Mark_w Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Those games have gone now. We've also played poor against Burnley, Newcastle, Palace, Swansea and now recently today. We can keep saying "we did this, we did that" until we are relegated (and for the record I totally have faith in Pearson but his selections and tactics recently have been very questionable). Results against Everton, Arsenal, Manchester United were "bonus points". If we can't beat the likes of West Brom and Burnley then what's the point? Right so the cut off point between which games 'have gone' and which ones still matter is Manchester United/Burnley, how inconvenient for us. Points are points and we've got enough of them to be outside the relegation zone right now. For a newly promoted side, that is good. Hopefully it'll be the same after 38 games.
Lichfieldfox. Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Excellent manager, measured, fair, intelligent, manages the media and expectations really well.
Fox92 Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 What a stupid comment, points are points no matter who we beat. We compete against 19 other teams in this league and we don't deserve to take points off of any of them without playing the match and getting some form of result. Yes the odds are more favourable against some of the teams like Burnley, QPR, Sunderland, but it doesn't mean we should be taking something from them. Of course points are points whoever we beat, but points against top 7 teams are essentially bonus points. We don't expect to get results from Manchester United, Everton, Arsenal etc. It's just nice when/if we do get such points. And so far this season, it's a good job we got these extra 5 points because we'd be in a worse position. That was my point. Games we need to win though, we aren't winning (minus Stoke). I expect nothing next week, but I'd like to think we can beat Sunderland - a home game against a team in the similar position as ourselves.
inckley fox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 He said nothing wrong. If you can't take a football manager who sees the players every day and who has spent some time in the game, thinking he knows a little bit more about football than you do then you probably need to stop listening to football manager's interviews. He didn't outright say that, but if he did I don't think you could really argue. If you had all the facts about players fitness, and you saw them every day in training in the build up to this game, you might have had a re-think. But none of us do, and we've got no proof that the outcome would have been any different if he'd gone with another formation. We didn't actually play that badly today really. Fair enough, but I'd love to know what standards Mahrez - who has looked loosely up to standard this season - hasn't met, but Drinkwater, De Laet, Konchesky and Nugent have. Clearly these are the standards which will see us consistently concede silly goals, look like an abject mess, never score goals and get relegated. Also interesting to see posters doing that thing where on the one hand they criticise people for questioning the manager, while simultaneously laying the blame squarely on players who (unlike the manager, at the moment) appear to be doing a respectable job! I clearly don't understand this loyalty business! Pearson is rightly our manager. But there are plenty of grounds for criticism right now.
Tielemans63 Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Whilst tactically he's been all over the bloody shop these past few weeks I can understand him being frustrated with the players. The 5-3 win over United was the best and the worst thing to happen to us this season. After that performance the media and everyone else were blowing smoke up our arseholes and predicting we'd stay up comfortably. They played like they just had to turn up v Burnley and we haven't recovered from that 96th minute equaliser. Since then we've played like a sloth on horse tranquilizers. Obviously the buck stops with NP but the attitude from the players hasn't been great the last month or so.
hesapeepingtom Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 What did he say wrong? Not happy with the results.but he's implying he can't play or trust the wingers cause they don't work hard enough and if that's the case he's in the right.
inckley fox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 It's us who paid to see the Stoke win, what Foxes Talk voted as the greatest game in our history against Man United a few weeks ago, exciting draws with Arsenal and Everton. I think we've had a pretty good deal so far. We've just been promoted, we're 17th, stop moaning. It was Pearson who was moaning!
Larry_LCFC Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Whilst tactically he's been all over the bloody shop these past few weeks I can understand him being frustrated with the players. The 5-3 win over United was the best and the worst thing to happen to us this season. After that performance the media and everyone else were blowing smoke up our arseholes and predicting we'd stay up comfortably. They played like they just had to turn up v Burnley and we haven't recovered from that 96th minute equaliser. Since then we've played like a sloth on horse tranquilizers. Obviously the buck stops with NP but the attitude from the players hasn't been great the last month or so. A sloth on horse tranquilizers?
inckley fox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Spot on. If it's arrogance, then so be it. He don't need to come out and be sorry. I prefer he remains bullish and keeps things in house. He has done so much for us, and yes he and the players are making some mistakes, but he will know exactly what they are when he analyses things on Monday. He don't need to take anybodys opinions on board apart from his staff. Oh come on. If he so precisely knows what's wrong with his side then how come we're on a five match winless run and repeatedly chopping and changing the starting eleven? He drops Hammond, Vardy, James, Mahrez, Nugent, Cambiasso for being substandard one day, then recalls them a week later. He's played three or four distinct formations in five matches.These don't feel like the actions of a manager who 'knows exactly' what our problems are. As such it might be worth him taking in a few suggestions. As for keeping things 'in house'; when talking specifically about wingers who had been dropped today he started to rant about players who didn't meet his standards, and how he didn't 'care who they are'. It didn't feel very 'in house'. It felt like he was deliberately and publicly slating our main creative force.
Mark_w Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Also interesting to see posters doing that thing where on the one hand they criticise people for questioning the manager, while simultaneously laying the blame squarely on players who (unlike the manager, at the moment) appear to be doing a respectable job! I clearly don't understand this loyalty business! Well I haven't done that and it's me you'rer quoting. You're basically just making that up to support your argument aren't you? Because I'm certainly not attacking the players. As I said, I thought we were okay today. If you think they're happy to go down because they've got nice long contracts, then I think you're wrong. They're not doing great at the moment, but I think it's pretty clear that actually the majority of our players are very ambitious and want to help the club move forward
inckley fox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Well I haven't done that and it's me you'rer quoting. You're basically just making that up to support your argument aren't you? Because I'm certainly not attacking the players. As I said, I thought we were okay today. No, I certainly wasn't aiming anything at you specifically; it's a general observation directed towards various 'players need to take the blame' posts. I notice I've responded to a lot of your posts, but that's because (a) you make a good point but (b) I don't agree with it. I'm not taking issue with you!
inckley fox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 When? Well, when he said they didn't deserve some of the criticism 'thrown' their way, and angrily responded to Stringer by saying 'I don't care what anyone else thinks'. I think that constitutes a moan, doesn't it?!
Mark_w Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Well, when he said they didn't deserve some of the criticism 'thrown' their way, and angrily responded to Stringer by saying 'I don't care what anyone else thinks'. I think that constitutes a moan, doesn't it?! I don't think it was angry, he sounded fairly calm. It was honest.
inckley fox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 I don't think it was angry, he sounded fairly calm. It was honest. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. It didn't sound like a Happy Nige Moment to me.
lee7 Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 It's us who paid to see the Stoke win, what Foxes Talk voted as the greatest game in our history against Man United a few weeks ago, exciting draws with Arsenal and Everton. I think we've had a pretty good deal so far. We've just been promoted, we're 17th, stop moaning. If he's having a dig at the fans then I think I as a 'fan' have every right to moan! Whether we had been on an unbeaten run of 5 games and he said what he has said I would still pick up on it as it smacks of complete arrogance. By no means am I saying that I want him sacked so you've completely jumped the gun. Muppet.
Mark_w Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 If he's having a dig at the fans then I think I as a 'fan' have every right to moan! Whether we had been on an unbeaten run of 5 games and he said what he has said I would still pick up on it as it smacks of complete arrogance. By no means am I saying that I want him sacked so you've completely jumped the gun. Muppet. I didn't say you wanted him sacked, I said 'stop moaning'. And I stand by it.
inckley fox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 I didn't say you wanted him sacked, I said 'stop moaning'. And I stand by it. Is it not a little unrealistic to expect football fans not to engage in a little moaning when their club is on a five match winless run in which they've scored two goals, and are on the brink of the relegation zone? Especially when the manager himself has absolutely no problem with having a moan.
Mark_w Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Is it not a little unrealistic to expect football fans not to engage in a little moaning when their club is on a five match winless run in which they've scored two goals, and are on the brink of the relegation zone? Especially when the manager himself has absolutely no problem with having a moan. Realistic or not, I'd still like them to shut up.
Bettsj2 Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 I didn't say you wanted him sacked, I said 'stop moaning'. And I stand by it. I definitely want him sacked. We didnt notice his arrogance last season as it was justified with results. Now he just looks like a massive twat. I was a massive fan but the constant pissing about with the starting lineup and formation (and refusal to admit that its a factor for the shite performances) has worn me down. I want him gone and someone to come in that can make the best of what we have rather than constantly trying to over complicate things.
lee7 Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 I didn't say you wanted him sacked, I said 'stop moaning'. And I stand by it. I won't stop moaning just because you are telling me to do so on an Internet forum. You have a point they did put in some really good performances in the first 5 games but the last 5 have been lackluster in comparison. If people aren't allowed to post their opinions/views without you moaning at them because they differ from yours then what's the point in the forum?
Bert Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 If that comment was aimed at Mahrez then why include him the squad? Plenty of other options that were available to be selected. Personally I think Pearson knows he got it wrong today and was annoyed that we've not took something out of a game that we should've done. Move on.
inckley fox Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Realistic or not, I'd still like them to shut up. I think you might find a football forum the wrong sort of environment for you, then, if you expect people to 'shut up' moaning when their club is on a five match winless run. And you do seem a little bit grumpy yourself, to be honest.
lee7 Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 Is it not a little unrealistic to expect football fans not to engage in a little moaning when their club is on a five match winless run in which they've scored two goals, and are on the brink of the relegation zone? Especially when the manager himself has absolutely no problem with having a moan. Of course it's not! Don't you remember the first 5 games where we exceeded expectations? Clearly if you don't agree with this lads opinion then he doesn't want you to post! Everyone should be happy with a winless run where our strikers barely mustered a shot at goal let alone on target & we struggled to string 5 passes together.
Mark_w Posted 1 November 2014 Posted 1 November 2014 I think you might find a football forum the wrong sort of environment for you, then, if you expect people to 'shut up' moaning when their club is on a five match winless run. And you do seem a little bit grumpy yourself, to be honest. People are calling for the best manager we've had in a decade to be sacked while we're outside the relegation zone because of 5, 5! bad games. We're moving forwards as a club and people want to gamble that on a new manager because they're incredibly short sighted, because they haven't learned a thing from what happened a year and half ago when they last called for his head. Yes, I am indeed, 'a little bit grumpy'.
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