2015 Election season ..........stuff it in here.

[bovril]

Clearly a veiled reference to blood-sucking Romanians.

[Dr The Singh]

Clearly a veiled reference to blood-sucking Romanians.

Theres loads of movies about these people, we need a modern Van Hel Singh

[Guest MattP]

I find it ironic the guys accusing garage of being racist, decide to bring More Farah's race into the equation, are there no white people with HIV?

It's baffling - do they really think UKIP supporters would be totally silent if disease was coming in being carried by Eastern Europeans?

The recent rise in the party has been because of mass WHITE immigration - it's astounding a small minority of people still think this is a black and white issue.

[Dr The Singh]

It's baffling - do they really think UKIP supporters would be totally silent if disease was coming in being carried by Eastern Europeans?

The recent rise in the party has been because of mass WHITE immigration - it's astounding a small minority of people still think this is a black and white issue.

Absolutely, most of Garages points were anti Europe not coloured

[Strokes]

I find it ironic the guys accusing garage of being racist, decide to bring More Farah's race into the equation, are there no white people with HIV?

Where they talking about mo farah running a race and it's all got mixed up somehow. Can't we all be friends?

[Dr The Singh]

Where they talking about mo farah running a race and it's all got mixed up somehow. Can't we all be friends?

I'll be your friend again, as long you keep your hands to yourself this time....

[sphericalfox]

Wonder if the author of that is the Labour councillor Ramesh Patel? Or else who is he? When i googled his name most of what I got were blogs calling him out for lying in that article like this one:

http://brackenworld.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/did-ramesh-patel-get-paid-for-this.html?m=1

Huffington Post hiding behind pseudonyms to tell lies? Very cheap.

 

That article fails in a way to rebuke the article posted. Resorts to cheap nitpicking on spelling, and provides no evidence to counter. I'm sure you'll do a better job?

[Buce]

It's baffling - do they really think UKIP supporters would be totally silent if disease was coming in being carried by Eastern Europeans?

The recent rise in the party has been because of mass WHITE immigration - it's astounding a small minority of people still think this is a black and white issue.

I don't think your average racist sees East Europeans as being properly white. It was noticeable in Thursday's debate that Farage was ok with the original EU members - he even name-checked them: Holland, Germany etc -, his problem was with the former communist countries.

[Strokes]

I don't think your average racist sees East Europeans as being properly white. It was noticeable in Thursday's debate that Farage was ok with the original EU members - he even name-checked them: Holland, Germany etc -, his problem was with the former communist countries.

That's not about race, it's about parity, contribution or wealth if you like. He doesn't think we should be subsidising weaker countries and I agree.

[leicsmac]

Right - as Alf mentioned above, Farage is an equal opportunity isolationist. This isn't a race based issue, rather a nationality based one.

The point regarding HIV of those who have immigrated to the UK reasonably recently is a thorny one, and it extends to other health issues too - when do you grant NHS cover to those who come to this country? Who decides who should get cover and for what circumstances? Once again, as Alf says if Farage thinks this is a concern he should have a policy in mind to be able to deal with it, rather than just saying it's a problem. (Which I'm inclined to say it is, though not as big as some other problems.)

And Matt, regarding your point saying that you hope we don't have the attitude now of 'If something is hard to do then we may as well do nothing or not even try'...is that the same attitude you would hold towards, say, pursuing tax evasion by large businesses or change of energy production and climate change in the future? Because they're difficult things to deal with too, but both a feature of our current society and both something many people think we shouldn't do something about either.

[Strokes]

What is wrong with asking immigrants to have health insurance for the first 3 years, I mean really that's the point he was trying to establish.

I think the more these sort of arguments drag on, the more I start to think full privatisation of the NHS would be better.

[Guest MattP]

I don't think your average racist sees East Europeans as being properly white. It was noticeable in Thursday's debate that Farage was ok with the original EU members - he even name-checked them: Holland, Germany etc -, his problem was with the former communist countries.

You've totally missed the point of what he meant.

Those countries have similar employment and GDP levels so you could have a freedom of movement policy without mass movement of unskilled workers causing harm to the poorest in British society.

I'd actually be ok with extending that to Canada, New Zealand and Australia as well (yes even the black ones shock!!)

What you don't do as a developed wealthy nation is go into it with countries where the minimum wage is below 40p.

What gives us the right to rape these countries of their talent as well?

[leicsmac]

That's not about race, it's about parity, contribution or wealth if you like. He doesn't think we should be subsidising weaker countries and I agree.

Right. And while the concept of the nation state persists, that thinking will persist with it.

[Dr The Singh]

Right - as Alf mentioned above, Farage is an equal opportunity isolationist. This isn't a race based issue, rather a nationality based one.

The point regarding HIV of those who have immigrated to the UK reasonably recently is a thorny one, and it extends to other health issues too - when do you grant NHS cover to those who come to this country? Who decides who should get cover and for what circumstances? Once again, as Alf says if Farage thinks this is a concern he should have a policy in mind to be able to deal with it, rather than just saying it's a problem. (Which I'm inclined to say it is, though not as big as some other problems.)

And Matt, regarding your point saying that you hope we don't have the attitude now of 'If something is hard to do then we may as well do nothing or not even try'...is that the same attitude you would hold towards, say, pursuing tax evasion by large businesses or change of energy production and climate change in the future? Because they're difficult things to deal with too, but both a feature of our current society and both something many people think we shouldn't do something about either.

Garage is a one car space pony, he is playing a single card hoping to be part of a coalition. How can people take him seriously, or put any effort towards what he says.

[Guest MattP]

And Matt, regarding your point saying that you hope we don't have the attitude now of 'If something is hard to do then we may as well do nothing or not even try'...is that the same attitude you would hold towards, say, pursuing tax evasion by large businesses or change of energy production and climate change in the future? Because they're difficult things to deal with too, but both a feature of our current society and both something many people think we shouldn't do something about either.

Absolutely and I'm delighted this government has done more to pursue tax evasion than any other previously.

As for climate change - as I've said it's irrelevant what we do anyway whatever the merits - it's India and China that have to lead the way in that.

Right. And while the concept of the nation state persists, that thinking will persist with it.

And you better get used to that as the nation state is always going to exist.

[leicsmac]

What is wrong with asking immigrants to have health insurance for the first 3 years, I mean really that's the point he was trying to establish.

I think the more these sort of arguments drag on, the more I start to think full privatisation of the NHS would be better.

The health or life of a human being should never come down to a matter of money. You only need look at the American system to see where healthcare privatisation ends.

[Strokes]

Right. And while the concept of the nation state persists, that thinking will persist with it.

Yeah getting rid of national borders has a history of going well doesn't it?

[Guest MattP]

The health or life of a human being should never come down to a matter of money. You only need look at the American system to see where healthcare privatisation ends.

What about if you are literally running out of money?

Do you still decide to spend and then shutdown healthcare when you run out or do you start to think about prioritising?

[MooseBreath]

That article fails in a way to rebuke the article posted. Resorts to cheap nitpicking on spelling, and provides no evidence to counter. I'm sure you'll do a better job?

Maybe I could, but to do a good job would take much longer than I'm willing to commit, I've got work to do today if I want to have a day off this easter weekend.

Three immediate points though:

1) it's the huffpost, which is less credible than ken

2) the author who claims to be a conservative, might actually be a labour councillor, if not he/she is totally anonymous

3) if what he/she is saying was true, don't you think Miliband and the lLabour party would be driving those points home at every opportunity? What about the guardian? Why is that 2012 article the only thing we've heard about it?

[Dr The Singh]

Yeah getting rid of national borders has a history of going well doesn't it?

Its one way of getting UKIP into power

[Strokes]

What about if you are literally running out of money?

Do you still decide to spend and then shutdown healthcare when you run out or do you start to think about prioritising?

That's it, if those that pay don't get priority, then where's the incentive to pay?

[Mark_w]

Mark - I don't want to sound patronising but I simply have to ask this as it doesn't seem like you do.

Do you actually realise the country is 1.400 billion in debt and still running at a deficit of 80 billion a year? I'd love to hear some of your thoughts on reducing the deficit as every policy you mention would increase it.

It's lovely, liberal and idealistic - but it simply isn't possible in the real World.

 

Well no not every policy I've mentioned would do that. I'm all for a mansion tax, Robin Hood tax, I'm in favour of massively cutting our military and nuclear weapons spending.

[leicsmac]

And you better get used to that as the nation state is always going to exist.

Up until the day we face a global problem that forces us to act as one species or face the collapse of civilisation/extinction.

Though when that happens we're more likely to end up destroying each other as each nation will still probably think they can stand alone and protect their own interests. The 'winner' will merely have the honour of either reverting back to a modern day Stone Age or being the last to die.

Apologies for the nihilism, but I do think we share a certain cynicism regarding what humanity would do if the shit ever really hit the fan.

[Strokes]

Its one way of getting UKIP into power

I don't want them in power Singh, I just want an exit from the EU. They have an important voice, as they are the only ones challenging the Union. They will continue to gain popularity, until the bigger parties start to talk about it, without name calling and branding. That tactic doesn't wash anymore.

[Dr The Singh]

Up until the day we face a global problem that forces us to act as one species or face the collapse of civilisation/extinction.

Though when that happens we're more likely to end up destroying each other as each nation will still probably think they can stand alone and protect their own interests. The 'winner' will merely have the honour of either reverting back to a modern day Stone Age or being the last to die.

Apologies for the nihilism, but I do think we share a certain cynicism regarding what humanity would do if the shit ever really hit the fan.

I don't think that's going yo happen before the next election.

It won't happen in my life time