Babylon Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 But that position is on the pitch, not the bench. Of which he's started two games and come on as sub in two. You seriously telling me you didn't expect him to have an adaption period like we do with most players?
Babylon Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Time..... LMFAO....... We have 3 months left of the season... If we were a couple off the bottom and a point here or there then yes BUT we are only still in this race because the teams around us are shit not because we are picking points up! Really?
walkerleeds Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Time..... LMFAO....... We have 3 months left of the season... If we were a couple off the bottom and a point here or there then yes BUT we are only still in this race because the teams around us are shit not because we are picking points up! Yes, time. Had we sacked him after Watford where would we be now? The very fact he got us here after the last decade of mediocre nonsense means he deserves the full season at it. That's not me being a 'Pearsonite' or whatever, that's a rational reason most want him to stay.
Kitchandro Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Of which he's started two games and come on as sub in two. You seriously telling me you didn't expect him to have an adaption period like we do with most players? So why did he not need an adaptation period in the first two games but then all of a sudden he did against Palace? There was never going to be any time for him to settle, presumably we bought him in the hope he would help keep us up. Well Saturday was when we needed such a player to deliver. To not start him was absolute madness and totally inexcusable.
nixdas Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Nigel Pearson has done a terrific job for us so far! Yes some of his antics of late have not helped at all!! He is probably out of his depth but every manager needs a chance. I am torn about this situation but we played really well against Palace, we couldnt get the goal! Lets hope he gets a decent result against Arsenal.. A draw would be amazing! We are only 4 points from safety if other teams dont get a result. We are still very much in it! Changing the manager at this stage would be stupid and also who could we actually bring in?? Tim Sherwood? He is probably settled in London and will take the QPR job. I actually can't think of anyone that can take the helm now and keep us up. Pearson really needs to pull it out the bag because it is probably his last chance but I think we should stick with him until the end of the season or at least have a replacement in place before sacking him!
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 What a farce. Where did that sacking statement come about. Hilarious. Pleased he's still here, hopefully until the end of the season. If we stay up then he will have done well, if not then he will be a proven waste of space. We will all have the true answer.
BlueJoe Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 I'd forgot we'd list to villa and Liverpool this year Wow, two games!!! I'm completely wrong!!! I'm sorry!!! Leicester City fans are as fickle as you lot keep saying but only because you seem incapable of remembering the 12+ games we didn't get any points just because we got a few points over the Christmas period! The difference between us, Burnley, Hull and Sunderland is the fact we lose games and they draw them so don't sit there and say "we drew against Liverpool" its ****ing bullsh*t!!! As for Villa we beat a relegation rival at home... Well I'm glad I sent my hard earn cash to support my team that day!!! FUNDAMENTALLY we are a better team than 20th but when we play like we did against Palace at home we don't deserve to be in any other position and where else can I point the finger? The players? We have players on the bench that have had very good games for us but then have been dropped so why haven't others been dropped? The board/owners? They have written off £millions of debt are 100% financially committed to the cause The fans? I sing my lungs out each week, I pay my season ticket fees, I bought the shirts (all 3 this year) and I'm doing what I can So who else is there....................................................................................................................................................................................................................
Jon the Hat Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 No one wants to be relegated, but saying you think Pearson deserves this season and a shot at a second promotion is not some irrational nonsense. I don't remember when being relegated or even looking likely to be meant you tore up 3 years hard work and started again, but I think it is a stupid idea. We would no doubt be stronger with a relegation and subsequent promotion than we would be this season, as Pearson and his team will have a much better idea of what we need to survive.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Dangerous Tiger seen being carted off in a straight jacket rumour. Love it. Was it on the early morning news?
Jon the Hat Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 What a farce. Where did that sacking statement come about. Hilarious. Pleased he's still here, hopefully until the end of the season. If we stay up then he will have done well, if not then he will be a proven waste of space. We will all have the true answer. No, we will have proven that staying in the Premier league is difficult!
Kent Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 What a farce. Where did that sacking statement come about. Hilarious. Pleased he's still here, hopefully until the end of the season. If we stay up then he will have done well, if not then he will be a proven waste of space. We will all have the true answer. Why does it have to be as black and white as 'if we get relegated he's a proven waste of space'? Granted if we do go down the season will obviously be seen as a failure but why would that automatically make him a waste of space/terrible manager/completely out of his depth? We might get relegated by massively fine margins on goal difference on the last day of the season or something like that, you never know. I just don't see how it can be so black and white.
BlueJoe Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 No one wants to be relegated, but saying you think Pearson deserves this season and a shot at a second promotion is not some irrational nonsense. I don't remember when being relegated or even looking likely to be meant you tore up 3 years hard work and started again, but I think it is a stupid idea. We would no doubt be stronger with a relegation and subsequent promotion than we would be this season, as Pearson and his team will have a much better idea of what we need to survive. So Pearson didn't have an idea of what was needed to survive before the Jan window???
Babylon Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 So why did he not need an adaptation period in the first two games but then all of a sudden he did against Palace? There was never going to be any time for him to settle, presumably we bought him in the hope he would help keep us up. Well Saturday was when we needed such a player to deliver. To not start him was absolute madness and totally inexcusable. Because one was a cup game for starters. I've already said myself that I'm more surprised he started the Man U game, rather than being surprised he didn't start against against Palace (I'd called that one pre match myself). He played in the two games seen as low risk compared to the other two. If Pearson thinks he's not quite ready yet, then those two are the two most obvious games for him to play in to try and bring him up to speed. We would have hoped he'd settle straight away, but nothing is guaranteed. What do you do, play someone you know isn't 100% ready yet to please fans who have no idea of the whole story, that is more inexcusable than not picking him in my book. The lad might still keep us up, beat Burnley, QPR and Hull and we could be there or there abouts.
LanguedocFox Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 While, trying to be objective, I believe a change makes sense - especially if we intend to stay up - I'm also a big supporter of what Pearson has done for us, so it's hardly a disappointment to have him in charge. Plus the confusion may actually provide us with that 'wake-up moment' he's struggled to bring about. The confusion could even tell us something about what went wrong in the transfer market - it's not so much that the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing, it's more that they are totally at odds with one another. However, it's worth pointing out that moving a manager on has often worked out well for us in the short-term: we sacked Hamilton and stayed up under Pleat, sacked Pleat and stayed up under Lee, sacked Levein and stayed up under Kelly, sacked Sousa and shot up the table under Sven, sacked Sven and went up (eventually) under Pearson. Even involuntary mid-season changes in manager haven't always gone wrong - while it fell flat for McGhee and Levein, it worked out fine for O'Neill. And some of our other mid-season managerial departures might not have had an immediate impact, but made sense nonetheless in the long run (Taylor, arguably even Allen and Megson). So the picture on that score is far from clear. We're worried about it happening because of how long we spent falling apart after O'Neill left, though that has less to do with substandard managers and more to do with other circumstances. Ultimately our years in the shade owe a lot to Taylor; first with relegation, then financial collapse, then the fact that Adams, Levein, Kelly all had to work within the limitations of that financial collapse, and finally the haphazard attempts to recover from it in the early Mandaric era. Bringing in a new manager is always scary, but if you look at the names who have kept sides in this league, or even won promotion to it, then it's clear that the most unlikely names can work out. So maybe we shouldn't be too terrified by the prospect, especially if we have a stable financial footing - thanks to the Thais and to Pearson - to build on. And it's possible for one manager to be great for a club, but for another manager to have to come in to build on that. Sorry, but that is simply not true. OK, so we had the period in administration, but after that we were in no worse a position than any other club in the second tier. However, a succession of managers from Levein to Holloway (probably leaving Adams out of it) brought in players, many of whom were simply useless, and then failed to train them properly. Allen, Megson and Holloway all enjoyed the same "advantages" as Pearson did on his first stint, and Sousa and Eriksson had even more advantages than Pearson did on his second time in charge. None of our managers since O'Neill, from Taylor to Eriksson, achieved anything like what Pearson has achieved: even when Micky Adams got us promoted, it was with the core players from O'Neill's time. If Pearson goes, now or in the coming close season, we will regret it for years to come. Simple as that.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Fvck the Guardian the hypocritical, tax-avoiding embarrassment I cried. You surely jest?
inckley fox Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Sorry, but that is simply not true. OK, so we had the period in administration, but after that we were in no worse a position than any other club in the second tier. However, a succession of managers from Levein to Holloway (probably leaving Adams out of it) brought in players, many of whom were simply useless, and then failed to train them properly. Allen, Megson and Holloway all enjoyed the same "advantages" as Pearson did on his first stint, and Sousa and Eriksson had even more advantages than Pearson did on his second time in charge. None of our managers since O'Neill, from Taylor to Eriksson, achieved anything like what Pearson has achieved: even when Micky Adams got us promoted, it was with the core players from O'Neill's time. If Pearson goes, now or in the coming close season, we will regret it for years to come. Simple as that. The post O'Neill managers have, in their careers elsewhere, achieved a Champions League runners-up medal, Serie A, three Portuguese titles, three Coppa Italias, the UEFA Cup (and two runners-up medals), an Israeli league title, a Hungarian cup, a Swedish league, six promotions from the second tier and ten promotions from other English leagues. We can't dismiss them all as 'simply useless' and fail to take into account the circumstances at the club. With us, Kelly met expectations - which were lower then, admittedly - and there were some significant achievements by Adams and, in his first six months, Eriksson too, as much as I feel it was better for him to be replaced by Pearson. Pearson coped far better with the limitations at the club than those did, but the side he inherited in 2008 was clearly of a far higher standard than other sides in that league (much like Adams' in 2002) and the one he inherited in 2011 was the most expensive side in this league, which he restructured with a further 30m loss on transfers. The limitations that Bassett, Adams, Levein and Kelly had on spending were far greater than that.
Monsell1976 Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Sorry, but that is simply not true. OK, so we had the period in administration, but after that we were in no worse a position than any other club in the second tier. However, a succession of managers from Levein to Holloway (probably leaving Adams out of it) brought in players, many of whom were simply useless, and then failed to train them properly. Allen, Megson and Holloway all enjoyed the same "advantages" as Pearson did on his first stint, and Sousa and Eriksson had even more advantages than Pearson did on his second time in charge. None of our managers since O'Neill, from Taylor to Eriksson, achieved anything like what Pearson has achieved: even when Micky Adams got us promoted, it was with the core players from O'Neill's time. If Pearson goes, now or in the coming close season, we will regret it for years to come. Simple as that. How do you know we will regret it, it's not as simple as that.Pearson might have us mid table next season, he could take us back up and then back down again. A new manager may take us up and keep us up, a new manager might have us mid table. Nobody knows what the future holds, but Pearson is not doing a good job at present, and the regrets will be from those who think he can do no wrong, and will do everything to defend his position here.
Babylon Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 and the one he inherited in 2011 was the most expensive side in this league, which he restructured with a further 30m loss on transfers. The most expensive shite in the league you mean, as proved since they all moved on. The league also had multiple ex premier league teams with more expensive players in their squads. A £30m loss on transfers? Really...
BlueJoe Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 How do you know we will regret it, it's not as simple as that. Pearson might have us mid table next season, he could take us back up and then back down again. A new manager may take us up and keep us up, a new manager might have us mid table. Nobody knows what the future holds, but Pearson is not doing a good job at present, and the regrets will be from those who think he can do no wrong, and will do everything to defend his position here. About time there was some sense spoken on here!!! I get the impression that because I want Pearson out everyone thinks I don't take into account where he got us to... When that's wrong. In fact I value where he got us too more as I want us to stay here
Guest Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 About time there was some sense spoken on here!!! I get the impression that because I want Pearson out everyone thinks I don't take into account where he got us to... When that's wrong. In fact I value where he got us too more as I want us to stay here By sense you mean agreeing with you rather than the traditional use of the word yes?
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 No, we will have proven that staying in the Premier league is difficult! Jon, we all knew it would be difficult, but this is Pearson's team, for which he is responsible, and the bulk of the players are what he brought in to do a good job for us. It so far, has been an unacceptable disaster. FOUR wins. As I said, if he can keep us up, which I strongly doubt, then he will have done well. If it's relegation, then he will have shown his naivety, and be justly dismissed. I hope he can keep us up, as we all do, but he has made it hard for himself, due to lack of his ability, and failure to come to grips with what it takes to manage at top level. Leicester City Forever .
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Why does it have to be as black and white as 'if we get relegated he's a proven waste of space'? Granted if we do go down the season will obviously be seen as a failure but why would that automatically make him a waste of space/terrible manager/completely out of his depth? We might get relegated by massively fine margins on goal difference on the last day of the season or something like that, you never know. I just don't see how it can be so black and white. I take your point, but FOUR wins!
Babylon Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 I take your point, but FOUR wins! How many others have four wins?
Happy Fox Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 How many others have four wins? Hull, Burnley and Sunderland.
Silverdaz Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Wow, two games!!! I'm completely wrong!!! I'm sorry!!! Leicester City fans are as fickle as you lot keep saying but only because you seem incapable of remembering the 12+ games we didn't get any points just because we got a few points over the Christmas period! The difference between us, Burnley, Hull and Sunderland is the fact we lose games and they draw them so don't sit there and say "we drew against Liverpool" its ****ing bullsh*t!!! As for Villa we beat a relegation rival at home... Well I'm glad I sent my hard earn cash to support my team that day!!! FUNDAMENTALLY we are a better team than 20th but when we play like we did against Palace at home we don't deserve to be in any other position and where else can I point the finger? The players? We have players on the bench that have had very good games for us but then have been dropped so why haven't others been dropped? The board/owners? They have written off £millions of debt are 100% financially committed to the cause The fans? I sing my lungs out each week, I pay my season ticket fees, I bought the shirts (all 3 this year) and I'm doing what I can So who else is there.................................................................................................................................................................................................................... You mean the game where we played very well in
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