Some perspective

[oxfordfox]

It's quite simple someone or a collective decision was made to give our young team a chance to see how they would get on.

While things are not going to plan we haven't been thumped by anyone. I believe Pearson is only now really finding out what he has and will address it in January. Now that he has a full squad to pick from I believe thing will improve. Upson alongside Wes,  Move Was or Moore to right back. Play the other in front of the back four. Konch has done ok. I'd also give Hamner a run in Goal. ( he cannot do any worse than Kasper.) Then we'll move up the table with a solid defence for starters. 

 

We are bottom of the league for a reason.

[fuchsntf]

Dortmund are bottom too . . .

Yes my heart is really broken, twice over.

My Borussia have outplayed nearly all teams, and come away with nichts, nada, rien, niente.

My foxes not turned up for 90% of the games and at present, struggling to find hope,hoffnung, speranza from anywhere.

Whatever, I have blue n white, and black n yellow,faith and I will not be a beaten black and blue pessimist.

Borrrrrruuuuussssiiiiaaaa foxxxxxxeeeesssss to the chase.

[hackneyfox]

or to put it into perspective, were 3 points off palace in 14th place, have a manager who has never been relegated, got us promoted twice, once absolutely hammering the league. we have a strong scouting system and I hate to mention it, beat man Utd in one of the best games I've watched. to put it into even more perspective, were now denigrating a man who only a few weeks ago, people were tipping to be the manager of england when he had finished with us. fickle little peons.

I think the majority were laughing at the idea that in the near future NFP would be managing England. Those who thought he would were also claiming that Moore and Vardy would also be playing for England.

[ZeljkoKalac1]

In terms of fees and wages we are where we should most likely be. Only Burnley spent less on agents than we did during the summer window and we were the fourth lowest spenders during the summer. Of the promoted sides only Burnely spent less. Whether this is a lack of ambition on our part or representative of players unwillingness to join us no one knows, but in a summer where Championship clubs spent more on Championship strikers than we did on a potential Premier league striker is it really suprising that we are struggling at this level?

 

We spent the summer courting other striking options (so clearly the management knew where investment was needed) but failed to secure them. I can't think of an affordable option up front which we could secure at Christmas who would remedy our lack of goals so we must prepare to either renew our interest in Deeney or go with what we've got.

 

Our starting XI had only two players with recent Premier league experience, QPR's featured 9. For our squad every match is a steep learning curve, we saw last season what happens once they have learnt and can only hope that regardless of what division we find ourselves in next season that the same happens next season. One player alone isn't causing us to lose, it is a collective lack of quality which currently ails us so, blaming one or two players is in my view naive in the extreme and ignores the more obvious and more plausible reasons for our plight.

 

 

Really good post pal - very factual.

 

I for one don't believe we have a lack of ambition, the relevant people at the club thought our squad was good enough to compete to our desired level and if you take a step back and look at it, we have to a point. We are 1 point from our target position of 17th after a third of the season. We haven't really taken a hammering off anyone yet. What exactly did everyone expect?......Champions League!

[oxfordfox]

Really good post pal - very factual.

 

I for one don't believe we have a lack of ambition, the relevant people at the club thought our squad was good enough to compete to our desired level and if you take a step back and look at it, we have to a point. We are 1 point from our target position of 17th after a third of the season. We haven't really taken a hammering off anyone yet. What exactly did everyone expect?......Champions League!

 

So after a third of the season we are bottom. If you extrapolate that ...

[Monsell1976]

or to put it into perspective, were 3 points off palace in 14th place, have a manager who has never been relegated, got us promoted twice, once absolutely hammering the league. we have a strong scouting system and I hate to mention it, beat man Utd in one of the best games I've watched. to put it into even more perspective, were now denigrating a man who only a few weeks ago, people were tipping to be the manager of england when he had finished with us. fickle little peons.

Did I not say we are in touch with the rest for now, but you didn't answer the question, in your attempt to defend the position we are in, and justify pearson's ability in this division.

Ok where can you see the next points coming from, can't see it being Liverpool or villa, then who we got man city, west ham away, hull away, and spurs, not the exact order, but where do you see us performing well enough to get points, with the form we are in, taking into consideration the results and performances since the Man U game.

To answer your other points, Pearson has never been relegated, he's never managed in the top flight, so because he's never been relegated, that obviously means he never will.

The scouting system has been ok in the past, knockeart and mahrez, and the young players who are yet to prove themselves at this level and some like de-leat and drinkwater and other that have come up short.

Then we have the players scouted, recruited and never played, like Simpson, Powell, add wood to a certain extend.

Talking about the past, winning the league at a canter was great, but that helps us how now, also the Man U, as great as it was, it's one game, and helps us now how?

A player or manager are judged on performances and results in the present not the past.

I couldn't give to ****s who the manager is, wether it is Nigel Pearson or the queen of England, if they get results and performances like we are getting, they should expect to be criticised, and their job be under pressure, as I'm sure he's not employed to lose every week, and be bottom of the table.

And the England thing is a joke, you would never have seen me say that.

So think people are fickle, all are not as easly pleased as some of the hardened Pearson supporters.

And to go in record I hope Pearson sorts it out, because it's becoming pretty depressing following them home and away, but what I'm saying is I cannot see him turning it around, but live in hope.

[Raj]

Good post..so the guy who said we should spend £120 million WAS right!!!!

[ZeljkoKalac1]

So after a third of the season we are bottom. If you extrapolate that ...

 

Read the post again and stop using big words that I have to look up to see what they mean!

 

1 point off 17th. If we hadn't let a silly last minute goal at home to Burnley we'd be 17th. We are certainly not out the running yet by a long stretch. It is a tough tough league even if you do finish 17th in your first season and then spend a lot of money in the summer.....look at Hull City this term.

[oxfordfox]

Did I not say we are in touch with the rest for now, but you didn't answer the question, in your attempt to defend the position we are in, and justify pearson's ability in this division.

Ok where can you see the next points coming from, can't see it being Liverpool or villa, then who we got man city, west ham away, hull away, and spurs, not the exact order, but where do you see us performing well enough to get points, with the form we are in, taking into consideration the results and performances since the Man U game.

To answer your other points, Pearson has never been relegated, he's never managed in the top flight, so because he's never been relegated, that obviously means he never will.

The scouting system has been ok in the past, knockeart and mahrez, and the young players who are yet to prove themselves at this level and some like de-leat and drinkwater and other that have come up short.

Then we have the players scouted, recruited and never played, like Simpson, Powell, add wood to a certain extend.

Talking about the past, winning the league at a canter was great, but that helps us how now, also the Man U, as great as it was, it's one game, and helps us now how?

A player or manager are judged on performances and results in the present not the past.

I couldn't give to ****s who the manager is, wether it is Nigel Pearson or the queen of England, if they get results and performances like we are getting, they should expect to be criticised, and their job be under pressure, as I'm sure he's not employed to lose every week, and be bottom of the table.

And the England thing is a joke, you would never have seen me say that.

So think people are fickle, all are not as easly pleased as some of the hardened Pearson supporters.

And to go in record I hope Pearson sorts it out, because it's becoming pretty depressing following them home and away, but what I'm saying is I cannot see him turning it around, but live in hope.

 

There is some light at the end of the tunnel. Our run in during April and May presents a series of winnable games.

 

Here's hoping that by then we have a manager with the capability to win those games.

[Matt]

Read the post again and stop using big words that I have to look up to see what they mean!

 

1 point off 17th. If we hadn't let a silly last minute goal at home to Burnley we'd be 17th. We are certainly not out the running yet by a long stretch. It is a tough tough league even if you do finish 17th in your first season and then spend a lot of money in the summer.....look at Hull City this term.

 

But we did, end of.

 

I really don't get the if we hadn't. (Unless you're talking before hand, but when it's happened I just don't get it)

 

No if's, no but's.

[oxfordfox]

Read the post again and stop using big words that I have to look up to see what they mean!

 

1 point off 17th. If we hadn't let a silly last minute goal at home to Burnley we'd be 17th. We are certainly not out the running yet by a long stretch. It is a tough tough league even if you do finish 17th in your first season and then spend a lot of money in the summer.....look at Hull City this term.

 

Only one club has ever been bottom at end November and finished above 17th. Our chances of staying up with Pearson? Slim.

[ZeljkoKalac1]

But we did, end of.

 

I really don't get the if we hadn't. (Unless you're talking before hand, but when it's happened I just don't get it)

 

No if's, no but's.

 

"I really don't get the if we hadn't" ............I meant we could easily not in the future.....It's one mistake that we may not make in a future game, if we got hammered 6-0 I couldn't justify saying "if we'd done this for the 1st goal, 2nd goal, 3rd goal etc etc".......It's fine margins at the minute that can be easily turned around.

[oxfordfox]

"I really don't get the if we hadn't" ............I meant we could easily not in the future.....It's one mistake that we may not make in a future game, if we got hammered 6-0 I couldn't justify saying "if we'd done this for the 1st goal, 2nd goal, 3rd goal etc etc".......It's fine margins at the minute that can be easily turned around.

 

After 13 games? You think the table is misleading?

[Raj]

Last min free kick-burnley

Own goal-wba

own goal-qpr. ....."things that can be easily turned around"....not THAT easily!!!!

[Matt]

After 13 games? You think the table is misleading?

 

 

Last min free kick-burnley

Own goal-wba

own goal-qpr. ....."things that can be easily turned around"....not THAT easily!!!!

 

If ( , there you go i've gone and done it now!) it makes them feel better let them get on with justifying it, they'll still be justifying it the game before we're relegated i'm sure.

 

Infact even when we've been relegated they'll probably still be saying 'well if this...', 'if that....', 'but....' we would have been easily safe.

[Clever Fox]

With a Goalkeeper who defends his area we could have avoided several goals this season.

[ZeljkoKalac1]

If ( , there you go i've gone and done it now!) it makes them feel better let them get on with justifying it, they'll still be justifying it the game before we're relegated i'm sure.

 

Infact even when we've been relegated they'll probably still be saying 'well if this...', 'if that....', 'but....' we would have been easily safe.

 

ha ha - you're missing the point pal. If we are 5 or 6 points adrift after 25 or so games then yes, maybe we should make a change, but at the minute we're not. there isn't really a need to hit the panic button and sack the best manager we've had since Martin O Neill.

[Matt]

ha ha - you're missing the point pal. If we are 5 or 6 points adrift after 25 or so games then yes, maybe we should make a change, but at the minute we're not. there isn't really a need to hit the panic button and sack the best manager we've had since Martin O Neill.

 

Oh i'm not saying sack the manager its the players where my problem is.

[ZeljkoKalac1]

Last min free kick-burnley

Own goal-wba

own goal-qpr. ....."things that can be easily turned around"....not THAT easily!!!!

 

Er yes........... "THAT" easily, you're just justifying my point! oh dear. Have you watched football before this season?

[ZeljkoKalac1]

Oh i'm not saying sack the manager its the players where my problem is.

 

Then we agree on something! but buying players in this league isn't easy, given the wages, fee's etc and we still have to stay within FFP.

[oxfordfox]

ha ha - you're missing the point pal. If we are 5 or 6 points adrift after 25 or so games then yes, maybe we should make a change, but at the minute we're not. there isn't really a need to hit the panic button and sack the best manager we've had since Martin O Neill.

 

I don't remember us ever being bottom of the table after a third of the season under Martin....???

[ZeljkoKalac1]

I don't remember us ever being bottom of the table after a third of the season under Martin....???

 

Oh dear, thanks for your big word in your previous post! At what point did I say we were ever bottom under Martin? When I said Nigel was our best Manager since Martin, surely I'm saying Martin was better......otherwise I'd said since Matt Gilles.

[sylofox]

How many teams have been bottom in November and Finished above 17th?

[oxfordfox]

Oh dear, thanks for your big word in your previous post! At what point did I say we were ever bottom under Martin? When I said Nigel was our best Manager since Martin, surely I'm saying Martin was better......otherwise I'd said since Matt Gilles.

 

Given that "best since Martin" could mean mediocre then I accept your point. I was hoping for better.

 

Apologies for using words available in the English language.

[Clever Fox]

Martin done very well for us in a different era. In truth though he was never a better Manager than Pearson.

Martin was a good motivator but couldn't coach, preferring to leave that to others.