FuriousFox46 Posted 29 December 2014 Posted 29 December 2014 I'm running a new poll, a ranking of Leicester's greatest ever managers (chosen by win rate an accolades so there's one controversial inclusion at least)http://kwiksurveys.com/s.asp?sid=xt4ch2wihmv5d0t471122If there's any I've missed which is likely given I've barely lived through any decent managers let me know.Also, I'm planning on doing a blog post ranking City's greatest ever player but need some nominations to narrow down the final poll so feel free to nominate those too.Thanks
Sampson Posted 29 December 2014 Posted 29 December 2014 I swear this poll is done on these forums about 4 or 5 times a year.
FuriousFox46 Posted 29 December 2014 Author Posted 29 December 2014 Why no Mclintock, Pleat, or Taylor? Harsh on them and Holloway not to be included Done. Thanks
ithuriel Posted 29 December 2014 Posted 29 December 2014 No Adams either, I know he eventually failed but he did do an initially good job in getting back to the Prem with no money and a number of problems eating away at the club.
StanSP Posted 29 December 2014 Posted 29 December 2014 What's the reason for this? It's over-kill having something like this every 6 months or so and there's never a definitive answer especially when it comes to players.
Fox92 Posted 29 December 2014 Posted 29 December 2014 Micky Adams should be included ahead of Sven. Unbelievable achievement given we had no money, were in administration and still finished second (granted we had Izzet and Dickov in the team). I know you're doing it on win rate but he's going to have a lower win rate given he was here for two and a half years and ended up facing Manchester United, Arsenal etc. Also, the more recent managers are going to get higher marks because the older generation who saw the older managers will have either died or aren't able to contribute to the poll.
FuriousFox46 Posted 29 December 2014 Author Posted 29 December 2014 What's the reason for this? It's over-kill having something like this every 6 months or so and there's never a definitive answer especially when it comes to players. Because it's for my blog and I like things like this, that's why, Stan. Micky Adams should be included ahead of Sven. Unbelievable achievement given we had no money, were in administration and still finished second (granted we had Izzet and Dickov in the team). I know you're doing it on win rate but he's going to have a lower win rate given he was here for two and a half years and ended up facing Manchester United, Arsenal etc. Also, the more recent managers are going to get higher marks because the older generation who saw the older managers will have either died or aren't able to contribute to the poll. No Adams either, I know he eventually failed but he did do an initially good job in getting back to the Prem with no money and a number of problems eating away at the club. Fair point, I'll add Adams
Clever Fox Posted 29 December 2014 Posted 29 December 2014 Mike Kelly never got the credit he deserved. Kept us in the championship with no Players no Money and no support from the Chairman.
FuriousFox46 Posted 31 December 2014 Author Posted 31 December 2014 Here are the results; http://thechriswhitingshow.wordpress.com/2014/12/31/leicester-citys-top-10-greatest-managers/Thanks to everyone who voted
inckley fox Posted 31 December 2014 Posted 31 December 2014 Mike Kelly never got the credit he deserved. Kept us in the championship with no Players no Money and no support from the Chairman. Who is Mike Kelly?
MHC Posted 31 December 2014 Posted 31 December 2014 Who is Mike Kelly? Rob Kelly? Matt Gillies - manager Gary Lineker - player
Clever Fox Posted 31 December 2014 Posted 31 December 2014 Who is Mike Kelly? Sorry, Typo error meant to say Rob Kelly. Mike Kelly is a friend of mine.
The Blue Moon Posted 31 December 2014 Posted 31 December 2014 Pearson 4th just shows you the kind of retards that voted. I like the guy but come on, achieved less than Micky Adams thus far (Micky had a team going out of business, Nigel had biggest budget in Championship). Pearson should be 9th or 10th so far.
inckley fox Posted 31 December 2014 Posted 31 December 2014 Rob Kelly? Matt Gillies - manager Gary Lineker - player Yes, I assume it's Kelly. And the guy was right, he did a perfectly respectable job. He turned us around in 06 and we had enough points to stay up when he left in 07. And I wouldn't argue with Lineker either. I would, however, argue with Gillies. I suppose his keeping us in the top flight back in 58 or 59 can be equated with O'Neill getting us promoted in 96 but resources at the club were not comparable to the shoestring budgets of the mid-90s. Back then, even though fans would pressure the Shipmans for more funds, we still broke a British transfer record. Could you have imagined us doing that under O'Neill? It should also be added that, while O'Neill only attended training once or twice a week, Gillies would go missing for months on end. He wouldn't even attend games, and leave it all with Bert Johnson (I think). He wasn't even a manager in the sense that we understand nowadays. In addition, the team yo-yo'd massively. They did make two FA Cup Finals when the Cup was almost of equal importance to the league, but they didn't win them. They looked like they might compete for a league once, but they didn't win it. And this was in a day when the league was far less exclusive than it is now, it was perfectly plausible for a side like Leicester are now to win it. However, in the season when Gillies was forced out, we ended up getting relegated with a relatively well-resourced side. And the fans wanted him gone at the time. O'Neill on the other hand won four straight top half finishes in an incredibly exclusive Premier League, with a very poorly resourced side. He very nearly broke even on signings. And he was feted at Leicester. O'Neill was expected to get relegated and he not only kept us up, but massively exceeded expectations. Even if we park expectations and promotions and finances to one side, what did the two managers actually win at Leicester? Gillies' team won a League Cup and nothing more. In the mid-90s the League Cup was taken more seriously than it is now, but in its formative years it was treated as a complete triviality and the final wasn't even played at Wembley. O'Neill's two trophies were a far greater achievement than Gillies' one. In short, I don't know whether it's nostalgia or simply interesting for people to argue that someone other than O'Neill was our best boss (some people argue it was Willie Orr - I met a club history expert who explained to me in detail why this opinion was totally laughable - and it is; he wrecked one of our best ever teams and then his career fell apart in a corruption scandal), but I can say for sure that Gillies didn't come anywhere near him.
inckley fox Posted 31 December 2014 Posted 31 December 2014 Pearson 4th just shows you the kind of retards that voted. I like the guy but come on, achieved less than Micky Adams thus far (Micky had a team going out of business, Nigel had biggest budget in Championship). Pearson should be 9th or 10th so far. Perhaps they're taking Pearson's first reign into account, and the fact that he hasn't suffered a relegation yet, and remembering that Adams' legacy of a squad full of 30+ year olds on one-year deals would immediately precede the most unsuccessful decade in the club's history. Administration also enabled him to keep his squad together. I haven't seen the ranking so far. I voted but can't see how it's possible to access the results without voting all over again. But Pearson, while he has only ever matched expectations at the club (they were very strong favourites from promotion before he arrived in 2008, and again before he returned in 2011 - AND he took 2 and a half years to actually win his promotion), has had a massively positive impact. Of course there are plenty of bosses out there who would have equalled and even improved on his achievements, but in an era when nobody else seemed capable of pulling it off, he was the manager who actually did. Out of curiosity, who are the 8 or 9 managers you would have placed above Pearson? Because I can only think of O'Neill, Gillies (even though we were going down when he left), Bloomfield (even though he never won a promotion, or anything else) and - far more debatable - Hodge, Orr, Milne, Little and Halliday. I can't see how Adams, Wallace, Bullock, O'Farrell etc. could even come close. That said, 4th is incredibly generous. But then again, if you've ever read Grewks' posts, there are those who think he's our most important manager ever. Which is, obviously, pure insanity.
The Doctor Posted 31 December 2014 Posted 31 December 2014 Pearson 4th just shows you the kind of retards that voted. I like the guy but come on, achieved less than Micky Adams thus far (Micky had a team going out of business, Nigel had biggest budget in Championship). Pearson should be 9th or 10th so far. Eh, people tend to vote for those they can remember - a lot of members would only have seen the likes of O'Neill, Adams, sven and Pearson so results will be skewed as such.
Corky Posted 31 December 2014 Posted 31 December 2014 Pearson 4th just shows you the kind of retards that voted. I like the guy but come on, achieved less than Micky Adams thus far (Micky had a team going out of business, Nigel had biggest budget in Championship). Pearson should be 9th or 10th so far. Adams had Izzet, Walker, Dickov, Deane, Elliott, Taggart, Sinclair- Premier League players who'd won cups and international caps. Yes we had no money but a fantastic squad at that level. Pearson had biggest budget in the league? Must've missed QPR's huge wage bill and signings of Austin, Phillips etc.
ADK Posted 31 December 2014 Posted 31 December 2014 I couldn't rate managers from different eras, things have changed and you can't just go off statistics. I can only rate managers from O'Neil onwards and it would be 1. O'Neil 2. Pearson >>>>>>>>>>> everyone else.
phg Posted 31 December 2014 Posted 31 December 2014 I couldn't rate managers from different eras, things have changed and you can't just go off statistics. I can only rate managers from O'Neil onwards and it would be 1. O'Neil 2. Pearson >>>>>>>>>>> everyone else. Yes O'Neil - promotion, trophies, Europe, top half finishes, going to Anfield disappointed to come away with anything less than 3 points. Difficult record to better for a club of our size / history.
The Blue Moon Posted 31 December 2014 Posted 31 December 2014 OK I'll give you that Micky v Pearson is an argument Pearsonites might win, I was just finding a modern day example. But come on 4th greatest LCFC manager of all time? Countless managers have sustained us in the top tier and at least challenged for silverware if not won it. Most of it with comparatively less resources than Pearson, past managers have always had to sell. So far Pearson has done well to get us there but we're rock bottom. He's got a long way to go to be our 4th greatest manager. Anyway let's get some more booze in us and get stuck into the scousers tomorrow!
The Doctor Posted 31 December 2014 Posted 31 December 2014 OK I'll give you that Micky v Pearson is an argument Pearsonites might win, I was just finding a modern day example. But come on 4th greatest LCFC manager of all time? Countless managers have sustained us in the top tier and at least challenged for silverware if not won it. Most of it with comparatively less resources than Pearson, past managers have always had to sell. So far Pearson has done well to get us there but we're rock bottom. He's got a long way to go to be our 4th greatest manager. Anyway let's get some more booze in us and get stuck into the scousers tomorrow! And how many people have seen the teams under those managers - how many are around who can remember the likes of Hodge? Pearson gets a lot of votes because he's one we've all seen the reign of. This site is quite a young one, the results will be skewed towards the more recent managers.
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