ealingfox Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 David Cameron 'won't serve third term' if re-elected 19 minutes ago From the sectionUK Politics Jump media player Media player help Out of media player. Press enter to return or tab to continue. Media captionDavid Cameron told James Landale he would not be running for a third term David Cameron has told the BBC he will not serve a third term as prime minister if the Conservatives remain in government after the general election. The PM said if re-elected he would serve the full five years of another Parliament and then leave Number 10. Mr Cameron tipped Home Secretary Theresa May, Chancellor George Osborne and London Mayor Boris Johnson as potential successors. Labour accused him of arrogance while the Lib Dems called him presumptuous. In an interview with BBC deputy political editor James Landale, Mr Cameron described the three Conservative heavyweights as "great people" with "plenty of talent". 'Shredded Wheat' James Landale said the PM's comments would "electrify the election campaign". "Not only will this kick-start a lengthy Tory leadership contest, it will also send a message to voters that if they back the prime minister now, he would not go on and on as some previous prime ministers had done," he said. "But it is quite a gamble. There is a risk that some voters will think Mr Cameron is being arrogant for presuming the result of an election that could see him dismissed from Downing Street in a matter of weeks." Jump media player Media player help Out of media player. Press enter to return or tab to continue. Media captionDavid Cameron said he was putting himself forward "for the full five years" as PM The prime minister said during the interview he felt his job was "half done" with the economy "turned round" and that he wanted to "finish the job" of education and welfare reform. But he said: "There definitely comes a time where a fresh pair of eyes and fresh leadership would be good, and the Conservative Party has got some great people coming up - the Theresa Mays, and the George Osbornes, and the Boris Johnsons. "You know, there's plenty of talent there. I'm surrounded by very good people." He added: "I've said I'll stand for a full second term, but I think after that it will be time for new leadership. "Terms are like Shredded Wheat - two are wonderful but three might just be too many." Asked whether he could imagine "life outside" if he falls short at the election, Mr Cameron said one day he would "find something else to do" and that he hoped to continue being an MP. Labour said Mr Cameron was "taking the British public for granted" by discussing a third term. Shadow foreign secretary Douglas Alexander, the party's general election co-ordinator, said: "It is typically arrogant of David Cameron to presume a third Tory term in 2020 before the British public have been given the chance to have their say in this election." A UKIP spokesman said: "Mr Cameron's announcement will create the long-awaited civil war in the Conservative Party over Europe." The Liberal Democrats described the prime minister's comments as "incredibly presumptuous". Jump media player Media player help Out of media player. Press enter to return or tab to continue. Media captionAlastair Campbell says Mr Cameron's answer was a "disaster" but Michael Gove says he supports the PM's "honest reply" But Mr Johnson played down the significance of his remarks. "Frankly it really is people making a fuss about nothing," he said. Speaking on BBC Newsnight, Conservative Chief Whip Michael Gove said the comment had been a "statement of the bleeding obvious". "The prime minister was asked a direct question and he gave an honest answer," he added. 'Sanity check' Former Labour Prime Minister Tony Blair ruled out seeking a fourth term ahead of the 2005 general election, leading to speculation about his replacement. His party won that election and Gordon Brown took over as prime minister in 2007. Conservative Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher won a third term at the 1987 general election, but resigned in 1990 following a leadership challenge and was replaced by John Major. Mr Cameron was elected Conservative Party leader in 2005, and became prime minister in 2010 at the head of the coalition government with the Liberal Democrats. He revealed his intentions in a wide-ranging interview in the latest of a BBC series looking behind the politics of the party leaders. He also said his eldest daughter, Nancy, was campaigning to get Jeremy Clarkson reinstated as the presenter of Top Gear. Mr Clarkson, who has been suspended following a "fracas" with a producer, is a family friend and neighbour in Mr Cameron's Oxfordshire constituency. The prime minister joked: "Nancy has threatened to go on hunger strike unless Jeremy Clarkson is restored. I told her this is not necessarily a useful intervention. It is not exactly Gandhi." He also admitted that being seen as posh had made it easier for his political opponents to describe the Conservatives as a party of the rich, and described his wife Samantha as his "sanity check" during the election campaign.
Guest MattP Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32009961 I'm in no way a UKIP supporter, but this is disgusting behaviour. A man should be able to have a meal in a pub with his family in peace, no matter what his political stance. What makes it worse is Farage didn't enter a pub they happened to be in, they went hunting him down. This sort of thing has been going on for ages and the groups that do this like Hope Not Hate etc are mostly backed and funded by trade unions and the local Labour party.I saw a lad spitting at pensioners arriving to a UKIP meeting once. They really are the scum of the earth. These idiots don't seem to realise it backfires as well - stories like this will garner huge sympathy for Farage.
Guest MattP Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 Crikey. Polling councillors on the Daily Politucs today. 91% of Green councillors want cars banned from city centre's and nearly 50% want vegetarian only meals served to children.
Guest MattP Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 Surprised only 16% of UKIP councillors would want to support a Conservative government.
Jon the Hat Posted 24 March 2015 Author Posted 24 March 2015 Surprised only 16% of UKIP councillors would want to support a Conservative government. Why? Most of them already rejected the Tories as not right wing enough.
Guest MattP Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 Why? Most of them already rejected the Tories as not right wing enough. You would still think most of them would be prepared to work with them though given how many are ex Tories? The same figure for Greens with Labour was well over 60% and you presume they've moved for the same reason just mirrored.
BlueSi13 Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 So judging by forecast predictions and talks of coalitions/partnerships/deals etc are we to assume then that Ed Miliband appears to be a stick on for the victory? It would appear that plenty of parties would be potentially willing to prop up a weak Labour party ,whereas the Conservatives are appearing rather isolated at the moment (a predicted collapse in the Liberal Democrat vote and the UKIP support vanishing on the night would surely seal the end of Cameron). Furthermore with the pathetic level of support the Conservatives enjoy outside England, is it even possible for them to ever gain an outright majority again whilst the UK still exists?
Webbo Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 So judging by forecast predictions and talks of coalitions/partnerships/deals etc are we to assume then that Ed Miliband appears to be a stick on for the victory? It would appear that plenty of parties would be potentially willing to prop up a weak Labour party ,whereas the Conservatives are appearing rather isolated at the moment (a predicted collapse in the Liberal Democrat vote and the UKIP support vanishing on the night would surely seal the end of Cameron). Furthermore with the pathetic level of support the Conservatives enjoy outside England, is it even possible for them to ever gain an outright majority again whilst the UK still exists? Keep telling the country that, it's the tories best weapon.
Guest MattP Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 So judging by forecast predictions and talks of coalitions/partnerships/deals etc are we to assume then that Ed Miliband appears to be a stick on for the victory? It would appear that plenty of parties would be potentially willing to prop up a weak Labour party ,whereas the Conservatives are appearing rather isolated at the moment (a predicted collapse in the Liberal Democrat vote and the UKIP support vanishing on the night would surely seal the end of Cameron). Furthermore with the pathetic level of support the Conservatives enjoy outside England, is it even possible for them to ever gain an outright majority again whilst the UK still exists? Cameron is odds on with the bookies to still be PM after the election - a Tory majority is now as short as 4-1 again, a Labour one is 33-1. It's going to be messy - gun to head I'd be going a Tory - Liberal coalition at the minute maybe with DUP help.
Jimothy Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 Cameron is odds on with the bookies to still be PM after the election - a Tory majority is now as short as 4-1 again, a Labour one is 33-1. It's going to be messy - gun to head I'd be going a Tory - Liberal coalition at the minute maybe with DUP help. Best price you can get on a Labour majority is 16/1 according to oddschecker. Nowhere near 33/1. A bookie would be crazy to off anything like 33/1 in such a tight race. Love to know where you get some stuff at times. Few weeks ago it was the labour poll rating dropping when it wasn't, now this.
Guest MattP Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 I've literally just checked now and Labour majority is 33-1 with Bet Victor. https://m.oddschecker.com/m/politics/british-politics#politics-british-politics-next-uk-general-election-next-government
Guest Bilo Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 This sort of thing has been going on for ages and the groups that do this like Hope Not Hate etc are mostly backed and funded by trade unions and the local Labour party. I saw a lad spitting at pensioners arriving to a UKIP meeting once. They really are the scum of the earth. These idiots don't seem to realise it backfires as well - stories like this will garner huge sympathy for Farage. As a Labour supporter, I agree that these are useless tactics. People attacking Farage, verbally or physically, will change nobody's mind. The best thing that happened to the BNP in my opinion wasn't egging Nick Griffin, punching BNP parliamentary candidates in the face or the UAF marches against them, it was allowing Nick Griffin to go on Question Time and humiliate himself by showing how poorly thought out his policies actually were. The BNP have never recovered from that body blow, and they were on the verge of becoming a fairly large political force at the time with seats on various councils and in the European Parliament. I'm not suggesting UKIP are in the BNP's league of racism, though they have undoubtedly picked up a lot of voters who might otherwise have gone for BNP if they were still a viable party, but the point still stands. The best way to tackle somebody you disagree with is to let them speak and give them enough rope to hang themselves.
Guest MattP Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 Looks like 16 with Bet Victor to me. image.jpg Baffling that. In majority market it's 16's yet click next government market and Labour MAJ is 33's - something wrong in data.
Jimothy Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 Baffling that. In majority market it's 16's yet click next government market and Labour MAJ is 33's - something wrong in data. That is odd. I hadn't looked at that market, only the Majority market. Someone at bet victor has made a balls up then, it's 16's in both markets everywhere.
Tielemans63 Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 As a Labour supporter, I agree that these are useless tactics. People attacking Farage, verbally or physically, will change nobody's mind. The best thing that happened to the BNP in my opinion wasn't egging Nick Griffin, punching BNP parliamentary candidates in the face or the UAF marches against them, it was allowing Nick Griffin to go on Question Time and humiliate himself by showing how poorly thought out his policies actually were. The BNP have never recovered from that body blow, and they were on the verge of becoming a fairly large political force at the time with seats on various councils and in the European Parliament. It's interesting that Nigel Farage has been on QT more than any other politician over the past 5 years. I would never vote UKIP but I admire Farage in many ways - particularly his eloquence under pressure and I think he's a very bright individual indeed. I expect him to wipe the floor in the TV debates. However it's no coincidence that he's here, there and everywhere in the media - I don't think there are many UKIP reps who could hold their own on QT or in many other public forums without seriously damaging the party's reputation. There's enough of them saying stupid things when they think they're not being heard, you can't blame Farage for wanting to cover every angle. Therein lies my worry with people voting for UKIP. A vote for UKIP is a vote for Farage. I'll give him his dues as he's been a breath of fresh air and he's played a blinder of the last 18 months particularly but for me, there's absolutely nothing to UKIP at all. I think beyond the acceptable facade they're not any more a serious proposition than the BNP.
Rincewind Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 Errr, but, mmm, no booing please. I'm answering the question now lets change the subject and blame someone else. https://youtu.be/7zsi-g4JpvY https://youtu.be/7zsi-g4JpvY wish there was more.
Strokes Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 It's interesting that Nigel Farage has been on QT more than any other politician over the past 5 years. I would never vote UKIP but I admire Farage in many ways - particularly his eloquence under pressure and I think he's a very bright individual indeed. I expect him to wipe the floor in the TV debates. However it's no coincidence that he's here, there and everywhere in the media - I don't think there are many UKIP reps who could hold their own on QT or in many other public forums without seriously damaging the party's reputation. There's enough of them saying stupid things when they think they're not being heard, you can't blame Farage for wanting to cover every angle. Therein lies my worry with people voting for UKIP. A vote for UKIP is a vote for Farage. I'll give him his dues as he's been a breath of fresh air and he's played a blinder of the last 18 months particularly but for me, there's absolutely nothing to UKIP at all. I think beyond the acceptable facade they're not any more a serious proposition than the BNP. You could say the same about the greens.
Tielemans63 Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 You could say the same about the greens. Absolutely mate. There's nothing too them at all. It might upset a few but IMHO their existence is pretty pointless - less so UKIP, Farage himself has been good for politics in many ways.
Strokes Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 Absolutely mate. There's nothing too them at all. It might upset a few but IMHO their existence is pretty pointless - less so UKIP, Farage himself has been good for politics in many ways. I don't think they are pointless, there popularity is growing (all the minority parties). As the big two fight over trivial unimportant issues, it's up to these parties to hold them to account and force debate on the issues, their voters find important.
Buce Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 You could say the same about the greens. Surely your mum told you that greens are good for you..?
Strokes Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 Surely your mum told you that greens are good for you..? Greens are good to eat, even my favourite fruit gums are green.
Mark_w Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 Absolutely mate. There's nothing too them at all. It might upset a few but IMHO their existence is pretty pointless - less so UKIP, Farage himself has been good for politics in many ways. I don't think that's fair. The Greens aren't set up to win elections, they're just not. UKIP have done a great job (sadly) of pressuring the major parties, particularly the Conservatives, to look at their immigration/European Union policies. I'd like to think the Greens, if led as well as UKIP have been, are capable of pressuring Labour to rethink it's attitude on the environment/animal rights etc. If I vote Green (I doubt I will) it would be because I want Labour to shift slightly closer to what the Greens are offering before I'm willing to vote for them. I'd like to think the Greens have the potential to have some success when it comes to altering the attitude of the Labour party with regards to a few select issues, there is 'nothing to them' and they aren't a 'serious party' in the sense that they're clearly not a party that can lead the country or really come close to it, but that doesn't mean they can't play an important role. I mean I'm not an aficionado when it comes to politics but I certainly think there's a place for them.
Strokes Posted 24 March 2015 Posted 24 March 2015 I don't think that's fair. The Greens aren't set up to win elections, they're just not. UKIP have done a great job (sadly) of pressuring the major parties, particularly the Conservatives, to look at their immigration/European Union policies. I'd like to think the Greens, if led as well as UKIP have been, are capable of pressuring Labour to rethink it's attitude on the environment/animal rights etc. If I vote Green (I doubt I will) it would be because I want Labour to shift slightly closer to what the Greens are offering before I'm willing to vote for them. I'd like to think the Greens have the potential to have some success when it comes to altering the attitude of the Labour party with regards to a few select issues, there is 'nothing to them' and they aren't a 'serious party' in the sense that they're clearly not a party that can lead the country or really come close to it, but that doesn't mean they can't play an important role. I mean I'm not an aficionado when it comes to politics but I certainly think there's a place for them. Totally agree, obviously not with your political stance but I believe in the same logic.
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