RumbleFox Posted 2 December 2014 Author Share Posted 2 December 2014 Not a bad post in defence of the manager. Disagree on the bit about punching above our weight under O'Neal though. Three league Cup finals winning two narrowly losing one, and three top ten finishes proves in no uncertain terms that we were not punching above our weight as you put it. To prove the point the team O'Neal put together then went top of the premiership under Taylor until he started tinkering and dismantling that great team and bringing in his players the likes of which were Akinbiyi, Junior Lewis, Dennis Wise etc. I am sometimes amazed when O'Neals record at City is frowned upon as some sort of luck etc by fans who didn't witness the spectacle or were too young to remember. Hi there I think you misunderstood what I meant by punching above our weight. O'Neill is one of my heroes and in my opinion the greatest manager we have ever had. I meant that, as a result of O'Neill's genius, we were punching above our weight as in we were a better team than our size and resources should have allowed at that time. I was not saying we did not deserve to be where we were but that based on cost of squad, resources, etc we had a better team and squad than on paper we should have had the right to have. I witnessed MON's entire city career and went to a lot of the games as i lived in Leicester at the time and we were an unbelievable team. I think you thought I meant soemthing that I did not mean. We were where we were under O'Neill based on nothing but merit but we were punching above our weight in terms of where a club who had spent what we spent should have been. X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suffolk fox Posted 2 December 2014 Share Posted 2 December 2014 Hi there I think you misunderstood what I meant by punching above our weight. O'Neill is one of my heroes and in my opinion the greatest manager we have ever had. I meant that, as a result of O'Neill's genius, we were punching above our weight as in we were a better team than our size and resources should have allowed at that time. I was not saying we did not deserve to be where we were but that based on cost of squad, resources, etc we had a better team and squad than on paper we should have had the right to have. I witnessed MON's entire city career and went to a lot of the games as i lived in Leicester at the time and we were an unbelievable team. I think you thought I meant soemthing that I did not mean. We were where we were under O'Neill based on nothing but merit but we were punching above our weight in terms of where a club who had spent what we spent should have been. X Hi,. Top post, well done. Can now see your points and it is refreshing to see someone who posts well thought out replies. Unlike. Some on here who believe the best way is to post abuse or sarcastic nonsene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumbleFox Posted 2 December 2014 Author Share Posted 2 December 2014 Hi,. Top post, well done. Can now see your points and it is refreshing to see someone who posts well thought out replies. Unlike. Some on here who believe the best way is to post abuse or sarcastic nonsene. Yeah, that is why I do not come on here very often. It can be a depressing place considering we are all suposed to be Leicester fans. I do like a good conversation, informed debate though and these forums can be great places if used correctly. Gonna dip my toe back into Foxestalk and see how it goes. Come on you Foxes!! X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indierich06 Posted 2 December 2014 Share Posted 2 December 2014 Who has said that? No-one, obviously, but you know how some posters on here are prone to deliberately misinterpreting the posts of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 2 December 2014 Share Posted 2 December 2014 I wasn't talking about previous success, I said that we have a chance of establishing ourselves in the Premiership for years now and that's because of their financial backing. The fact we have the opportunity to do it is down to previous success, we only have the chance now because Pearson and his team got us promoted. If we are talking about establishing ourselves in the Premiership for years then you are getting way ahead of yourself, this season is one of survival but it isn't a waste if we don't survive, premier league experience is vital to establishing ourselves as a top flight team. Not just for the players but the manager and owners too. Dealing in the transfer market is a whole new ball game, dealing with the pressure and scrutiny of the press whilst having so few games is new to pretty much everyone involved at the club except a handful of players. You don't become an established team over night and whatever happens at the end of this season we will be in a better position financially and experience wise to become an established premier league team, the biggest risk to that is chopping and changing and throwing money around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 2 December 2014 Share Posted 2 December 2014 Who has said that? Me. I said over the summer that the Thais should nip any speculation in the bud and publically state that Pearson should stay even if we go down. I think Pearson learns slowly, but that he learns. If we went down, its my belief he'd get us straight back up, bigger and better. But we aren't doomed yet anyway. Far too early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 2 December 2014 Share Posted 2 December 2014 The fact we have the opportunity to do it is down to previous success, we only have the chance now because Pearson and his team got us promoted. If we are talking about establishing ourselves in the Premiership for years then you are getting way ahead of yourself, this season is one of survival but it isn't a waste if we don't survive, premier league experience is vital to establishing ourselves as a top flight team. Not just for the players but the manager and owners too. Dealing in the transfer market is a whole new ball game, dealing with the pressure and scrutiny of the press whilst having so few games is new to pretty much everyone involved at the club except a handful of players. You don't become an established team over night and whatever happens at the end of this season we will be in a better position financially and experience wise to become an established premier league team, the biggest risk to that is chopping and changing and throwing money around. I don't disagree. You seem to think I'm calling for him to be sacked immediately, and that I believe that would bring about instant success, which I don't. Originally I was just pointing out that keeping a manager out of 'loyalty' or to mention the fact he won the 3rd division 5 years ago is missing the point. Especially when he hasn't always been loyal to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumbleFox Posted 2 December 2014 Author Share Posted 2 December 2014 I don't disagree. You seem to think I'm calling for him to be sacked immediately, and that I believe that would bring about instant success, which I don't. Originally I was just pointing out that keeping a manager out of 'loyalty' or to mention the fact he won the 3rd division 5 years ago is missing the point. Especially when he hasn't always been loyal to us. Helo there I completely understand what you are saying but i do think you slightly mis-read my intended meanings in this post. My point is has Pearson EARNED the right to be given a chance and I feel that he has. As I have said, this is based on previous performance not on some misguided, gooey eyed ramantic loyalty. Anyway, good to see lots of people having a well rounded talk over all this. With regards to him being loyal to us? I was under the impression he felt hurt by the fact our board did nothing to stand in the way when an enquiry of is services was made and seemed happy to have him leave and have a successor all lined up? X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 2 December 2014 Share Posted 2 December 2014 Helo there I completely understand what you are saying but i do think you slightly mis-read my intended meanings in this post. My point is has Pearson EARNED the right to be given a chance and I feel that he has. As I have said, this is based on previous performance not on some misguided, gooey eyed ramantic loyalty. Anyway, good to see lots of people having a well rounded talk over all this. With regards to him being loyal to us? I was under the impression he felt hurt by the fact our board did nothing to stand in the way when an enquiry of is services was made and seemed happy to have him leave and have a successor all lined up? X Yo. I understand what you're saying, but I disagree. I don't think previous performances in the 2nd division earns you the right to a chance in the Prem even if it becomes clear you're not up to the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 2 December 2014 Share Posted 2 December 2014 even if it becomes clear you're not up to the job. At what point does it become clear, that's what many people probably disagree on. Are Steve Bruce, Dyche, Redknapp not up to the job. Two have spent a shit load more than we have, another just a bit less and they have amassed a single point more. Currently it's not clear to me if he if or isn't, if he's sacked in the next 5 games it will never be clear to me. The only way you can be 100% sure is to play the season out, even then there would be unanswered questions about budgets and recruitment. The owners had the balls a while back to play out the scenario, they backed him when the majority said he wasn't good enough and wanted him gone and the reaped the rewards of that... hopefully they aren't quick to forget that lesson even if the fans are. If the board have decided to play it cautious with funds, capping wages and only giving a small amount for transfers, would that change your mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 2 December 2014 Share Posted 2 December 2014 At what point does it become clear, that's what many people probably disagree on. The 100 million dollar question. That's why I said if not when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 2 December 2014 Share Posted 2 December 2014 Me. I said over the summer that the Thais should nip any speculation in the bud and publically state that Pearson should stay even if we go down. I think Pearson learns slowly, but that he learns. If we went down, its my belief he'd get us straight back up, bigger and better. But we aren't doomed yet anyway. Far too early. That's not what he said had been said though. I'm inclined to agree with that so long as there is improvement over the course of the season and we can see the lessons being learnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indierich06 Posted 2 December 2014 Share Posted 2 December 2014 Me. I said over the summer that the Thais should nip any speculation in the bud and publically state that Pearson should stay even if we go down. I think Pearson learns slowly, but that he learns. If we went down, its my belief he'd get us straight back up, bigger and better. But we aren't doomed yet anyway. Far too early. So you're genuinely saying you'd rather us get relegated with Pearson in charge, than change manager and stay up? If so, that's totally bizarre, Col. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumbleFox Posted 2 December 2016 Author Share Posted 2 December 2016 On 01/12/2014 at 14:48, RumbleFox said: Hi everyone, I hope you are all well? I have not posted on here in ages as I wanted to try and live a real proper life but I failed so thought I would come back. S what should we do? We are bottom of the league, playing badly and things look a bit bleak. Because of this some people are calling for Pearson's head and. whilst I do not agree with them, I do not want to just shout them down as it is quite clear to see why people might want him gone. I just think we should give him a go. I think it boils down to one question for me: "Has Pearson earned the right to be given a chance?". I think he has. It is no hyperbole to say he has been our best manager since O'Neill and he literally saved us from our lowest ebb. That sounds emotive but it is true. He restored pride to the club for me. He made me proud to be a Leicester fan again. He seemed to do everything in just the right manner and through everything he seemed to keep his dignity. I think, because of this, we should stick with him. Everyone always moans about the state of modern football and the mercenary tactics of it all then some people seem to revel in wanting a man sacked. Like I said, I understand the frustrations but I think, as I said before, he has earned the right to be given a chance in the premiership. This is his first season and it is a learning curve. I am of the mind that he will get it right, I still think we will stay up (probably by the skin of our teeth but oh well). I just would hate to see us sack him and I would hate to see him manage somewhere else. He has done nothing wrong until this season. Some of our fans seem to think we have a divine right to be in the premiership but so do the fans of about 40 other clubs in this country, Despite what some people try and claim, we punched above our weight under O'Neill. We are where we probably deserve to be based on size/fanbase/resources/etc. Somewhere within the bottom of the Premiership and the top of the Championship. That is not saying we should not aim higher or "settle" for up and down but we should have more humility about it. We will probably always be a bit of a yoyo club based on our size and fan base. Sometimes we will be in the premiership and sometimes the Championship. e might as well try and enjoy football a little bit? This is a forum and of course people can vent their frustrations but some people on here seem to forget that football is a form of entertainment. Last season was amazing and this season we have had some ups and downs so far but if we do not enjoy where we are right now we will literally never enjoy football. Of course we can get frustrated when we lose but some of the stuff on here verges on inappropriate. "We played badly I am so p1ssed off" is fine but "Pearson is a c+nt and I hate all of our players and I could do better and we should get in Pulis and I want to rub the end of my tiny nob on pearson's face whilst foaming at the mouth with bile fuelled anger that a team I support is not beating some other teams I dont support" is just mental! We may as well just go home or support Chelsea. Some of our players are not as good as some of the players in the Premiership. To me this seems fairly obvious and what more can we expect? We are just not a big club yet, we need a year or two to even get close the the level of some teams in the Premiership. What we do seem to have though is a young manager who may or may not yet come good. A young squad who may or may not just get better. A team sprirt that, although we have a had a few bad weeks, seems to still be better than it has been for years. This could or could not be the start of something. But in my opinion we may as well give it a chance. We can fecking do this!! I certainly understand people wanting Pearson out but I do not want to campaign for and revel in the sacking of soemone that seems a decent man and who has given us a bit of pride back in recent years. Basically, we are doing a wee bit shite right now and things are a little worrying but I personally feel Pearson has done enough to have earned the right to be given a chance. If he hasn't earned that right then no manager ever can. He got us promoted from League 1 to the Premiership. What else could he have done? Anyway, I love you Pearson and if you fancy a wee bumming let me know. You are a big brooding hulk of a man who I imagine is packing a serious wanger in them there tracksuits but I reckon you'll be a sensitive lover. Rumble. X Remember this bad boy? See, everything is always OK after this... I was right then and I am right now. I am always right. Everyone calm down, Rumble says it'll be OK. Let's just enjoy it all eh. Who wants a hug?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 2 December 2016 Share Posted 2 December 2016 1 hour ago, RumbleFox said: Remember this bad boy? See, everything is always OK after this... I was right then and I am right now. I am always right. Everyone calm down, Rumble says it'll be OK. Let's just enjoy it all eh. Who wants a hug?. No X at the end of this....either, this is NOT rumble...or we are in TROUBLE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 2 December 2016 Share Posted 2 December 2016 I was thinking the other day that I hadn't seen Rumble post for a long while :colthumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumbleFox Posted 2 December 2016 Author Share Posted 2 December 2016 23 minutes ago, Wookie said: I was thinking the other day that I hadn't seen Rumble post for a long while :colthumbup: I thought it was time I blessed you all with my presence again. (I had enough of here, people are basically wangdoobers on here and I was fed up). 28 minutes ago, ozleicester said: No X at the end of this....either, this is NOT rumble...or we are in TROUBLE! X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casablancas Posted 2 December 2016 Share Posted 2 December 2016 Wangdoobers? I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 2 December 2016 Share Posted 2 December 2016 I'm a big fan of Rumble. He's so positive! That said, I do see his name in the threads and read his posts with a little bit of trepidation.... usually awaiting the sexual innuendo in there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 2 December 2016 Share Posted 2 December 2016 Wangdoobers - never a truer word said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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