inckley fox Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 I agree with this .... Because we really don't get much insight into the club from any source really little things that you hear are taken as indicators about what the manager thinks. This could well be taken as "have the day off as you're doing OK" ..... Or "you've worked your socks off in training all week, have the day off and make sure you are adults on xmas day" .... We just try to guess!! Of course. And if it works out we'll say he got it right, and some people will go further and say it was a master-stroke to have that day off. But the indications seem to fit in with that impression we're getting that the manager thinks there's nothing wrong, that our performances are good, that our players are working as hard as a group of players can be expected to, and that the manager remains very close to his players, and nowhere near the point of telling them that what they're serving up is unacceptable at this level. I'd prefer to see indications which point towards a side which is facing up to its shortfalls and working tirelessly to correct them. But there is a contrast between the things our manager and players say - and, from what little we can see, their work-rate on and off the field - and that of previous, successful Leicester City teams, and even that of other, better sides in this division. Maybe we'll stay up and he'll be shown to be right for adopting what he considers to be a 'positive' approach. To me, at times, it looks more 'blinkered' than 'positive', more 'undemanding' than 'composed', but I hope I'm shown to be wrong. I still want him to stay, don't get me wrong, but I honestly believe that something needs to change and improve in him as a manager if he wishes to ever be a success in this league.
cc_star Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 We have no idea what the schedule was, they might have been doing double sessions for the three days before yesterday. Because it's not the norm doesn't mean it's the wrong decision, plenty of sides will have trained yesterday and will lose today, I don't see how missing out on a couple of hours training will make that much of a difference when they won't be training much in the next 10 days anyway. Aye!
inckley fox Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 And if we'd done it, and lost, it would have been because we trained the day before a match rather than allowing them to recharge. He can't win with some of these. I bet even if we were to win they'd call it inspite of Pearson... No, because then our training preparation - in terms of number of days trained, at least - would have been the same as Spurs'. The fact that we've chosen to train less means that, in a game in which you never have the full story, we can see one clear difference between our preparation and that of the opposition. If we do well, then we'll be forgiven for it, perhaps even praised for it. But if things go wrong then, as ignorant as it may be of what happened on other days of the week, people may point towards it. I'm surprised that anyone who is worried about their future, and whether they can be a success in their job, would leave themselves so open to this.
RowlattsFox Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Not sure what you are going to miss by not training on Xmas day. You're not going to get fitter are you? As long as the players were sensible then I see no problem.
AyewJoking Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Makes fúck all difference. If anything its a positive considering when we do train we still lose.
5waller5 Posted 26 December 2014 Author Posted 26 December 2014 Impossible to compare without knowing how we trained the rest of the week compared to the other 18 teams No one does, so there's nothing to discuss. Will only be used as a stick to beat someone up with I'm not sure why this forum exists when so many people have this view??? It's an observation (about LCFC) ..... One that Sky thought was worthy of discussion ..... Presumably, as you are visiting a forum, there must be something you'd like to discuss or learn from other forum members??? That only 2 sides from 20 didn't train yesterday I thought was a fairly valid topic to discuss.
The Doctor Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 No, because then our training preparation - in terms of number of days trained, at least - would have been the same as Spurs'. The fact that we've chosen to train less means that, in a game in which you never have the full story, we can see one clear difference between our preparation and that of the opposition. If we do well, then we'll be forgiven for it, perhaps even praised for it. But if things go wrong then, as ignorant as it may be of what happened on other days of the week, people may point towards it. I'm surprised that anyone who is worried about their future, and whether they can be a success in their job, would leave themselves so open to this. Yes, it would. It's quite clear a lot of people on here look to blame Pearson for everything. If we trained yesterday, and lost today, it'd be because we took a full training session the day before the game. Pearson can't not leave himself open to criticism, because so many are looking for anything to put him down with. Hell, some of them were even calling for him to be sacked at the end of last season and saw promotion as a means to an ends to get rid of him. This nonsense about not training christmas day doesn't matter in the slightest - it's just a half formed stick that people are using to bash Pearson, because they never wanted him back and want him out, no matter how well or poorly we do.
indierich06 Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 What's an extra training session on Christmas Day really going to achieve? I'd resent going in on Christmas Day, being taken away from my family, for a pointless kickabout. All of the training and planning for the match could easily be done before Xmas day.
5waller5 Posted 26 December 2014 Author Posted 26 December 2014 Yes, it would. It's quite clear a lot of people on here look to blame Pearson for everything. If we trained yesterday, and lost today, it'd be because we took a full training session the day before the game. Pearson can't not leave himself open to criticism, because so many are looking for anything to put him down with. Hell, some of them were even calling for him to be sacked at the end of last season and saw promotion as a means to an ends to get rid of him. This nonsense about not training christmas day doesn't matter in the slightest - it's just a half formed stick that people are using to bash Pearson, because they never wanted him back and want him out, no matter how well or poorly we do. He's a football manager ..... That's a very high profile job where criticism - both positive and negative comes from the 32000 people in the stand, the pundits, the numerous cameras, TV, Radio, and media outlets ..... We're bottom of the league - it's therefore a very brave decision to make given that the spotlight is even more finely tuned when you're in that position. What's an extra training session on Christmas Day really going to achieve? I'd resent going in on Christmas Day, being taken away from my family, for a pointless kickabout. All of the training and planning for the match could easily be done before Xmas day. Even though 90% of the rest of the league are doing exactly that??
5waller5 Posted 26 December 2014 Author Posted 26 December 2014 What's an extra training session on Christmas Day really going to achieve? I'd resent going in on Christmas Day, being taken away from my family, for a pointless kickabout. All of the training and planning for the match could easily be done before Xmas day. If a Premier League Squad training session amounts to this then I think I may have spotted why we are bottom!!!!!
inckley fox Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Impossible to compare without knowing how we trained the rest of the week compared to the other 18 teams No one does, so there's nothing to discuss. Will only be used as a stick to beat someone up with He has kind of left that stick lying around handily for someone to beat him with, though, hasn't he? First and foremost, you have to place this in the context of one of the worst ever top flight runs. Results are clear proof that there is something wrong in our preparation for games, and we know beyond any doubt that our coaching has failed to deal with long-standing shortcomings, such as set pieces. So at the moment we are wondering why we have so utterly collapsed this season, and how we have been overtaken by two sides who appeared to come into the season with inferior squads. We're scrambling around for some clue as to how and why this has happened. The manager tells us that he is very happy with his players, the players tell us that they're very happy with their manager, one player even adds that they 'can't put their finger on' what is wrong because, logically, they're being led to believe that nothing is wrong. And, in the midst of all this, we hear that we're one of only two clubs in the league who don't turn up for training the day before a game. You can see why people might draw conclusions from that. No, it doesn't tell us anything like the whole picture. But the little glimpse we've had into that full picture has fit in perfectly with lots of other worrying signs of us not adequately facing up to our deficiencies on a squad / management level. And, if this story is true (I have no idea where it came from) then we can clearly see that there has been a marked contrast in our preparation, for better or worse, and that of our opposite numbers. If it works out, Pearson will get the credit. If it doesn't, he'll have left himself open to yet more questions.
inckley fox Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Yes, it would. It's quite clear a lot of people on here look to blame Pearson for everything. If we trained yesterday, and lost today, it'd be because we took a full training session the day before the game. Pearson can't not leave himself open to criticism, because so many are looking for anything to put him down with. Hell, some of them were even calling for him to be sacked at the end of last season and saw promotion as a means to an ends to get rid of him. This nonsense about not training christmas day doesn't matter in the slightest - it's just a half formed stick that people are using to bash Pearson, because they never wanted him back and want him out, no matter how well or poorly we do. You're missing the point a little here. If we'd trained yesterday then there would have been no marked difference between our preparation and that of our opposition, so nobody would seize on it as a reason for our defeat. We have gone against the norm - which is not necessarily a bad thing - but as a result people have something to use against Pearson. And, in the context of our results, his behaviour, his post-match comments, those of players, our work-rate on the field etc., there's got to be a good chance that critics would be right to take notice of these little indicators that we're not preparing for games in the same way as other, far more successful clubs. And on another note, this isn't just a load of 'nonsense' from people who 'never wanted him back'. I did want him back, I've consistently backed him, and I continue to back him but I think there are some very real question marks over his competency at this level. It's far from unthinkable that this type of thing could be a glimpse of where he's falling short. And, crucially, if he doesn't improve as a manager - and get up to the level of all those rivals of ours (who have been preparing for the game by training the day before it) - then he will simply never be good enough at this level.
Tuna Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Yet another stick to beat Pearson with when we lose today.
AyewJoking Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Perhaps it was a session based on corner kicks which would explain why no one was there.
The Doctor Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 You're missing the point a little here. If we'd trained yesterday then there would have been no marked difference between our preparation and that of our opposition, so nobody would seize on it as a reason for our defeat. We have gone against the norm - which is not necessarily a bad thing - but as a result people have something to use against Pearson. And, in the context of our results, his behaviour, his post-match comments, those of players, our work-rate on the field etc., there's got to be a good chance that critics would be right to take notice of these little indicators that we're not preparing for games in the same way as other, far more successful clubs. And on another note, this isn't just a load of 'nonsense' from people who 'never wanted him back'. I did want him back, I've consistently backed him, and I continue to back him and I think there are some very real question marks over his competency at this level. It's far from unthinkable that this type of thing could be a glimpse of where he's falling short. They bloody well would - this forum has shown that people will look for any stick to beat the manager with. Even the sitting in the stands has been blamed for poor results. You're naive if you think that no-one would blame it for defeat, particularly if Man Utd didn't do it and won. A lot of it is - I'm not saying everyone who wants him out never wanted him back, but a lot of those most vocal about Pearson out are the ones secretly taking glee from this run, because it strengths the case to get rid of him, and they never wanted him here.
blueharmie Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 We are well on top of training a And tactics. Training not needed.
Webbo Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 What if we lose and Man U win, what will it prove?
inckley fox Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 They bloody well would - this forum has shown that people will look for any stick to beat the manager with. Even the sitting in the stands has been blamed for poor results. You're naive if you think that no-one would blame it for defeat, particularly if Man Utd didn't do it and won. A lot of it is - I'm not saying everyone who wants him out never wanted him back, but a lot of those most vocal about Pearson out are the ones secretly taking glee from this run, because it strengths the case to get rid of him, and they never wanted him here. I don't want him out personally, and I think most of those fans are hurting too right now! My old man wants him out and he's been a nightmare to talk to since we went on this run! But the point I'm making is that, if we do what 18 out of the 19 other clubs do, day in day out, then it will be hard for people to highlight any of those things as failings of the manager. They point towards him sitting in the stands because few of the other 19 managers do it, at least not as often as he does, and they point towards skipping training because 18 out of 19 other managers didn't. Anyway, I reckon we're in agreement on a more important point, which is that we both believe Pearson can take the club forward. I'm overseas today so I need to find a way of watching the game. Hopefully nobody will feel the need to discuss this later on! What if we lose and Man U win, what will it prove? That they are a lot better than us, and pretty much everyone else.
5waller5 Posted 26 December 2014 Author Posted 26 December 2014 He has kind of left that stick lying around handily for someone to beat him with, though, hasn't he? First and foremost, you have to place this in the context of one of the worst ever top flight runs. Results are clear proof that there is something wrong in our preparation for games, and we know beyond any doubt that our coaching has failed to deal with long-standing shortcomings, such as set pieces. So at the moment we are wondering why we have so utterly collapsed this season, and how we have been overtaken by two sides who appeared to come into the season with inferior squads. We're scrambling around for some clue as to how and why this has happened. The manager tells us that he is very happy with his players, the players tell us that they're very happy with their manager, one player even adds that they 'can't put their finger on' what is wrong because, logically, they're being led to believe that nothing is wrong. And, in the midst of all this, we hear that we're one of only two clubs in the league who don't turn up for training the day before a game. You can see why people might draw conclusions from that. No, it doesn't tell us anything like the whole picture. But the little glimpse we've had into that full picture has fit in perfectly with lots of other worrying signs of us not adequately facing up to our deficiencies on a squad / management level. And, if this story is true (I have no idea where it came from) then we can clearly see that there has been a marked contrast in our preparation, for better or worse, and that of our opposite numbers. If it works out, Pearson will get the credit. If it doesn't, he'll have left himself open to yet more questions. Sky Sports
The Doctor Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 I don't want him out personally, and I think most of those fans are hurting too right now! My old man wants him out and he's been a nightmare to talk to since we went on this run! But the point I'm making is that, if we do what 18 out of the 19 other clubs do, day in day out, then it will be hard for people to highlight any of those things as failings of the manager. They point towards him sitting in the stands because few of the other 19 managers do it, at least not as often as he does, and they point towards skipping training because 18 out of 19 other managers didn't. Anyway, I reckon we're in agreement on a more important point, which is that we both believe Pearson can take the club forward. I'm overseas today so I need to find a way of watching the game. Hopefully nobody will feel the need to discuss this later on! That they are a lot better than us, and pretty much everyone else. Hard, but they would still do it. I'm not talking about the ones who are asking reasonable questions, like yourself and Bilo, more the complete mongols who look for any excuse to blame him (Seenitall, igafulol etc.) - these people aren't rational with their criticisms: if one team has done something slightly different and win, then it's Nigels fault for not copying them.
MooseBreath Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Maybe they did light conditioning work at home. I'm sure all the players have got home gyms, being highly paid professional sportsmen and all. Could have easily beamed their workout data to the management team via the magic of online. Might have even trained for longer than usual due to the extra time created by not having to travel to the training ground.
MPH Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Us and Man Yanited ..... Discuss. You know what bugs me about threads like this? Its not the pointless point you make, its adding the word 'discuss' after.
MPH Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Maybe they did light conditioning work at home. I'm sure all the players have got home gyms, being highly paid professional sportsmen and all. Could have easily beamed their workout data to the management team via the magic of online. Might have even trained for longer than usual due to the extra time created by not having to travel to the training ground. I remember quite a few years ago now that on the eve of an important world cup game against Italy the Republic of Ireland team were called down to the reception of the hotel they were staying in. In the Lobby they found Jack Charlton Behind a bar pouring them all pints of Guinness. They all had 2 pints each. Basically I think 'Psychological fitness' can be just as important a benefit for a team, especially when they are under stress/ pressure.
Webbo Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 It's a judgement call, if Pearson thinks that with so many games in such a short space of time that it's better to have a day then that's understandable,
Itsthejoeker Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Just because 18 clubs turned up to their training grounds and had a Christmas get together and a run doesn't mean they had a full on training session.
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