there’s journalists, there’s think-tanks, there’s all sorts of things. The issues that we will share amongst ourselves [we will promote]. But my ambition goes well beyond being an MP. TR: Where do you think you can get? AA: I think I can get to the top. SE: So you’re aiming for Cameron’s seat then? AA: To go from Smethwick to Sandhurst is a massive jump. As far as I know I’m more or less the only person that managed it. The telephone conversation two days later... TR: How did you think it went? [the restaurant meeting] AA: Yeah we’re very happy to proceed. What did Eddowes say? TR: Eddowes will do it. AA: Great. TR: It’s just when and how. AA: If he announces in the couple of days that May 2 the EDL are going to… [he refers to a Britain First march arranged for May 9] TR: …So when do you want Eddowes to announce his for? AA: 2nd of May. TR: Do you know what he should be saying, because you know you said you need two people on the ground and you met Andy [EDL’s head of security], didn’t you? AA: Of course, yeah. TR: Andy knows everyone in all those areas. It’s just Eddowes doesn’t know what he’s offering and what he’s actually putting to them, how many days… he’s not aware of what he can say to them, who’s paying them. AA: We can’t pay them. TR: He can’t pay them. OK. AA: That will be illegal. What we propose to you is that you hire them. TR: OK. AA: And we’ll work out what contribution if any they can make directly to our campaign and what they can do directly for you, but let’s talk about that face to face. TR: OK. AA: We obviously can’t hire people in that because it would be against election rules, and we don’t want to break any rules. TR: That’s OK. So I’ll pay them and we’ll sort something out between me and you. AA: Yeah, of course, of course. TR: No problem. AA: …The EDL, we are going to march again on the 2nd of May, and then... once that’s announced in about two days’ time, we’ll arrange the first meeting between the chief of police, Eddowes, Andy, a couple of local Muslim lads that you’ve already met as well. We’ll have that meeting. We’ll have a second meeting and the third one will be a press conference, and we’ll announce that we’re not going to have it because it will be too destructive, too expensive etc. TR: OK, cool. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3005845/Exposed-Star-Tory-candidate-plotted-race-thugs-stage-fake-EDL-demo-cynical-bid-win-votes.html#ixzz3V8S6KaEG Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Quite frankly, if this was a court case, a chimpanzee could get a conviction.
cityfanlee23 Posted 22 March 2015 Posted 22 March 2015 For the love of God. I'm struggling to work out whether you are unbelievably blinkered or stupid. Adam Johnson was not caught shagging a 15 year old girl on camera with her photo ID gaffer taped to her forehead. What's happened in this instance is the political equivalent. If you STILL doubt the bloke's guilt, please find attached a transcript of the conversation sourced from that well-known New Labour fanzine, the Daily Mail. Quite frankly, if this was a court case, a chimpanzee could get a conviction. You've just called me blinkered when I've just stated twice that I took it back and apologised to Buce.... Which you've ignored... I hears about this about a week ago when it was only allegations... and had not seen anything since, now it's been released and I found it and apologised... You're still going though
Guest Bilo Posted 22 March 2015 Posted 22 March 2015 Again, back to the Adam Johnson debate, He was suspended due to INVESTIGATION, He played yesterday. As I have already said, With regard to Afzal I retracted my statement and apologised to Buce on that matter, but the point stands on political scandals. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/brooks-newmark-resigns-minister-caught-in-sex-sting-to-quit-as-mp-over-new-scandal-9789165.html Again, the idea that Tory MPs are purer than the driven snow is laughable. There's plenty of other examples as well, a lot more recent than 2010 to boot. The point is that politicians in high office are sometimes bent. This is probably why your list of examples of Labour scandals were between 1997 and 2010, the exact same years as they were in office. The fact that you're making corruption in high office a party political issue is ludicrous. I feel reasonably sure that this idiotic politician would be condemned just as harshly, perhaps even more so, if his rosette was red instead of blue.
Buce Posted 22 March 2015 Posted 22 March 2015 No i explained the context of my Fact was in hindsight to about 3 different people, you seem to have ignored that. Not once did I state that our ships were sunk BEFORE the belgrano. I stated that we have almost 1,000 injured and lots of deaths, and stated that it was right to sink a ship moving the wrong way from where it should. Any of them being any Tories. Which was the party represented in question. Funny how my words were mistaken by others with regard to the Belgrano, now you're claiming i'm mistaken in yours. Works both ways. people think we should have let the belgrano go when it was heading TOWARDS the exclusion zone, and in total we'd had 22 ships damaged, 6 of them sunk. You also stated this in two other posts.
cityfanlee23 Posted 22 March 2015 Posted 22 March 2015 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/brooks-newmark-resigns-minister-caught-in-sex-sting-to-quit-as-mp-over-new-scandal-9789165.html Again, the idea that Tory MPs are purer than the driven snow is laughable. There's plenty of other examples as well, a lot more recent than 2010 to boot. The point is that politicians in high office are sometimes bent. This is probably why your list of examples of Labour scandals were between 1997 and 2010, the exact same years as they were in office. The fact that you're making corruption in high office a party political issue is ludicrous. I feel reasonably sure that this idiotic politician would be condemned just as harshly, perhaps even more so, if his rosette was red instead of blue. I don't think they are at all! I just think they run the country better, Still wouldn't trust MP's The fact is being an MP is built on lying... It's the only way to get votes because truthfully, britain cannot make everybody happy within its means unless we run a huge deficit each year making us vulnerable... Personally I believe in growing the country bigger so we will be in a better position to "live within our means" and pay our way.. But they have to lie to get there, If the leader of the opposition said "I won't lie, I wont raise minimum wage, I'll probably push inflation up, We will probably waste a load of money on nothing, we will most likely make cuts, or put us in a vulnerable position with a big deficit" They'd never get the public vote... It's a great shame really.
Strokes Posted 22 March 2015 Posted 22 March 2015 It would have to be very strong evidence to suspend an election candidate, this close to the election. Its appalling behaviour and 'when proven' guilty, I hope his political career is over.
cityfanlee23 Posted 22 March 2015 Posted 22 March 2015 It would have to be very strong evidence to suspend an election candidate, this close to the election. Its appalling behaviour and 'when proven' guilty, I hope his political career is over. And I agree.
Guest Bilo Posted 22 March 2015 Posted 22 March 2015 The idea that politicians wilfully lie is just lazy. There hasn't been a single politician in history who has wanted to damage the country or set out knowing their policies will do the damage. It's more often down to over optimism, being thwarted by fellow party members who disagree with their vision, incompetence or plain bad luck. I think David Cameron, for example, genuinely wanted to bring immigration down but has been unable to do so for a number of factors beyond his control. That doesn't make him a liar, (incompetent, certainly) and I say that as somebody who will definitely vote Labour. The accusation of lying is the cheapest slur to make against a political opponent. It would have to be very strong evidence to suspend an election candidate, this close to the election. Its appalling behaviour and 'when proven' guilty, I hope his political career is over. It will be now, who would trust him? The idea of a Muslim making a deal with the EDL is one that will definitely haunt him too.
Buce Posted 22 March 2015 Posted 22 March 2015 My point was that Buce is attacking Tories, when labour have some of the biggest scandals in political history..Rather than making assumptions about my political affiliations, I suggest that you either, a) ask me, or b) check my posting history.I am not a Labour supporter: when I say 'any of them','I refer to politicians full stop.
Strokes Posted 22 March 2015 Posted 22 March 2015 Come on, lift up your skirt buce, let's have a butchers
cityfanlee23 Posted 22 March 2015 Posted 22 March 2015 The idea that politicians wilfully lie is just lazy. There hasn't been a single politician in history who has wanted to damage the country or set out knowing their policies will do the damage. It's more often down to over optimism, being thwarted by fellow party members who disagree with their vision, incompetence or plain bad luck. I think David Cameron, for example, genuinely wanted to bring immigration down but has been unable to do so for a number of factors beyond his control. That doesn't make him a liar, (incompetent, certainly) and I say that as somebody who will definitely vote Labour. The accusation of lying is the cheapest slur to make against a political opponent. It will be now, who would trust him? The idea of a Muslim making a deal with the EDL is one that will definitely haunt him too. I suppose that's one way of putting it, I wouldn't say they clearly go out wanting to damage the country, but I think there is a fine line between being too ambitious and being unrealistic and knowing so. I'm sure George Osborne knew he wouldn't be able to cut the deficit by 180b in 5 years, yet he promised he would, Whether the initial statement saying would was just too ambitious or not, I think he must have known that truthfully that figure was unachievable... but stated he would, I think that is a running theme in politics.
Buce Posted 22 March 2015 Posted 22 March 2015 Come on, lift up your skirt buce, let's have a butchers
Jimothy Posted 22 March 2015 Posted 22 March 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32009961 I'm in no way a UKIP supporter, but this is disgusting behaviour. A man should be able to have a meal in a pub with his family in peace, no matter what his political stance. What makes it worse is Farage didn't enter a pub they happened to be in, they went hunting him down.
Buce Posted 22 March 2015 Posted 22 March 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32009961 I'm in no way a UKIP supporter, but this is disgusting behaviour. A man should be able to have a meal in a pub with his family in peace, no matter what his political stance. What makes it worse is Farage didn't enter a pub they happened to be in, they went hunting him down. Yeah, frightening kids is bang out of order. Fvcking morons.
Rincewind Posted 22 March 2015 Posted 22 March 2015 it will be good for his publicity though. In a do more good for him than the ones carrying out attack sense.
Strokes Posted 23 March 2015 Posted 23 March 2015 Yeah, frightening kids is bang out of order. Fvcking morons. You don't think their behaviour is outright hypocritical?
Buce Posted 23 March 2015 Posted 23 March 2015 You don't think their behaviour is outright hypocritical? Of course I do. How could you possibly infer otherwise from what I posted?
MooseBreath Posted 23 March 2015 Posted 23 March 2015 What does a "HIV activist" do? And should we feel sorry for and have to go out of our way to accommodate people who got Aids?
leicsmac Posted 23 March 2015 Posted 23 March 2015 What does a "HIV activist" do? And should we feel sorry for and have to go out of our way to accommodate people who got Aids? Possibly because it's a (thankfully very gradual with the right drugs these days) terminal illness that can be contracted in a variety of different ways, not all of which you might (if you were so inclined) refer to as morally questionable? We feel sorry for and accomodate those with other terminal illnesses (like cancer) don't we? Edit: But of course morons like this do their cause no good by harassing Farage in this way.
Webbo Posted 23 March 2015 Posted 23 March 2015 Labour has been “hijacked” by a north London liberal elite and the public thinks Ed Miliband is more of a “toff” than David Cameron, according to one prominent Labour backbencher. In an interview with the New Statesman, Simon Danczuk, the Rochdale Labour MP, said, “any Labour politician that says to you they knock on a door and Ed Miliband is popular are telling lies. They’re just telling lies. It’s just not true. I spend four hours knocking on doors on a Sunday – they [constituents] say things like ‘you’re doing an alright job as MP but I don’t want Ed Miliband as Prime Minister, so I won’t vote for you.’ So it’ll cost me votes. “You get it on the doorstep. If we’re having a straight conversation about this, he [Miliband] has an image of being more of a toff than David Cameron. That’s how the public see it. And what they mean by that is that he’s seen as more aloof. They’d prefer to go for a pint with David Cameron than they would with Ed Miliband, that’s the reality of it.” http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/exclusive-labour-mp-says-public-think-ed-miliband-aloof-and-more-toff-cameron
SMX11 Posted 23 March 2015 Posted 23 March 2015 A labour mp telling the truth? Wow. However the conservatives are equally 'hijacked'.
Strokes Posted 23 March 2015 Posted 23 March 2015 Of course I do. How could you possibly infer otherwise from what I posted? Sorry buce, it was a badly worded question. I hadn't intended on inferring anything of the sort. Typical Monday morning brain fart.
Buce Posted 23 March 2015 Posted 23 March 2015 Sorry buce, it was a badly worded question. I hadn't intended on inferring anything of the sort. Typical Monday morning brain fart. No worries, Strokes.
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