Rincewind Posted 12 January 2015 Author Posted 12 January 2015 Why. Because I agree with you? This bloke does need help. We do not know his full circumstances like what type of job he had or his skills. He said his marriage broke down so that could have had an affect. I found it difficult going from £200 to £70 and it wasn't until somebody told me I had to cut down a lot more than I was doing that things improved. If a person has Sky TV etc and is made redundant it is not easy to get out of the contracts for them. They may think it will only be a short time out of work but it doesn't take long for savings to go down and before you realise you are in debt. At job centres the focus seems to be on punishing rather than helping or giving advice. They are quick to sanction even those that missed appointments while at job interviews. The JSA is stopped immediately. As it said a tier system would be better. A warning and explanation of why it has been given. The long term unemployed and persistent offenders should be targeted not those who may have mental issues or missed an appointment through illness or other minor reason.
Webbo Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 My wife works at Asda and most of the food thrown away is because the staff don't do their job properly. Deliveries aren't stored properly and they don't rotate the stock. The idea that a supermarket would buy food have it delivered to the store and then go to the expense of having it dumped just to keep the price high is silly really.
Rincewind Posted 12 January 2015 Author Posted 12 January 2015 Since when has having a good credit rating and a bank account been the preserve of the wealthy. What a ridiculous statement. If you have minus zero in the bank you will not be able to get a loan or a credit card and when signing up for a phone contract you fill out a DD form and need enough going in to pay the phone company. I never said it was exclusive to the wealthy, just that you need to be having enough income to cover it. If that means cutting out other things they will not give a damn.
DennisNedry Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 People in work pay a very large amount of tax that goes towards being spent on welfare. If that money was spent responsibly and fairly, we wouldn't have these problems like this bloke has. See that story about Abu Hamza's wife and kids getting a free house and benefits posted yesterday for an example of just how disgusting some of the injustices are. The answer isn't putting more money into welfare, the answer is to distribute it better.
AspectFox Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 The solution to this really isn't increasing benefits to the point that people can seamlessly move from employment to benefits without any pain or difficulty. The solution is to help people through that difficulty. This guy clearly needs some help to sort himself out to a point where he can make ends meet. To be honest, as someone with a lot of expenses, I can imagine it would be bloody hard to step from spending £4-5k a month to under a grand in a short time. Clearly while benefits may be adequate, the system providing them is not. People are being sanctioned etc and the admin is a nightmare. I seriously think if you stopped all that shit and invested the resources in helping people learn how to live on their benefits as well as how to get skills and find work you would have a far more effective benefit system. I would find it awfully hard restricting my outgoings to as low as 4-5 k a month, never mind a thousand! The injustice of not being able to spend more than 5k a month would send me to the brink!
Rincewind Posted 12 January 2015 Author Posted 12 January 2015 I would find it awfully hard restricting my outgoings to as low as 4-5 k a month, never mind a thousand! The injustice of not being able to spend more than 5k a month would send me to the brink! Then I sincerely you are never restricted to £280 a month.
Buce Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 I would find it awfully hard restricting my outgoings to as low as 4-5 k a month, never mind a thousand! The injustice of not being able to spend more than 5k a month would send me to the brink! Yeah, drug addiction is a terrible thing...
yorkie1999 Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 My wife works at Asda and most of the food thrown away is because the staff don't do their job properly. Deliveries aren't stored properly and they don't rotate the stock. The idea that a supermarket would buy food have it delivered to the store and then go to the expense of having it dumped just to keep the price high is silly really. Course it's silly, its thrown away at the distribution places that sort and pick the stuff so only perfect produce gets delivered to the store, if a crate containing a thousand tins of beans is damaged, the whole lot gets dumped as its quicker than sorting through a thousand tins of beans, and the reason for that is profit.
Webbo Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 Course it's silly, its thrown away at the distribution places that sort and pick the stuff so only perfect produce gets delivered to the store, if a crate containing a thousand tins of beans is damaged, the whole lot gets dumped as its quicker than sorting through a thousand tins of beans, and the reason for that is profit. According to my wife they'd take out the good tins and claim for the damaged tins from the manufacturer.
Rincewind Posted 12 January 2015 Author Posted 12 January 2015 People in work pay a very large amount of tax that goes towards being spent on welfare. If that money was spent responsibly and fairly, we wouldn't have these problems like this bloke has. See that story about Abu Hamza's wife and kids getting a free house and benefits posted yesterday for an example of just how disgusting some of the injustices are. The answer isn't putting more money into welfare, the answer is to distribute it better. I take that story about Abu Hanza with the same pinch of salt that you would about a person struggling to exist on £71pw/ Do the benefits include HB Child benefit?
Jon the Hat Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 I would find it awfully hard restricting my outgoings to as low as 4-5 k a month, never mind a thousand! The injustice of not being able to spend more than 5k a month would send me to the brink! That was my entertainment budget
sphericalfox Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 Yeah, drug addiction is a terrible thing... I'm sure his medication is subsidised by the taxpayer.
AspectFox Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 Its the throwing away of 3 1/2 million tonnes of food a year to keep prices high, which in turn is the measure the government use to set inflation, which is disgusting. Like the guy says, he doesn't want charity and food banks, he wants to be able to afford to buy his own food.Is is slightly preposterous to suggest that because companies throw food away it keeps prices high. I'm yet to see one person in my 44 years that couldn't earn money should they be prepared to focus enough, regardless of affliction. I could make a living lying in bed with a laptop if I needed to. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Buce Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 I'm sure his medication is subsidised by the taxpayer. Yeah, but who pays his carers?
sphericalfox Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 Yeah, but who pays his carers? Clearly not doing a good job, what with all this internet access.
Nalis Posted 12 January 2015 Posted 12 January 2015 The solution to this really isn't increasing benefits to the point that people can seamlessly move from employment to benefits without any pain or difficulty. The solution is to help people through that difficulty. This guy clearly needs some help to sort himself out to a point where he can make ends meet. To be honest, as someone with a lot of expenses, I can imagine it would be bloody hard to step from spending £4-5k a month to under a grand in a short time. Clearly while benefits may be adequate, the system providing them is not. People are being sanctioned etc and the admin is a nightmare. I seriously think if you stopped all that shit and invested the resources in helping people learn how to live on their benefits as well as how to get skills and find work you would have a far more effective benefit system. Whilst most people would appreciate the help, there would be a backlash from a minority as the assistance wouldn't provide enough of an excuse
ozleicester Posted 23 January 2015 Posted 23 January 2015 1 per cent of the world will own more than half its wealth by 2016, Oxfam report says http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-20/oxfam-say-wealth-inequality-joblessness-on-the-rise/6027744 Quite simply, here lies the problem. Too few with too much
Collymore Posted 23 January 2015 Posted 23 January 2015 Sainsburys 500g beef mince Can of chopped tomatoes Red kidney beans Colman's chilli co carne mix White rice 1kg bag. Chilli con carne made for £5.60 and would last you around 5 days if you froze it. I'd be very surprised even if someone is jobless if they couldn't afford to make that. Your forgetting tomato puree and a bit of natural yoghurt. I also would recommend 2 tins of tomato with garlic. It can only be extra lean mince too... A bottle of chateaux neur to wash it down And aunt bessies apple pie and custard. All for £56. Don't bother freezing, feed to birds or throw down man hole when no one's looking....
Webbo Posted 23 January 2015 Posted 23 January 2015 1 per cent of the world will own more than half its wealth by 2016, Oxfam report says http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-20/oxfam-say-wealth-inequality-joblessness-on-the-rise/6027744 Quite simply, here lies the problem. Too few with too much Why, what difference does it make to you?
ozleicester Posted 23 January 2015 Posted 23 January 2015 Why, what difference does it make to you? Sorry i dont understand the question?
Webbo Posted 23 January 2015 Posted 23 January 2015 Sorry i dont understand the question? As long as you've got enough to live on why does it matter if some people have more? 1% have a lot of money, so what?
ozleicester Posted 23 January 2015 Posted 23 January 2015 As long as you've got enough to live on why does it matter if some people have more? 1% have a lot of money, so what? Ohh i see this is satire, sorry missed that
Webbo Posted 23 January 2015 Posted 23 January 2015 Ohh i see this is satire, sorry missed that You've still not explained why it's a problem.
ozleicester Posted 23 January 2015 Posted 23 January 2015 You've still not explained why it's a problem. WUM ok, sure why not. If more than half the world lives in poverty, then its a problem. People starving, people dying from lack of clean water. And if that 1% wanted to, they could end it. 1. Nearly 1/2 of the world’s population — more than 3 billion people — live on less than $2.50 a day. More than 1.3 billion live in extreme poverty, that's less than $1.25 a day. 2. 1 billion children worldwide are living in poverty. According to UNICEF, 22,000 children die each day due to poverty. 3. 870 million people worldwide do not have enough food to eat. Food banks are especially important in providing food for people that can’t afford it themselves. Run a food drive outside your local grocery store so people in your community have enough to eat. Sign up for 4. More than 1 billion people lack adequate access to clean drinking water and an estimated 400 million of these are children. Because unclean water yields illness, roughly 443 million school days are missed every year. 5. In 2011, 165 million children under the age 5 were stunted (reduced rate of growth and development) due to chronic malnutrition. 6. Preventable diseases like diarrhea and pneumonia take the lives of 2 million children a year who are too poor to afford proper treatment. 7. As of 2011, 19 million children worldwide are not vaccinated. 8. 1/4 of all humans live without electricity — approximately 1.6 billion people. 9. 80% of the world population lives on less than $10 a day. 10. In 1998, the UN estimated that it would take $40 billion annually to offer basic education, clean water and sanitation, reproductive health, and basic health and nutrition to every person in every developing country. That would be about $58 billion today. 11. The World Food Programme says, “The poor are hungry and their hunger traps them in poverty.” Hunger is the number 1 cause of death in the world, killing more than HIV/AIDS, malaria, and tuberculosis combined.
Buce Posted 23 January 2015 Posted 23 January 2015 As long as you've got enough to live on why does it matter if some people have more? 1% have a lot of money, so what? It's called having a social conscience; just because you and I have enough, as Oz points out, billions don't. It's immoral that billions live that way while a handful of people have more wealth than they can possibly spend. It's simply a question of social justice.
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