Fatty Arbuckle Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 Agree with the O.P. about needing a Muzzy type player. As I said last night too, his loyalty to Wes is baffling. Don't get me wrong, he Captained us to victory last season and in the Championship, he was head and shoulders above most but as I said the day we brought him from Forest - he is not a quick defender. Perhaps we need a big brute at the back but I think Wasyl is more apt for that as he can at least be a bit more mobile across the ground; I've lost count how many times Morgan has gone to ground this season. Konchesky - was very pleased when we first signed him (as there are few Championship teams that could brag a LB with as much experience) and he is steady but he is not getting any younger and with the likes of Charlie Austin running at you full kilter, we are looking increasingly more and more out of our depth at the back. Hopefully it isn't too late and I believe we will have more new faces in before the window shuts, but, yesterday all that hard work was undone and mostly due to Nigel's own stupidity (namely with Albrighton!) Never mind a Muzzy type player...Muzzy himself would probably do a better job than Drinkwater and King managed on Saturday. That pairing has never worked well, and I can't remember Drinkwater having a decent game yet this season. It's funny how he never seems to run to the fans cupping his ears when he's as crap as he has been!
Burbage Fox Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 And managerial know -how... Pearson got the team selection and crucial decisions WRONG yesterday.. Pulis and Pardew do the opposite!... Wba and Palace will survive.. We won't!!! What is the point of this post? This is our team, this what we have, these players were good enough to get us into the premier league, but now we are here, they suddenly are not good enough? Every player has his off days, yesterday the problem was midfield, Drinky and King are not the best midfield pairing, against Vile we dominated them in midfield with James and Hammond, Cambaisso has undoubted class, but not a lot of pace any more (was never the quickest player anyway). Nuge runs his legs off every game no matter where he is asked to play, he is a credit to the club, same as Vardy, the finishing has been woeful at times, but if scoring goals was easy, then strikers wouldnt be the most expensive players on the pitch. Konch is past his prime, sure, but it would be hard to find a replacement with half as much experience that would join us and not ask for 70k a week. I really dont know why you are picking out players like Moore and not saying he is good enough for the prem, the lad is 21 years old there are not many better 21 year old centre backs in the game right now, a few more years he will be playing the football of his life, give him chance. The step from Championship to Prem is a big one and we were never going to walk this league after being away for so long. We are however, in touch with the teams above us, all the results yesterday went our way and we have as much chance as anyone of staying up, be positive support our lads, dont be a negative nelly. Just because players were good enough in the championship does not mean they are good enough for the PL. They have all been given their chance and if Pearson had been knowledgable enough about the PL then he might be able to see that one of Drinkwater, James, King, Hammond may be good enough to play alongside a strong experienced PL midfield player and that above all else is the area we should have strengthend in. Cambiasso was never going to dominate and Stokes midfield on Saturday ran rings round ours. Given our next 5 matches we are doomed.. not because of these games but because of not beating Burnley , WBA, Sunderland and Stoke at home... Awful tactics and PL understanding. Rotherham here we come
Saladin Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 THIS will be the game where we well and truly shafted it. I was hopeful after last week, now I'm realistic. I can see us going down.
Dan Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 Andy King and Drinkwater vs Nzonzi alone would be an issue. Our line-up was poor. I agree with that but you can't exactly blame him for that one considering we were missing most midfielders.
iamafox Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 Judging by what most of you have posted, we may as well just forfeit the remaining games and accept relegation. And this was after losing for the first time in four games. We are only 3 points off safety. Unbelievable.
nickelbyfox Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 Agree with the OP - and as he eluded really think we need our full backs to overlap, this would help give the midfield more options and could lead us to having more possession
psychonaut Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 Judging by what most of you have posted, we may as well just forfeit the remaining games and accept relegation. And this was after losing for the first time in four games. We are only 3 points off safety. Unbelievable. True although I think it was the manner of the defeat combined with the frustrating tactics. You also have to remember the run of fixtures we have coming up and bar palace this was maybe seen as a chance to make a little ground before what could be another bleak period of results.
Babylon Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 True although I think it was the manner of the defeat combined with the frustrating tactics. You also have to remember the run of fixtures we have coming up and bar palace this was maybe seen as a chance to make a little ground before what could be another bleak period of results. We were missing three CM's and our best winger, with our starting centre mids only just returning from injury. I'm amazed that so many people seem to have not seen this coming.
BlueJoe Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 And I am not saying relegation is guaranteed, i'm simply questioning what the hell is going wrong, I've not stated that I know, I have actually asked other posters why they think we are where we are, when it seems obvious to most on here that we've made bloody awful decisions. And I think we may have missed the boat on changing the manager, not that I perticularly want too, but if pearson carries on with such odd decisions I can't see us staying up. which is why I questioned it. Think the issue here isn't that people aren't guaranteeing relegation but the fact that we haven't picked up points against the people we needed to. Palace away, burley home, QPR away etc etc... If we had then dropping three points to Stoke wouldn't have mattered. All these fans saying the negativity isn't valid are bonkers. Fundamentally if we don't make a significant improvement over the next 3 months we are going down and it'll be years until we bounce back (statistically). Yes that improvement may happen but when we keep doing the same things it's insanity to think that things are going to change. So don't sit there and tell me I'm wrong, negative or 'not getting behind the team' because I can blatantly see the team not moving forward. After all, I'm just not insane!!!
psychonaut Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 We were missing three CM's and our best winger, with our starting centre mids only just returning from injury. I'm amazed that so many people seem to have not seen this coming. I'm still unsure as to what our best CM pairing is. Maybe a lot of people did see it coming but I can empathise with the frustrations - we had momentum - we couldve been out of the bottom 3 plus we play 4 of the best teams in the league in our next 6 games. It's a slightly depressing way of looking at things but the season has been slightly depressing. Mind you no point dwelling on the past - I'm sure there is an equally positive way of looking at things too.
st albans fox Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 ill tell what i think on the 2nd feb it may not really be nigel's fault (or terry's)
Kitchandro Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 Meh. I still think people are conveniently ignoring the matches where we've bossed the midfield. Last week for example. Our squad is certainly no worse than Burnley's who are outside the bottom 3. I don't accept the players were performing to the best of their ability on Saturday at all. In fact I don't even accept they were all giving 100%. Pearson's team selection is at times very poor, which doesn't help (leaving in form/better players on the bench), but also, there are players who really let themselves down on Saturday. Stoke wanted it more than us and our players looked half asleep from minute 1. No, I'm starting to think mentally and tactically is where we fail most of all.
cheshamfox17 Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 On the discussion of posession, Aleti recently had 18% after 40 minuets agaisnt Real Madrid and still got a result agaisnt them
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 are you people actually serious? we've been playing brilliant recently but we've had one slip up so we're definitely going to get relegated? unbelievable, we have our 3 best cm's out so it's hardly surprising we struggled to keep the ball, not to mention drinkwater's just back from injury so can't have been fully fit.
ADK Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 Only one that worries me is Vardy. Hasn't looked good enough once this season. Yet he is clearly a favourite of Pearson and he is being given too much game time.
shailen Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 we are around where many at the start of the season had us. In a relegation dog fight. Our performances have warranted us more, without question, however we havent had the quality to turn our performances into results. I think it is fine lines with us atm, just a little bit more is needed. Spare a thought for teams like Hull City, who on paper have a better squad then most, but are struggling almost as much as us. Results elsewhere has meant that we are still in the same situation going into the united game. keep the faith all
chapero82 Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 Look at our fixtures and we need 8 wins tell me who you think will we beat to stay up? I'm being honest and looking at how we played against a few of them teams I can see us only getting a few more points
Fox Ulike Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 as I've previously said, there was nothing else we could have done with that midfield, and it was always going to get overrun, because 4-4-2 simply won't work against the formation Stoke played, and the personel they played in it. We didn't have the players available to combat Stoke's set up, as a result we had to work hard at trying to contain them as best as we could and take a chance when it fell. Unfortunately they took theirs, we didn't. Fine margins. Yes. King and Drinkwater just don't work well together as a midfield partnership. However, they don't have much chance when they are up against 3 players. But OK maybe injuries forced our hand there. With Nugent back in the side, the 4-4-1-1 offers us a little more cover in midfield, but it's not the same as having a midfield with 3 dedicated CMs. I find it unfathomable for us to play with two wide players and two 5 foot 10 strikers. What's the tactic there? Play in low crosses? I don't understand how the wingers are supposed to work with Vardy? Also, for Vardy to be ahead of Ulloa makes no sense. I can understand starting Kramaric on the bench but Ulloa? We effectively dropped the only guy who has scored goals for us this season - and surprise surprise ended up with a big fat 0 goals again. Bizarre. Finally. Tom Lawrence, with his 6 games for Rotherham United is now considered ahead of an in-form Marc Albrighton, with 6 years of Premiership experience??? WTF Pearson?
Monsell1976 Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 Meh. I still think people are conveniently ignoring the matches where we've bossed the midfield. Last week for example. Our squad is certainly no worse than Burnley's who are outside the bottom 3. I don't accept the players were performing to the best of their ability on Saturday at all. In fact I don't even accept they were all giving 100%. Pearson's team selection is at times very poor, which doesn't help (leaving in form/better players on the bench), but also, there are players who really let themselves down on Saturday. Stoke wanted it more than us and our players looked half asleep from minute 1. No, I'm starting to think mentally and tactically is where we fail most of all. If your right, and I don't think it's far off, it would be appalling from players to management that a team fighting relegation isn't going out to give 100%.
biggs Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 Look at our fixtures and we need 8 wins tell me who you think will we beat to stay up? I'm being honest and looking at how we played against a few of them teams I can see us only getting a few more points I'm looking at 3 pts out of the relegation spots. We are not adrift at this point and still have everything to play for. Still convinced we'll stay up with a few new faces. I'm cautiously optimistic Pearson will make those changes we require.
Pen 3 Posted 19 January 2015 Posted 19 January 2015 Yes. But it's easy being an arm-chair manager! In most things in life you get rewarded for achieving what you've been set. We all get carried away (and every team does) when they go up for the first time or after a long break from the PL, but to become an established mid-league premier league side is a huge ask. My head says two things: the side that gets you up isn't the one that keeps you there, and spend wisely. It would have looked harsh and also been brutal but no sooner had we made it safe (promotion) and we should have been bringing in the players to keep us in the PL. The back four and midlfied needed around £15m each spending on them along side our attack. We've only just got enough attacking options in and there's little time left to bring in a major signings elsewhere. God knows what we do at the back as it's been very poor....On the other hand my heart is saying it's our style of play and our lack of grit and passion and self-belief that is missing and from that point of view sheer hard work and determination can keep you in the PL, you have to admire Burnley and Palace recently...it's their style of play and i've not seen anything similar from us except on one or two occasions...I do hope the squad pull it off mind and then i can happily eat my words!
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