fleckneymike Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 In terms of fees and wages we are where we should most likely be. Only Burnley spent less on agents than we did during the summer window and we were the fourth lowest spenders during the summer. Of the promoted sides only Burnely spent less. Whether this is a lack of ambition on our part or representative of players unwillingness to join us no one knows, but in a summer where Championship clubs spent more on Championship strikers than we did on a potential Premier league striker is it really suprising that we are struggling at this level? We spent the summer courting other striking options (so clearly the management knew where investment was needed) but failed to secure them. I can't think of an affordable option up front which we could secure at Christmas who would remedy our lack of goals so we must prepare to either renew our interest in Deeney or go with what we've got. Our starting XI had only two players with recent Premier league experience, QPR's featured 9. For our squad every match is a steep learning curve, we saw last season what happens once they have learnt and can only hope that regardless of what division we find ourselves in next season that the same happens next season. One player alone isn't causing us to lose, it is a collective lack of quality which currently ails us so, blaming one or two players is in my view naive in the extreme and ignores the more obvious and more plausible reasons for our plight.
MrAus Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 I'm adamant Defoe is coming here and he knows exactly where that goal is.
Stevosevic Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 I'm adamant Defoe is coming here and he knows exactly where that goal is. Surely joining Harry at QPR? He'll want a London club and knows Redknapp
Fox92 Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 I generally agree OP, and that is a decent post for me however I don't think we are "blaming" one or two players we are just suggesting they aren't good enough.
MrAus Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 Can they afford it ?? Spent 22 million in the summer and I'd say they spend a right good whack on wages. Along with that their problems with financial fair play??
Matt Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 Didn't alot of people on here laugh at Burnley blaming their struggles on lack of money? On the same chain of thought didn't alot of people on here laugh at QPR signing old boys - now we're saying they've got the PL experience in their ranks.
fleckneymike Posted 30 November 2014 Author Posted 30 November 2014 I generally agree OP, and that is a decent post for me however I don't think we are "blaming" one or two players we are just suggesting they aren't good enough. I would say that currently it isn't just one or two who aren't good enough. The connundrum we face is that last season they were too good for the Championship and this season they aren't currently quite good enough for the Prem so do we need to buy? Any money we spend during the Christmas window we will be unlikely to ever recoup so is it worth perservering with the squad and hoping they improve or spending substantial sums in Jan and hoping that improves us?
st albans fox Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 Can they afford it ?? Spent 22 million in the summer and I'd say they spend a right good whack on wages. Along with that their problems with financial fair play?? They are minted and don't really care about ffp. Infact, unless u have designs on Europe then not sure it matters.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 The players aren't good enough for the Premiership, and neither is the Manager. We just have to face the facts. We need change now, unless we wish to remain "cannon fodder" for the Premiership sides. Any sensible person knew we would be struggling, but not performing as dreadfully lacklustre as we currently are.
lgfualol Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 We all thought we were the dogs bolocks pre season. Nasty reminder that we're not
Monsell1976 Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 To put it in perspective, we are free falling back to the championship, and have players and a management team who probaly haven't got the quality or know how to stop it.
C-man Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 To put it in perspective, we are free falling back to the championship, and have players and a management team who probaly haven't got the quality or know how to stop it. 3 points off 14th isn't what I'd call 'free-falling'.
oxfordfox Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 3 points off 14th isn't what I'd call 'free-falling'. Not winning since the Man U game and now bottom is what I would call 'free falling'. The OP is correct, we are where we could expect to be. Bottom. Bring Pulis in now.
Monsell1976 Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 3 points off 14th isn't what I'd call 'free-falling'.Oxford fox covered it for me, yes points wise we are in touch, but how have the last 8 or 9 games gone, and tell me where you think we will get the points from, Liverpool at home, villa away, can't see us getting anything the way we are playing, and how the results are going.That will make it no wins in about 11 games, I would say that is free falling.
johnny the fox Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 perspective is a banned word on here..
shade Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 To put it in perspective, we are free falling back to the championship, and have players and a management team who probaly haven't got the quality or know how to stop it. or to put it into perspective, were 3 points off palace in 14th place, have a manager who has never been relegated, got us promoted twice, once absolutely hammering the league. we have a strong scouting system and I hate to mention it, beat man Utd in one of the best games I've watched. to put it into even more perspective, were now denigrating a man who only a few weeks ago, people were tipping to be the manager of england when he had finished with us. fickle little peons.
oxfordfox Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 or to put it into perspective, were 3 points off palace in 14th place, have a manager who has never been relegated, got us promoted twice, once absolutely hammering the league. we have a strong scouting system and I hate to mention it, beat man Utd in one of the best games I've watched. to put it into even more perspective, were now denigrating a man who only a few weeks ago, people were tipping to be the manager of england when he had finished with us. fickle little peons. And since the Man U game we have done what exactly? Get real. We had a good start because most of the top teams were still in a World Cup hangover, and Man U specifically had not come to terms with a new manager. After a third of the season we are where we deserve to be. Bottom. We have a manager who is without doubt great in the Championship. But at this level he is out of his depth. To stay in this division we need to bring in Pulis now.
shade Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 And since the Man U game we have done what exactly? Get real. We had a good start because most of the top teams were still in a World Cup hangover, and Man U specifically had not come to terms with a new manager. After a third of the season we are where we deserve to be. Bottom. We have a manager who is without doubt great in the Championship. But at this level he is out of his depth. To stay in this division we need to bring in Pulis now. if 8 games is enough to categorically state someone is out of their depth, in their first ever season in that league then fair enough, were very different people. I'm better.
oxfordfox Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 if 8 games is enough to categorically state someone is out of their depth, in their first ever season in that league then fair enough, were very different people. I'm better. Maybe we are looking at different league tables. The one I am looking at says we have played 13 games. One third of the season. And we are bottom. Only one club in Premier League history has been bottom at end November and finished above 17th.
oxfordfox Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 Dortmund are bottom too . . . Is Pulis in talks....?
st albans fox Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 Assuming we will need 36 points to stay up, we need another 8 points from our next 6 games to be on schedule. that's 3 wins or two wins and two draws. (Or to put it another way, the form we showed in the first half dozen games of the campaign). Likely? the way the games are going, we will be lucky to pick up 5 points which will out us on 15 at half way. anyone think we will get 21 in the second half of the season? Of course, 36 may not be enough
Clever Fox Posted 30 November 2014 Posted 30 November 2014 It's quite simple someone or a collective decision was made to give our young team a chance to see how they would get on. While things are not going to plan we haven't been thumped by anyone. I believe Pearson is only now really finding out what he has and will address it in January. Now that he has a full squad to pick from I believe thing will improve. Upson alongside Wes, Move Was or Moore to right back. Play the other in front of the back four. Konch has done ok. I'd also give Hamner a run in Goal. ( he cannot do any worse than Kasper.) Then we'll move up the table with a solid defence for starters.
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